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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    A pal of mine who trained with McGregor in the early days said to me that Conor always struggled getting to 145 however he also struggled to put weight on (obviously without resorting to pizza and beer) Claimed the walking around weight was about 165.

    People here always saying he looks huge etc bit don't forget, he's not exactly tall


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Homelander wrote: »
    I wonder would McGregor ever go back to FW. That would be where he can shine best - great punching power, good reach.

    It's not as if tonnes of other fighters don't cut like he did.

    At LW he just doesn't have the natural size of fighters like Porier and has to kinda bulk up to get there, Dustin has a way more solid core and leaner physique and is still heavier in the octagon on fight night.

    It's not as if the extra muscle gives Conor much extra power either. It's like he's in a weird place between 145 and 155.

    If he had really got on top of his nutrition a few years ago he probably could have stayed there at 145. I'm not sure it would be the best move now though with all that extra muscle.

    As you said, hes kind of inbetween weight classes at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    He's never really had to bulk up for LW, considering he used to weigh around 170. He's probably mid 170's now, which is probably what a lot of LW's walk around at. There will of course be the few that cut a larger chunk of weight to get an advantage over the others, Khabib being a prime example.

    Yeah I do get that, but it's kinda my point also.

    LW is closer to his actual natural weight, whereas a lot of other guys at LW are cutting huge amounts of weight for weigh-in and are just naturally bigger guys than he is, leaner and better cores.

    A lot of guys at LW have the advantage he had at FW, whereas Conor is fighting at a more normalised weight class.

    Don't get me wrong, there are tons like him I agree.

    Khabib's a great example of someone who dominates LW with brutal cuts, but would probably find it far more difficult to compete at WW even if it is is more natural weight class for him.

    It's very interesting to see fighters who move up and down weight classes and find their grove. It's incredible the amount of fighters who move down thinking they'll dominate only to find the exact opposite, and of course the opposite as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,935 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Homelander wrote: »
    Yeah I do get that, but it's kinda my point also.

    LW is closer to his actual natural weight, whereas a lot of other guys at LW are cutting huge amounts of weight for weigh-in and are just naturally bigger guys than he is, leaner and better cores.

    A lot of guys at LW have the advantage he had at FW, whereas Conor is fighting at a more normalised weight class.

    Don't get me wrong, there are tons like him I agree.

    Khabib's a great example of someone who dominates LW with brutal cuts, but would probably find it far more difficult to compete at WW even if it is is more natural weight class for him.

    It's very interesting to see fighters who move up and down weight classes and find their grove. It's incredible the amount of fighters who move down thinking they'll dominate only to find the exact opposite, and of course the opposite as well.

    Spot on here,
    Foghters can be very lucky a be to big for one weight amd to small for another,Cowboy, Diaz, RDA come to mind

    Conor's early days he was a lucky one as he was a monster at Featherweight and it helped him no end but age just made that to difficult

    Then Jon Jones had it the other way where he somehow manged to have a heavy weight frame and lenght but makes LHW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Spot on here,
    Foghters can be very lucky a be to big for one weight amd to small for another,Cowboy, Diaz, RDA come to mind

    Conor's early days he was a lucky one as he was a monster at Featherweight and it helped him no end but age just made that to difficult

    Then Jon Jones had it the other way where he somehow manged to have a heavy weight frame and lenght but makes LHW
    That's cause Jones has little chicken legs, helped keep him in the LHW class.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    That's cause Jones has little chicken legs, helped keep him in the LHW class.

    Exactly. He's not just called bones because it rhymes.

    Cody Garbrandt and Gaethje are two that apparently cut very little weight. Most flyweights weigh in on fight night heavier than Cody does at BW. Frankie was brought up early too, he looked tiny fighting Aldo.

    I think people are jumping the gun saying Conor doesn't belong at LW. 3 fights there.
    One sensational performance against the then champ. A good performance against Khabib (in comparison to Khabib's other fights). And won the first round vs Dustin. At FW it was all first or second round KOs, besides Max and his granite head. Just because he's not flattening everyone he fights at LW, doesn't mean he doesn't belong there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    walshb wrote: »
    Take three lads....

    Dustin/Conor and Khabib....

    They are all very similarly sized and built....

    They belong 155-165 type fighter range.....

    Khabib does cut a lot, but Conor and Dustin need to as well...

