Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Mr. Karate · 30-01-2021 08:44PM

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

The supermarket workers haven't the unions that the teachers have .
The supermarket workers are easily dispensable not like the gardai / nurses and other public sector workers .
But sure ..." We are all in this together ".

Shows you this "deadly virus" isn't all that deadly. I've been in the same shop for my groceries everyday for the last year and the workers haven't missed a day [minus their days off and vacation time obviously]

Ginger n Lemon · 30-01-2021 08:45PM

Arghus wrote: »

That was August.

There were a few cases here and there throughout the year, but after Christmas it went crazy. Every day there were more people out who had it and then there was even more out as close contacts at the same time.

It was a scary time for a lot of people who were worried about bringing it home to parents and grandparents.

Fair play to you for having a laugh about it.

I see you have 0 ability answering questions.

Pity.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-01-2021 08:46PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Shows you this "deadly virus" isn't all that deadly. I've been in the same shop for my groceries everyday for the last year and the workers haven't missed a day [minus their days off and vacation time obviously]

Me too.

Arghus · 30-01-2021 08:47PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s a big supermarket that would have 100 customer facing employees

A big store would have over 150-200 employees in most cases across all departments.

Unless you're one of the tiny percentage who work exclusively behind the scenes everyone does a bit of being customer facing or at least working where you'll be in close proximity with the public at some stage of your day.

Kunta Kinte · 30-01-2021 08:47PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I didn't think there was anyone on this thread who's a 'let 'or rip' advocate. Turns out, that's false.

And yet some on this thread have continually claimed that no one wants to let the virus rip. This poster must only be a figment of our imaginations then.:rolleyes:

snowcat · 30-01-2021 08:49PM

Arghus wrote: »

A big store would have over 150-200 employees in most cases across all departments.

Unless you're one of the tiny percentage who work exclusively behind the scenes everyone does a bit of being customer facing or at least working where you'll be in close proximity with the public at some stage of your day.

So which one had the major outbreak of Covid? Please let us know

hynesie08 · 30-01-2021 08:51PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Shows you this "deadly virus" isn't all that deadly. I've been in the same shop for my groceries everyday for the last year and the workers haven't missed a day [minus their days off and vacation time obviously]

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Me too.

Who goes shopping everyday? Do staff not get days off where you live?

Arghus · 30-01-2021 08:53PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I see you have 0 ability answering questions.

Pity.

I'm not going to share every single last detail with you about myself, come on. Do you want my employee number and my Co-worker's names as well?

I've said the type of job I do. I'm not going to give any further information than that.

Zero answering ability? I've clearly said that the bulk of the cases happened since the turn of the year.

Do you skim over posts and not actually take them in or something? You have a tendency to ask questions that have already been answered or talk about points that were never in the posts in question. It's bizarre.

Penfailed · 30-01-2021 08:57PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

A whole generation is going to be lost to unemployment poverty homelessness depression alcohol drugs crime and suicide.

There may be a few people affected by the above...but a whole generation? Nah. To suggest as much is hysteria.

snowcat · 30-01-2021 08:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'm not going to share every single last detail with you about myself, come on. Do you want my employee number and my Co-worker's names as well?

I've said the type of job I do. I'm not going to give any further information than that.

Zero answering ability? I've clearly said that the bulk of the cases happened since the turn of the year.

Do you skim over posts and not actually take them in or something? You have a tendency to ask questions that have already been answered or talk about points that were never in the posts in question. It's bizarre.

There is 4 main retailers in Ireland. I dont think we will track you down if you give a hint as to which one had this Covid outbreak that escaped the feverous media.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-01-2021 08:59PM

snowcat wrote: »

There is 4 main retailers in Ireland. I dont think we will track you down if you give a hint as to which one had this Covid outbreak that escaped the feverous media.

OP is watching 6.01 every day.

As you can see it makes people very afraid, of everything.

Graham · 30-01-2021 09:06PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

OP is watching 6.01 every day.

As you can see it makes people very afraid, of everything.

As oppose to Q Anon?

Arghus · 30-01-2021 09:07PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

OP is watching 6.01 every day.

As you can see it makes people very afraid, of everything.

You don't have to believe me, but considering I know what I'm claiming of is completely true and I've first hand experience, your opinion is irrelevant.

I understand it's a lot more gratifying to presume I'm lying.

Penfailed · 30-01-2021 09:08PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

OP is watching 6.01 every day.

As you can see it makes people very afraid, of everything.

These type of posts that you are so fond of, do absolutely nothing to further your position.

JRant · 30-01-2021 09:13PM

Good article by Fergal Bowers today

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0129/1193911-covid19-fergal-bowers-analysis/

Calls out a couple of keys points.
1: you can't have an indefinite lockdown with no end date in sight
2: It seems that nobody is really responsible for the vaccine rollout, which is a receipe for disaster

It's a fairly balanced piece, which in fairness to Bowers he is one of the more sensible people reporting on this.

Mr. Karate · 30-01-2021 09:18PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Who goes shopping everyday? Do staff not get days off where you live?

[minus their days off and vacation time obviously] What part of that quote did you not get?

This might come as a shock to you, but these tinpot dictators in the Dail didn't leave us with many places to go. The Supermarket is the only place to go for some sign of life.

snowcat · 30-01-2021 09:22PM

Arghus wrote: »

You don't have to believe me, but considering I know what I'm claiming of is completely true and I've first hand experience, your opinion is irrelevant.

I understand it's a lot more gratifying to presume I'm lying.

