Law Firm Milkrounds 20/21

SKLaw

Dropin wrote: »

Thank you. I suppose I probably wont get a training contract this year even if I finish in March, but I definitely wont if I don't.

I think i'm also just running scared from Company after hear the results from the last sitting haha.

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Oh I wouldn’t worry to much tbh I did it last March and found it very straightforward and the paper is quite repetitive. You always only hear about the people that were disappointed but I know and have heard a few that did well enough

I agree. As long as you prepare well enough and just give it your best, you’re gonna be okay. I approached it quite similarly as Contract. I went over the past paper and identified the topics first then checking it on the exam grid to see if I was right or not. I did this before answering any of the questions just so I knew how the topics were being asked

FE1Hopefully1

Aisbash wrote: »

On paper it does sound amazing I agree. I have a training contract with one of the big 5 and I am very lucky to be getting my Blackhall fees paid. Do keep in mind that the salary is reflective of the hours you will work. My bestfriend is a second year trainee in Arthur Cox and frequently goes into work on Saturdays(pre Covid) and will often still be working up until 12am. The work life balance can be non-existent depending on the department and when one works out the salary paid versus the hours actually worked it is not all that amazing. In contrast my sister trained in a very respected small litigation firm in Dublin and absolutely loved it. She was always home at 5/6 and worked on very interesting medical negligence high court cases (she is now qualified and working in this area in one of the big five). She loved training in Dublin and the work-life balance she had allowed her to really enjoy Dublin as a young professional. Her small-firm training did not prevent her from earning the same NQ salary as her big 5 trainee counterparts.

I am not bashing corporate firms, I love corporate law and this is the reason I applied to these firms, but I imagine it would be a tough few years training at those hours if I was not genuinely passionate about this area. Everyone's training experience will be different, but salary is not something I would advise comparing.

So don't be jealous or disheartened reading the figures posted here, I can assure you those trainees will be worked to the bone for that salary. To secure a training contract in this market is an achievement, regardless of the salary(providing it is enough to live off of course).

Oh no I’m perfectly happy with my small firm haha I have no interest in being worked to the bone like so many do and I’ve heard so many horror stories from William fry and the likes so I’m good 😂

Dropin

SKLaw wrote: »

I agree. As long as you prepare well enough and just give it your best, you’re gonna be okay. I approached it quite similarly as Contract. I went over the past paper and identified the topics first then checking it on the exam grid to see if I was right or not. I did this before answering any of the questions just so I knew how the topics were being asked

Much appreciated

jus_me

Has anyone heard from MJ Staines other than the POFs earlier in the week?

FE1Hopefully1

jus_me wrote: »

Has anyone heard from MJ Staines other than the POFs earlier in the week?

I haven’t heard of anyone with an interview yet

Lallers96

jus_me wrote: »

Has anyone heard from MJ Staines other than the POFs earlier in the week?

Again nothing yet. Getting a bit impatient now I won't lie. Really would've expected word by now, especially since they are opening their internships on Feb 1st

FE1Hopefully1

Lallers96 wrote: »

Again nothing yet. Getting a bit impatient now I won't lie. Really would've expected word by now, especially since they are opening their internships on Feb 1st

Yeah I find it odd that some people got the PFOs Monday and then nothing since then

FE1Nov20

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Yeah I find it odd that some people got the PFOs Monday and then nothing since then

Yeah I remember last year when I applied to their trainee programme I didn't hear anything back at all, not even a PFO, so hopefully that doesn't happen again

FE1Hopefully1

FE1Nov20 wrote: »

Yeah I remember last year when I applied to their trainee programme I didn't hear anything back at all, not even a PFO, so hopefully that doesn't happen again

Oh I got a PFO Monday afternoon

FE1Nov20

FE1Nov20 wrote: »

Yeah I remember last year when I applied to their trainee programme I didn't hear anything back at all, not even a PFO, so hopefully that doesn't happen again

I hate that I never heard from Fieldfisher... nor Shields Saldeir

FE1Hopefully1

Deleted User wrote: »

I hate that I never heard from Fieldfisher... nor Shields Saldeir

Same

IgoPAP

One of the nastiest things some firms do is that they don't even bother sending you a PFO, they just don't get back to you at all. Awful stuff. Most people would rather just be told than be put in permanent suspense.