    I suppose, in a nutshell, juts because one man fights in a heavier weight class than other does not always mean he is naturally bigger

    Khabib and Masvidal, for example: Nobody is telling me that Masvidal is naturally bigger.....both are very close/similar

    Conor Fought at 145 and 155
    Dustin at 145 and 155
    Khabib at 155 and 170
    Masvidal at 155 and 170

    They may all have been in the 155 at one point. But Conor is top of his range there, where at Khabib and Masvidal are at the bottom on their range there.

    Khabib at 155 is the same as Conor at 145. Cutting the most they can and maximizing their size.

    walshb wrote: »
    I am aware that most is water

    But is 20 or so lbs of water really needed in 30 hours?

    Dustin's alleged 28 lbs gain seems a bit ridiculous.....had to be gorging for the sake of it..

    If the 28 pounds was mostly the water he cut. Then it's not gorging for the sake of it. It's rehydrating to this normal weight.
    Any less, and he'd be fighting dehydrated.

    walshb wrote: »
    I know personally that I was probably 60-40 water to food weight gain..
    You were probably cutting very little water, relatively. The more you cut, the more the water ratio goes up. The food element is going to be pretty static, as they refuel after the cut.


  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    UFC / McGregor comment in the times

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/money-talks-as-espn-and-ufc-still-cling-to-toxic-conor-mcgregor-brand-1.4469180

    Money talks as ESPN and UFC still cling to toxic Conor McGregor brand


    During the build-up to Conor McGregor’s defeat by Dustin Poirier last week, ESPN did its utmost to convince those interested in buying the bout on its pay-per-view platform that the Dubliner was still a man to root for. Aside from nauseating soft-ball interviews, Ariel Helwani, the network’s go-to UFC guy, also described him on another show as “a beacon of light” to the Irish people during the pandemic, an individual dramatically changed by fatherhood. The hard sell of a desperate outfit that has gambled $1.5bn on broadcast rights to the sport. The same old false narrative.

    McGregor’s first child was born in May, 2017. Since that landmark event, he has violently attacked a bus full of fellow fighters in Brooklyn, smashed up the mobile phone of a fan outside a hotel in Miami, and punched an old man in the face for refusing a complimentary glass of his gut-rot whiskey. Those civil lawsuits filed in Dublin last week, the ones reported on in such troubling, lurid detail by the New York Times (taking full advantage of America’s less restrictive libel laws), they stem from an incident in 2018. Parenting really did seem to transform him alright.

    This kind of shameless guff has been a problem with McGregor and the American media since Fox Sports (then owners of the television rights to the octagon) laughably tried to style him the Irish Muhammad Ali. One fought for civil rights, the other is repeatedly read his Miranda rights.

    With too much to lose if even a smidgen of the allegations against him are true, those with a stake in UFC continue to promulgate the myth of the noble, working-class warrior made good, the sharply-dressed version of Notre Dame’s fighting leprechaun made flesh, the darling of all Ireland. Two decades ago, ESPN covered Barry Bonds’ chemically-enhanced assault on baseball’s records book as if the only juice he ever took was with his breakfast in the morning. They have previous for this kind of convenient commercial ignorance.

    McGregor is no slouch in trying to control the story either. When he appeared on the Jimmy Fallon Show from Paddy Reilly’s pub in Manhattan a while back, eagle-eyed viewers might have spotted a well-dressed, middle-aged woman lurking in the background. No ordinary customer. That was Karen J Kessler, the leading celebrity crisis manager in America. Initially drafted into the camp following his arrest in Brooklyn, you may have seen her name featuring in his rather corporate response to his most recent legal troubles in Dublin.

    Damage control
    When you have the most renowned damage control expert in Hollywood on retainer, this may be a sign you have more in common with Johnny Depp than Johnny Sexton. It is also an indicator of a willingness to throw serious money at trying to protect your brand and an awareness of the misbehaviour that requires you to do so. Even if his days as an elite mixed martial artist look numbered, his ability to cash in on his fame remains very much intact, at least until his myopic, sophomoric fan base finally (if ever) take notice of the gravity of the recurring accusations against him.

