Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

froog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Still doesn’t prove non essential closing has had any effect.

Or stay at home orders

People don’t socialise as much in January

The cases numbers likely would have decayed naturally

Fintan you think buildings are permanently infected with covid. Forgive me for not taking a single thing you say seriously.

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Still doesn’t prove non essential closing has had any effect.

Or stay at home orders

Declining cases, hospitalisations and deaths are pretty good indicators

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People don’t socialise as much in January

Pretty much no socialisation this January, hence the reducing numbers.

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

Fintan you think buildings are permanently infected with covid. Forgive me for not taking a single thing you say seriously.

I remember you making that claim before alright.

You do happen to excrete a lot of tripe in your postings

Kunta Kinte

Lundstram wrote: »

No problem, Kunta. Just for you. :cool:

I can hardly contain my excitement .:rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Still doesn’t prove non essential closing has had any effect.

Or stay at home orders

People don’t socialise as much in January

The cases numbers likely would have decayed naturally

3 times now increased restrictions has very quickly resulted in lower case, but oh no, it’s the natural January lull, FFS. In May it was because we had reached herd immunity. Thankfully vaccines will mean there will unlikely be a forth test case, but if there wasn’t, I wonder what the excuse would be then

Samsonsmasher

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Out sick? The majority of people have no symptoms and the majority of those who do have symptoms simply have flu symptoms and get better same as every other flu season.

Sadly for some it means death and they are old and sick already.

We have to accept reality accept a higher mortality rate going forward and get back to normal.

Condemning young fit and healthy people in the prime of their life to house imprisonment destroying their chance to get an education work make money socialise have romantic relationships and enjoy their youth is utter insanity.

A whole generation is going to be lost to unemployment poverty homelessness depression alcohol drugs crime and suicide.

And those who see a rationale for restrictions are accused of hysteria

snowcat

Qwertyminger wrote: »

Five of the people I personally know who tested positive work in retail settings. 3 in December and January.

All my local retail staff have not changed in the last year. Despite working in an indoor environment with no windows open and maskless up to August this year. Complete mix of customers including the high risk age groups. I asked one lady how it was going and she said everyone was ok but they had no choice but to work. Yet teachers cannot attend classes with kids that are known to be low risk spreaders. If retail workers acted the same way as teachers there would be food shortages and anarchy.

Ashleigh1986

Silentcorner wrote: »

And yet, super market workers, the people who have been on a front line since the start of this thing, aren't getting sick! Go figure!

The supermarket workers haven't the unions that the teachers have .
The supermarket workers are easily dispensable not like the gardai / nurses and other public sector workers .
But sure ..." We are all in this together ".

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

3 times now increased restrictions has very quickly resulted in lower case, but oh no, it’s the natural January lull, FFS. In May it was because we had reached herd immunity. Thankfully vaccines will mean there will unlikely be a forth test case, but if there wasn’t, I wonder what the excuse would be then

fintan thinks peoples behaviors change in response to the virus independently and at the exact same time as further restrictions are introduced. he literally cannot link the two things together. it is completely beyond him.

Penfailed

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

It's moot.

We need to open up because we need to get the economy going to save businesses jobs and educate children and young people or we won't have a country left.

We cannot keep locking down and opening up.
Life is not worth living if we have to shut down all social activity wear masks and socially distance or remain prisoners in our own homes.
We have to throw away the masks and get back to normal and stop living in fear.

The vaccine roll out is too slow and utterly pointless since 99.97% of the population don't need it.

I didn't think there was anyone on this thread who's a 'let 'er rip' advocate. Turns out, that's false.

almostover

Silentcorner wrote: »

And yet, super market workers, the people who have been on a front line since the start of this thing, aren't getting sick! Go figure!

My GFs cousin works in Dunnes and he got COVID over xmas from work. Thankfully he wasnt very sick and he managed to not transmit it to his mother who has 1 kidney and diabetes. Go figure!

snowcat

Penfailed wrote: »

I didn't think there was anyone on this thread who's a 'let 'or rip' advocate. Turns out, that's false.

On a side note it looks like the 'let it rip' has worked in India as they have herd immunity and it has largely gone under the radar without massive increase in mortality. They are opening up nearly fully at the moment

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210129/herd-immunity-in-sight-for-indias-capitol

Ginger n Lemon

almostover wrote: »

My GFs cousin works in Dunnes and he got COVID over xmas from work. Thankfully he wasnt very sick and he managed to not transmit it to his mother who has 1 kidney and diabetes. Go figure!

What does that even mean?

No symptoms?

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

fintan thinks peoples behaviors change in response to the virus independently and at the exact same time as further restrictions are introduced. he literally cannot link the two things together. it is completely beyond him.

Not without proof I can’t.

I’m still amazed at the approach some are taking with trying to imply stupidity to those who are asking for actual proof that stay at home measures and business closures are cost effective.

I’m really amazed in fact, as one group here has a very remedial understanding of maths, but try to infer stupidity to those who ask for proof like above

Amusing stuff

Arghus

Silentcorner wrote: »

And yet, super market workers, the people who have been on a front line since the start of this thing, aren't getting sick! Go figure!

Yes they are. I work in one.

About 10-15% of where I work was out out with it at one stage.

Ginger n Lemon

snowcat wrote: »

On a side note it looks like the 'let it rip' has worked in India as they have herd immunity and it has largely gone under the radar without massive increase in mortality. They are opening up nearly fully at the moment

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210129/herd-immunity-in-sight-for-indias-capitol

Posters here will be after you like a rash.

Are you brave enough to suggest that let it rip and get herd immunity perhaps is - working? :cool:

almostover

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What does that even mean?

No symptoms?