FE1Hopefully1

IgoPAP wrote: »

One of the nastiest things some firms do is that they don't even bother sending you a PFO, they just don't get back to you at all. Awful stuff. Most people would rather just be told than be put in permanent suspense.

At least field fisher do say we will contact you if we are in a position to interview you

Corplawtrainee

Lol yeah..AMOSS sent me a PFO two weeks after the internship was over. Don’t know why firms even bother at that stage, not a good look.

Lallers96

FE1Nov20 wrote: »

Yeah I remember last year when I applied to their trainee programme I didn't hear anything back at all, not even a PFO, so hopefully that doesn't happen again

Ah seriously, I've got my hopes up for nothing. I would've thought a law firm would have some standards

law987

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Out of curiosity would anyone know how much Philip lee pay haha

25k for internship while you're being assessed for TC, and 30k once you get offered the TC

law987

Anyone know Eversheds trainee salary

LawBoy2018

law987 wrote: »

Anyone know Eversheds trainee salary

Lower than the top 5, I think it's like high 30s.

IgoPAP

Anybody have experience with Pinsent Masons?

NewFe1

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Lower than the top 5, I think it's like high 30s.

Have a friend in Eversheds and I'm fairly sure he told me it was 42k

LawBoy2018

NewFe1 wrote: »

Have a friend in Eversheds and I'm fairly sure he told me it was 42k

Nope, 38K. Asked my friend since posting earlier.

IgoPAP

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Nope, 38K. Asked my friend since posting earlier.

May have been reduced due to Covid paycuts

LawBoy2018

IgoPAP wrote: »

May have been reduced due to Covid paycuts

Hers was agreed when she signed her contract in 2018/2019.

biglawhead420

IgoPAP wrote: »

May have been reduced due to Covid paycuts

Any idea if big 5 cut trainee salaries too?

None of the UK firms did really. They sort of focused on over 80k earners and partners.

rightytighty

biglawhead420 wrote: »

Any idea if big 5 cut trainee salaries too?

None of the UK firms did really. They sort of focused on over 80k earners and partners.

I think some firms may have cut salaries/frozen bonuses for higher-ranking employees here too. I don’t remember hearing about any reductions for trainees in top 5 and would know people in 4 of them.

LawBoy2018

biglawhead420 wrote: »

Any idea if big 5 cut trainee salaries too?

None of the UK firms did really. They sort of focused on over 80k earners and partners.

Yeah they did in my firm but they've been restored again.

law987

Is most people's trainee salary agreed when they get their offer and sign the contract, even if it's 2/3 years until they start?

I've a TC and they're not committing to any salary, saying it's too early to say, especially with Covid. Don't want to say too high or too low, but it would be great to know.

FE1Hopefully1

law987 wrote: »

Is most people's trainee salary agreed when they get their offer and sign the contract, even if it's 2/3 years until they start?

I've a TC and they're not committing to any salary, saying it's too early to say, especially with Covid. Don't want to say too high or too low, but it would be great to know.

From my knowledge most are given the salary in the contract - I’m sure there’s a caveat to allow them to reduce it or increase it before the contract starts but usually people have an idea

LawBoy2018

law987 wrote: »

Is most people's trainee salary agreed when they get their offer and sign the contract, even if it's 2/3 years until they start?

I've a TC and they're not committing to any salary, saying it's too early to say, especially with Covid. Don't want to say too high or too low, but it would be great to know.

Not even a ballpark? It would be unusual for one to sign a training contract without being told what the salary will be.

law987

I know right! It wasn't a full contract, quite short and obviously conditional on passing FE1s. Rang and HR still couldn't commit. (not Eversheds btw)