    For now, the Maclifers remain so committed to the cult that AugustMcGregor, his clothing brand, can somehow charge $104 for a hooded sweatshirt bearing an image of his distinctive ring walk called “Billionaire Strut”. Just $20 more gets you “The Whoop Ass” embroidered hoodie. Those wanting to train like their “hero” can also purchase the McGregor FAST app for $99 and soon will be able to splurge on branded protein from that outfit too. And these ancillary enterprises are dwarfed by the immense commercial potential of Proper 12.

    All of this explains why so many inexplicably remain in McGregor’s corner when the decent thing to do would be to walk, no, run away. It’s all about money. Always. Dana White has been so tolerant of the, ahem, “incidents” in various countries because UFC doesn’t have anybody else capable of working the talk show circuit, whipping up interest beyond the hardcore support, a necessity for the sport to grow.

    Pay-per-view
    White knows too that the casual fans will just as easily spend their pay-per-view dollars watching the Irishman don gloves to fight an over the hill Manny Pacquiao or any of the random YouTubers currently polluting boxing rings. These freakshows sell well, his bout with Mayweather drew three times as many buys as his loss to Poirier, and McGregor’s disgusting, extra-curricular antics fit right in with that sordid, ever-expanding corner of the warped sports entertainment universe.

    We may also have reached a frightening point as a society where delinquency no longer impacts on popularity or marketability. Mike Tyson, the convicted rapist, became the star of a warm-hearted animated television series in which he solves mysteries a la Scooby Doo. Seventy-four million Americans recently tried to re-elect a president who boasted of sexually assaulting women. Against that background, it’s hardly surprising that plenty are still willing to follow McGregor no matter the noxious trail he constantly leaves in his wake.

    “Fame requires every kind of excess,” wrote Don DeLillo in his novel, Great Jones Street. “I mean true fame… this special kind, feeds itself on outrage, on what the counsellors of lesser men would consider bad publicity-hysteria in limousines, knife fights in the audience, bizarre litigation, treachery, pandemonium….”

    DeLillo came up with that almost 50 years ago. Saw this coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,868 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    All that article shows is what we already know. The erosion of standards!


  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    The hypocrisy from White is hilarious tbh

    And how long is it since Helwani had any credibility?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,868 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I was reading Bisping's take on Conor

    Kind of on the money....

    Inactivity not all that good an excuse.....the gas engine rearing its ugly head again

    Conor just doesn't like, or react well to in close wrestling. It seems to take a lot out of him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    walshb wrote: »
    I was reading Bisping's take on Conor

    Kind of on the money....

    Inactivity not all that good an excuse.....the gas engine rearing its ugly head again

    Conor just doesn't like, or react well to in close wrestling. It seems to take a lot out of him


    It wasn't the gas engine, few seconds before he got stopped, he threw a few punches and arms didn't seem heavy and didn't have his 'gassed out' face on. His leg was hurt, poirier noticed, then he wilted when poirier started punching him. Instead of trying to fight through it or fighting back, he just gave up and before he was on the canvas he had already quit.


    I blame his coaches and sparring partners who are not pushing him enough. Why no clips in the lead up this time, remember when training for Diaz 2 there was loads of sparring clips out, because he was training and sparring hard. All he got out this time was a 3 second clip of landing a few punches, not even sparring inside an octagon. It seems their approach is spar as light as possible, which is understandable, but the guy is barely fighting once a year, he has to spar hard or will be a shock to him when someone trying to take him out in a fight. He clearly had no idea what to do when his leg got hurt, and when he was backed up against the cage. How was he not prepared for either of those circumstances is just unbelievable. Max holloway (who also got his leg destroyed by volkanovski early and got through 5 rounds) can get away with light or no sparring as he has been in so many 5 round wars and fighting much more often.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,868 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    spix wrote: »
    It wasn't the gas engine, few seconds before he got stopped, he threw a few punches and arms didn't seem heavy and didn't have his 'gassed out' face on. His leg was hurt, poirier noticed, then he wilted when poirier started punching him. Instead of trying to fight through it or fighting back, he just gave up and before he was on the canvas he had already quit.


    .

    Yes, it did seem like he simply gave up.

    But he also looked spent....very tired....

    So, Bisping I think is spot on

    Round 1 was intense enough

    And folks have mentioned that Dustin seemed to be just as tired

    But, stamina and conditioning also involves one's ability to get your second wind and recover from a tough exertion. Dustin seemed to recover well.