He had a fever for a few days, was fatigued and lost his sense of taste and smell. Was lucky. A gentleman back at my home place passed away from COVID yesterday after 2 weeks on a ventilator. He was 70, no underlying conditions. A young man in my eyes. 1 year older than my old fella. How, almost 1 year into this do people still not realise the gravity of this pandemic?

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Not without proof I can’t.

I’m still amazed at the approach some are taking with trying to imply stupidity to those who are asking for actual proof that stay at home measures and business closures are cost effective.

I’m really amazed in fact, as one group here has a very remedial understanding of maths, but try to infer stupidity to those who ask for proof like above

Amusing stuff

There is a group who offer remedial understanding alright.

Ginger n Lemon

Arghus wrote: »

Yes they are. I work in one.

About 10-15% of where I work was out out with it at one stage.

Arghus you gotta say if its Aldi Lidl or Tescos...

back in August all supermarkets came out and said that out of their thousands + workforce only 20 got covid. (think it was 40, 40, "few" out of 22,000 workers)

Graham

snowcat wrote: »

On a side note it looks like the 'let it rip' has worked in India as they have herd immunity and it has largely gone under the radar without massive increase in mortality. They are opening up nearly fully at the moment

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210129/herd-immunity-in-sight-for-indias-capitol

apparently not

India is nowhere close to achieving "herd immunity" against Covid-19 despite a few pockets in Delhi, Mumbai and Pune reporting 50-60% of people’s exposure to the novel coronavirus, necessitating continuation of the vaccination programme.

Sources in the Indian Council of Medical Research told DH that its third nation-wide sero-survey found less than 25% of India’s population was exposed to the SARS-CoV-2. The agency is yet to make the survey results public.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/national/india-nowhere-close-to-achieving-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-944491.html

froog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Not without proof I can’t.

I’m still amazed at the approach some are taking with trying to imply stupidity to those who are asking for actual proof that stay at home measures and business closures are cost effective.

I’m really amazed in fact, as one group here has a very remedial understanding of maths, but try to infer stupidity to those who ask for proof like above

Amusing stuff

who's arguing lockdowns are cost effective? what does that even mean?

hynesie08

snowcat wrote: »

On a side note it looks like the 'let it rip' has worked in India as they have herd immunity and it has largely gone under the radar without massive increase in mortality. They are opening up nearly fully at the moment

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210129/herd-immunity-in-sight-for-indias-capitol

That's Delhi, which is only 2% of the population.

There's also no information on testing procedures or anything else.

Be like saying ireland should open up because achill island has less cases.

Ginger n Lemon

Graham wrote: »

apparently not



Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/national/india-nowhere-close-to-achieving-herd-immunity-against-covid-19-944491.html

Is Deccan Herald equivalent of Irish times?

hynesie08

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Arghus you gotta say if its Aldi Lidl or Tescos...

back in August all supermarkets came out and said that out of their thousands + workforce only 20 got covid. (think it was 40, 40, "few" out of 22,000 workers)

What was the frequency and % of their testing? Private or public?

Ginger n Lemon

hynesie08 wrote: »

What was the frequency and % of their testing? Private or public?

One would think if someone had symptoms they wouldve tested. If they tested positive they woudlve made the 40+40+"few" out of 22,000


Fact remains - non existent. And there were no masks in March to June also...

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

Yes they are. I work in one.

About 10-15% of where I work was out out with it at one stage.

It’s a big supermarket that would have 100 customer facing employees

hynesie08

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

One would think if someone had symptoms they wouldve tested. If they tested positive they woudlve made the 40+40+"few" out of 22,000


Fact remains - non existent. And there were no masks in March to June also...

Assuming of course they told their employer, or took the day off to get tested.

It's far from a fact.

Penfailed

Lundstram wrote: »

Getting a haircut at 8 from young apprentice barber up the road. I can't wait.

And no, I won't feel an ounce of guilt. Chap will get €20 for his troubles.

Hope no one dies.

That's a steep price for a haircut. Is there a danger money surcharge?

Arghus

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Arghus you gotta say if its Aldi Lidl or Tescos...

back in August all supermarkets came out and said that out of their thousands + workforce only 20 got covid. (think it was 40, 40, "few" out of 22,000 workers)

That was August.

There were a few cases here and there throughout the year, but after Christmas it went crazy. Every day there were more people out who had it and then there was even more out as close contacts at the same time.

It was a scary time for a lot of people who were worried about bringing it home to parents and grandparents.

Fair play to you for having a laugh about it.

end of the road

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve been waiting for a poster to make such an admission.

It’s incredibly truthful, we don’t know how many lives were saved.

It’s likely that basic mitigation measures like social distancing, mask wearing and improvements in hygiene are the most cost effective at saving lives and not having the disadvantage of massive sunk costs.

Ireland’s approach of implementing Europe’s longest lockdown last year is hard to defend for its cost effectiveness.

Even now, construction closure until Summer is a measure that is difficult to defend.

it's by miles much easier to defend in terms of cost effectiveness then the open up strategy.
health system still operating, major/high contributers to the economy all still going.
stay open brings us, eventually a collapsed health system which has knock on effects, more people sick which will actually effect the high contributers to the economy, and certainly more deaths.

ypres5 wrote: »

or maybe old buddy there's more to be taken into consideration when running a country than what the covid numbers are on the evening news and there should be a balancing act between having protective measures and making sure the economy isn't beat to ****.

there already is such a balancing act, that is what our and nearly every other country's approach is.
a balancing act was never going to be keep non-essential stuff that requires labour intensive operation and large footfall to be viable, open during a pandemic.

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're right.

The flu is very unpleasant.

Most people who catch Covid don't even know they have it.

yeah, yeah.
covid is still not flue.