My opinion is no more irrelevant than yours. I have had first hand experience of Covid as well. I have no doubt your claim is true. What i have issue with is where your collegues contracted Covid. I have stood in a queue at Dunnes Stores listening to check out girls in their 20's (more than likely students) discussing parties they have been at and are going to. It is much more likely that Covid is contracted outside work than in work.

growleaves · 30-01-2021 09:26PM

JRant · 30-01-2021 09:27PM

Penfailed wrote: »

There may be a few people affected by the above...but a whole generation? Nah. To suggest as much is hysteria.

While I don't think it's going to last a generation or anything of the sort we have a huge problem with unemployment in our youth. This is going to need to be addressed as a priority for the government once we come out of hiding.

Graham · 30-01-2021 09:28PM

growleaves wrote: »

Protest in Vienna

a fortnight ago

Arghus · 30-01-2021 09:30PM

snowcat wrote: »

My opinion is no more irrelevant than yours. I have had first hand experience of Covid as well. I have no doubt your claim is true. What i have issue with is where your collegues contracted Covid. I have stood in a queue at Dunnes Stores listening to check out girls in their 20's (more than likely students) discussing parties they have been at and are going to. It is much more likely that Covid is contracted outside work than in work.

Most people have contracted it outside of work, that is true, but there's been a couple of cases where people have picked it up off each other in work- not the majority of cases, but it has happened.

snowcat · 30-01-2021 09:36PM

Arghus wrote: »

Most people have contracted it outside of work, that is true, but there's been a couple of cases where people have picked it up off each other in work- not the majority of cases, but it has happened.

So no one has picked it up from a member of the public? That you know of? So it is community transmission outside of the workplace. OK then

Mr. Karate · 30-01-2021 09:41PM

JRant wrote: »

Good article by Fergal Bowers today

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0129/1193911-covid19-fergal-bowers-analysis/

Calls out a couple of keys points.
1: you can't have an indefinite lockdown with no end date in sight
2: It seems that nobody is really responsible for the vaccine rollout, which is a receipe for disaster

It's a fairly balanced piece, which in fairness to Bowers he is one of the more sensible people reporting on this.

Very good article. Its amazing RTE allowed it on there website.

I'm glad he brought up the lack of daily number of those vaccinated. They have figures of cases and who died with it everyday, but its like getting blood from a stone to find out how many have been vaccinated.

Kunta Kinte · 30-01-2021 09:44PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

[minus their days off and vacation time obviously] What part of that quote did you not get?

This might come as a shock to you, but these tinpot dictators in the Dail didn't leave us with many places to go. The Supermarket is the only place to go for some sign of life.

Tin pot dictators eh? Hmmmmm .............

Arghus · 30-01-2021 09:50PM

snowcat wrote: »

So no one has picked it up from a member of the public? That you know of? So it is community transmission outside of the workplace. OK then

I don't know that for certain either way.

I would say the risk posed by the staff to the general public is much higher.

But the staff are picking it up somewhere. Obviously a lot of them pick it up quite straightforwardly - they went to a party and someone had it or they live with someone who got it - but there's also those who pick it up who've no clue where it might have happened and they aren't really doing anything aside from going to work. It's very hard to say in many cases where the initial infection came from.

growleaves · 30-01-2021 09:54PM

Anti-lockdown protests erupt in Lebanon as the unemployed clash with security forces.

A cabdriver set himself and his car on fire earlier in the month, making him the second cabdriver and third Lebanese citizen to set himself alight in the past 10 months over economic conditions.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-01-2021 09:55PM

Arghus wrote: »

You don't have to believe me, but considering I know what I'm claiming of is completely true and I've first hand experience, your opinion is irrelevant.

I understand it's a lot more gratifying to presume I'm lying.

Well well.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-01-2021 09:56PM

growleaves wrote: »

Anti-lockdown protests erupt in Lebanon as the unemployed clash with security forces.

Protests all over the world, not just Europe.

Ehhh.

Cant wait to be called some sort of riot supporter... in 4 . 3 . 2 . :pac:

Arghus · 30-01-2021 10:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Well well.

The facts exist independently of your opinion and your opinion is not going to change those facts.

You think that I am lying. I know that I am not. So whether you believe me or not doesn't really matter in this case I'm afraid.

growleaves · 30-01-2021 10:02PM

The validity of lockdown debated at the Cambridge Union

Cambridge students voted by 362 votes to 309 to approve the motion, “this House believes lockdown was a mistake” yesterday (Thursday, January 28).

Getting the proceedings under way was Sir Graham Brady, who said that The Lancet medical journal reported on December 23 that, looking at the second lockdown, "it remains unclear how effective tier restrictions were in reducing transmission and what additional reduction in transmission might have been accomplished by the second lockdown."

"We can see the efficacy of lockdowns is unclear," suggested Sir Graham, "certainly rates had started to fall before schools were closed earlier this month, or indeed last March."

He said: "We know that rates of transmission can fall without lockdown and can rise whilst restrictions are in place," adding: "While some degree of restriction does, I'm sure, impact transmission, it remains, as The Lancet report says, unclear whether lockdown has any particular beneficial impact."

Sir Graham mentioned, among other things, the 800,000 people who have lost their jobs since March, those who may have no job to return to when furlough comes to an end, and "the growing number" of people who are taking their own lives.

Sir Graham also spoke of the "hideous toll" on children and young people, the "three-fold increase" in the reporting of eating disorders, and the NSPCC reporting a 43 per cent increase in referrals for child abuse.

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