    Conor I don't think recovered enough from round 1....and then round 2 began and the tank was suffering...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, it did seem like he simply gave up.

    But he also looked spent....very tired....

    So, Bisping I think is spot on

    Round 1 was intense enough

    And folks have mentioned that Dustin seemed to be just as tired

    But, stamina and conditioning also involves one's ability to get your second wind and recover from a tough exertion. Dustin seemed to recover well.

    Conor I don't think recovered enough from round 1....and then round 2 began and the tank was suffering...


    By Conors standards, he looked very good end of round 1. He was fine endurance wise. 15 seconds before he was stopped he didn't seem any different than the start of the round. Then Poirier landed a kick/punch and saw Conor didn't like that and went after him. Bisping is wrong. Firas Zahabi is right, it was his heart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,868 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    spix wrote: »
    By Conors standards, he looked very good end of round 1. He was fine endurance wise. 15 seconds before he was stopped he didn't seem any different than the start of the round. Then Poirier landed a kick/punch and saw Conor didn't like that and went after him. Bisping is wrong. Firas Zahabi is right, it was his heart.

    Yes, Firas is right. I read that as well

    I think Bisping was a mix of the two really...stamina and heart

    I thought he folded very easily....

    Yes, easy saying that sitting on a couch, but that is the way it looked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, Firas is right. I read that as well

    I think Bisping was a mix of the two really...stamina and heart

    I thought he folded very easily....

    Yes, easy saying that sitting on a couch, but that is the way it looked.


    Its the truth and his coaches already playing along with the 'dead leg' game is a bit sad.. Coach kavanagh saying he had drop foot on Ariel is completely wrong. Not once did his ankle roll or anything like that. His leg was in pain, his face was getting punched, he quit. If they continue to just pretend they can try defend leg kicks better and win rematch, they have a shock coming. Poirier will have something else too, and it will end up the same, Conor in a situation he isn't prepared for. They need to be honest with him that he quit in there and get back to sparring hard so hes ready for a real fight. Thats if they even really want to win. Conor and his coaches may all be just there to compete and earn money, and are ok with him quitting and avoiding damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Defending those kicks would require a complete shift in his style tbh. Checking a low kick from a wide stance would knock you off balance. The other side of the coin is normally you could eat way more low kicks than were landed but the accuracy from Dustin was phenomenal and credit to him for that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Defending those kicks would require a complete shift in his style tbh. Checking a low kick from a wide stance would knock you off balance. The other side of the coin is normally you could eat way more low kicks than were landed but the accuracy from Dustin was phenomenal and credit to him for that


    Doesn't have to defend them per say. Could just find a way to put Dustin off them. Making sure he pays every time he throws them, either with counter or Conor throwing his own calf kick back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    I remember watching Bisping vs Silva & the amount of damage he took was unreal. He survived & won the fight.

    At the time, I was actually thinking to myself, McGregor wouldn’t come through that kind of adversity. Luckily he was so good most of the time, he was avoiding damage & knocking people out.

    At the end of Rd1 against Poirier, he was already limping a bit but didn’t look that tired. I don’t think it was fatigue that lost him the fight either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Oblique kicks will stop someone throwing those very quickly, or being checked properly.
    Instead he just let him leather his leg til it got to the point of being compromised, which was too late to start doing anything.
    His leg did look to buckle once or twice when he was trying to land shots, especially near the finish. Dustin spotted that and circled back out from the fence before starting to unload. He knew at that point Conor was hurt, showed great fight IQ.

    Dan Hardy did a nice breakdown of it, those leg kicks were absolutely the reason Dustin was able to out strike him. Only a few landed properly, but they did a ton of damage when they did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,935 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    At 2:47 left on the clock is the turning fight of the fight
    Dustin has his back toward the fence and Conor misses a left hand and gets smacked with a right hand his legs wobble and that's him done

    Conor won't admit it but that shot broke him ,

    If you look at it closely it actually looks like he thinks about shooting for a takedown immediately after he takes the punch and then pulls out ,it very much like that moment in Diaz 1 when he gets stunned and doesn't know what to do ,

    Conor can talk about his leg or gas or whatever but he got stung and wobbled and never recovered ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    glasso wrote: »

    David hannigan - the journalist who wrote that - is the toxic one. He has had it in for McGregor since the start. A quick google search shows up a litany of hit pieces he wrote on mcgregor over the years.

    Every piece is filled with venom and hatred. Its gross.

    McGregor definitely deserves criticism for some of his antics but this guy has been actively trying to assassinate his character for years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    He looked close to the McGregor face to me. When he starts to get the Bull McCabe look you know the end is nigh.

    It's probably a combination of heart, tired and damage. He thought he was against the same Dustin and would put him away in one shot.

    I do find it a bit mad though how excited his coach is that he wasn't tired after one round, kinda tells it's own story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    It's not just sparring hard either, its sparring with quality people.
    I know he is very loyal to john and owen but even if they all went to a top gym in the states for a month.
    Diaz used to spare with andre ward, super middleweight boxing champ and p4p best at the time, khabib and DC are teammates, dustin trains with masvidal and had jordan Burroughs in for wrestling.
    You dont see rory McIlroy playing with the course pro in Hollywood, Eddie Irvine wasn't driving around mondelo park etc etc
    Ireland is small. He is elite so should train with the elite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    David hannigan - the journalist who wrote that - is the toxic one. He has had it in for McGregor since the start. A quick google search shows up a litany of hit pieces he wrote on mcgregor over the years.

    Every piece is filled with venom and hatred. Its gross.

    McGregor definitely deserves criticism for some of his antics but this guy has been actively trying to assassinate his character for years.

    Yeah, when he calls the whiskey "gut rot". Cmon, I'm sure it's no Middleton but it's made by bushmills, probably just a standard whiskey.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    At 2:47 left on the clock is the turning fight of the fight
    Dustin has his back toward the fence and Conor misses a left hand and gets smacked with a right hand his legs wobble and that's him done

    Conor won't admit it but that shot broke him ,

    If you look at it closely it actually looks like he thinks about shooting for a takedown immediately after he takes the punch and then pulls out ,it very much like that moment in Diaz 1 when he gets stunned and doesn't know what to do ,

    Conor can talk about his leg or gas or whatever but he got stung and wobbled and never recovered ,


    That punch combo Conor kept throwing was stupid as well, left land and reaching with a right uppercut if you can even call it that. There was a leg kick at the same time though hard to tell if it was the punch or the kick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    David hannigan - the journalist who wrote that - is the toxic one. He has had it in for McGregor since the start. A quick google search shows up a litany of hit pieces he wrote on mcgregor over the years.

    Every piece is filled with venom and hatred. Its gross.

    McGregor definitely deserves criticism for some of his antics but this guy has been actively trying to assassinate his character for years.

    How can he get away with basically saying he's guilty of the 2018 incident when there has been no case or prosecution?

    Leaving himself open to been sued and rightly so.

    Can't be allowed type stuff like that without actual proof and guilt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    How can he get away with basically saying he's guilty of the 2018 incident when there has been no case or prosecution?

    Leaving himself open to been sued and rightly so.

    Can't be allowed type stuff like that without actual proof and guilt.

    Where does he say that?

    He literally says the events alleged in the civil case brought up on fight week are from an incident that happened in 2018. That is 100% factual.

    Those civil lawsuits filed in Dublin last week, the ones reported on in such troubling, lurid detail by the New York Times (taking full advantage of America’s less restrictive libel laws), they stem from an incident in 2018.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    He literally says the events alleged in the civil case brought up on fight week are from an incident that happened in 2018. That is 100% factual.
    It’s alleged to have happened. But saying there was an incident that happened in 2018 is dodgy ground for the media.

    I don’t know any details. And we probably can’t get into it here. But why is there a civil case and not a criminal case? That’s not usually a good sign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Where does he say that?

    He literally says the events alleged in the civil case brought up on fight week are from an incident that happened in 2018. That is 100% factual.

    Those civil lawsuits filed in Dublin last week, the ones reported on in such troubling, lurid detail by the New York Times (taking full advantage of America’s less restrictive libel laws), they stem from an incident in 2018.

    Finishes after that with Parenting really did seem to transform him alright.

    Not hard to make it out he's suggesting he's guilty.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Mellor wrote: »
    It’s alleged to have happened. But saying there was an incident that happened in 2018 is dodgy ground for the media.

    I don’t know any details. And we probably can’t get into it here. But why is there a civil case and not a criminal case? That’s not usually a good sign.

    There is no denying there was an incident. Conor himself presented to a Garda station after the incident. Thats not to say he's guilty of anything or even that the incident was in any way, shape or form illegal, but reporting facts is not dodgy ground for the media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    That journalist is my cousin, be kind! But ya he absolutely hates McGregor and is a boxing fanatic so likes MMA even less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    rob316 wrote: »
    That journalist is my cousin, be kind! But ya he absolutely hates McGregor and is a boxing fanatic so likes MMA even less.

    Hates McGregor? Would never have guessed. That kind of writing isn't journalism either, its just an attack from a dick with a platform. No offence to you or anything


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    ... a dick with a platform. No offence ...

    lol


  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    Hates McGregor? Would never have guessed. That kind of writing isn't journalism either, its just an attack from a dick with a platform. No offence to you or anything

    how could this journalist possibly not warm to such a fine upstanding Irishman, such a fine representative of our nation?

    the mind boggles.

    begrudger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It's the Irish times, McGregor wouldn't appeal to their readers. Let's be honest he's fairly spot on with assessment of him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    glasso wrote: »
    how could this journalist possibly not warm to such a fine upstanding Irishman, such a fine representative of our nation?

    the mind boggles.

    begrudger.

    Edit: Doh!


  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's really simplistic and lazy to say that everyone who critiques anything is a begrudger.

    I watch Conor fight and enjoy it but I still don't think that punching an old man or attacking a bus which causes problems for a fighter who suffers from ptsd and jumping into a ring and causing chaos before help has arrived for a downed fighter is a good thing.

    sorry - should have put a sarcasm disclaimer on that one then - did think that the "upstanding" and "fine representative" bit would have been enough to give it away!


  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Macdarack


    At 2:47 left on the clock is the turning fight of the fight
    Dustin has his back toward the fence and Conor misses a left hand and gets smacked with a right hand his legs wobble and that's him done

    Conor won't admit it but that shot broke him ,

    If you look at it closely it actually looks like he thinks about shooting for a takedown immediately after he takes the punch and then pulls out ,it very much like that moment in Diaz 1 when he gets stunned and doesn't know what to do ,

    Conor can talk about his leg or gas or whatever but he got stung and wobbled and never recovered ,
    That is exactly what happened, his leg went as a result of that counter right from Dustin, it was that bang that was the beginning of the end , he was wobbly after it and Dustin just cut loose, it was fairly even before that exchange. Same thing happened in Diaz 1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There is no denying there was an incident. Conor himself presented to a Garda station after the incident. Thats not to say he's guilty of anything or even that the incident was in any way, shape or form illegal, but reporting facts is not dodgy ground for the media.

    I get what you mean. Incident as in an event that happened. Rather than a crime.
    Maybe he has access to more information than we do. But the point about civil rather than criminal stands. Find that a bit odd.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    Mellor wrote: »
    ...But the point about civil rather than criminal stands. Find that a bit odd.

    File sent to DPP & they decided not to bring a case against him. You aware of that? Not enough evidence.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Folks MMA talk only...there comes a point where the warnings stop and the cards and bans just start getting handed out because people keep ignoring them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭Homelander


    glasso wrote: »
    how could this journalist possibly not warm to such a fine upstanding Irishman, such a fine representative of our nation?

    the mind boggles.

    begrudger.

    Realistically there's a big difference between "warming to a fine upstanding Irishman" and having a blatant, almost irrational, hatred for the man.

    The article comes across as a load of try-hard hate-**** to be honest. It would have been fine - good even - if he had tempered it a bit as the content is mostly completely fine and fair game.

    But he really just couldn't help plastering it with a massive neon-flashing "I HATE CONOR MCGREGOR" vibe and it doesn't do the article any favors, on the contrary I think the author comes across as a bit of a tool.


  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    Homelander wrote: »
    Realistically there's a big difference between "warming to a fine upstanding Irishman" and having a blatant, almost irrational, hatred for the man.

    The article comes across as a load of try-hard hate-**** to be honest. It would have been fine - good even - if he had tempered it a bit as the content is mostly completely fine and fair game.

    But he really just couldn't help plastering it with a massive neon-flashing "I HATE CONOR MCGREGOR" vibe and it doesn't do the article any favors, on the contrary I think the author comes across as a bit of a tool.

    they need to send the boards mods in as editors on the McGregor MMA talk times articles :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,294 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, it did seem like he simply gave up.

    But he also looked spent....very tired....

    So, Bisping I think is spot on

    Round 1 was intense enough

    And folks have mentioned that Dustin seemed to be just as tired

    But, stamina and conditioning also involves one's ability to get your second wind and recover from a tough exertion. Dustin seemed to recover well.

    Conor I don't think recovered enough from round 1....and then round 2 began and the tank was suffering...
    I completely agree and surprised “giving up “ hasn’t been the narrative, Conor wanted out after getting out of his depth


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Fall_Guy


    I completely agree and surprised “giving up “ hasn’t been the narrative, Conor wanted out after getting out of his depth

    Yeah, maybe. There's evidence of similar in the past, like Diaz 1.

    Then again, he showed plenty of heart in the mendes fight and the khabib fight too in surviving the second round onslaught.

    I do think it's not a coincidence that there are plenty of examples of fighters who are brilliant front-foot fighters that struggle when things get tough. Thinking of guys like Rumble, N'Gannou etc, capable of wiping most guys out in under a minute, but rarely get the win in fights where someone could weather the storm.

    On the flip side take artem for example, he's spent his career sparring someone with far greater natural gifts than him, and we've seen him in against fighters who were far too good for him on paper (cub swanson, Michael Johnson) and him never being close to being finished by them.

    McGregor has spent most of his career dominating his sparring partners and walking through people in the octagon. If you don't encounter adversity all that often is it a huge surprise that you don't have the same reaction to it as someone who is used to being up against it? Easy for me to spout on about from my couch obviously, but I do think there's something to it.

    It's one of the things that I think really puts Jon Jones out ahead of the field in the GOAT discussion. As well as his obvious natural advantages and ability to absolutely dominate his opponents, he's also shown that he can't be broken mentally or physically when his opponent is able to match him or even best him in the early rounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    Fall_Guy wrote: »
    Yeah, maybe. There's evidence of similar in the past, like Diaz 1.

    Then again, he showed plenty of heart in the mendes fight and the khabib fight too in surviving the second round onslaught.

    I do think it's not a coincidence that there are plenty of examples of fighters who are brilliant front-foot fighters that struggle when things get tough. Thinking of guys like Rumble, N'Gannou etc, capable of wiping most guys out in under a minute, but rarely get the win in fights where someone could weather the storm.

    On the flip side take artem for example, he's spent his career sparring someone with far greater natural gifts than him, and we've seen him in against fighters who were far too good for him on paper (cub swanson, Michael Johnson) and him never being close to being finished by them.

    McGregor has spent most of his career dominating his sparring partners and walking through people in the octagon. If you don't encounter adversity all that often is it a huge surprise that you don't have the same reaction to it as someone who is used to being up against it? Easy for me to spout on about from my couch obviously, but I do think there's something to it.

    It's one of the things that I think really puts Jon Jones out ahead of the field in the GOAT discussion. As well as his obvious natural advantages and ability to absolutely dominate his opponents, he's also shown that he can't be broken mentally or physically when his opponent is able to match him or even best him in the early rounds.

    I think the inactivity plays into this too. While Dustin was having multiple tough fights against elite opposition, Conor was either not training at all or lighting up sparring partners in the gym. No substitute for the real thing and in UFC, they just dont do tune up fights, like you would see in boxing.

    I think Conor needs someone a little handier next and then follow up quickly against one of the top dogs in the division. Maybe Felder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    I think the inactivity plays into this too. While Dustin was having multiple tough fights against elite opposition, Conor was either not training at all or lighting up sparring partners in the gym. No substitute for the real thing and in UFC, they just dont do tune up fights, like you would see in boxing.

    I think Conor needs someone a little handier next and then follow up quickly against one of the top dogs in the division. Maybe Felder?

    What about a Al?

    The trash talk could be funny. Especially with Serra in his corner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,410 ✭✭✭xtal191


    I don't buy the inactivity excuse to be honest, plenty of fighters have had long lay offs and come back with impressive performances GSP, Cruz, Ortega off the top of my head, there's probably plenty more too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,153 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Nothing to do with inactivity. He got kicked a few times in the leg meaning he couldn't stand up properly and then he got punched a few times in the face.

    Lets not over complicate this.


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