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    #8672
    derfderf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    tommyboy26 wrote: »
    who has everyone got in this one? i know Ngannou has made massive improvements but you cant learn NCAA Division 1 wrestling. i see this going much like the first time

    Has he though? He's just doing now what he was doing before the first fight. His cardio and grappling let him down, and we haven't seen anything to show either has improved, other than learning he can stand in front of Lewis for 3 rounds without keeling over.
    He still just has the ultimate punchers chance.


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    #8673
    Chairman Meow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    tommyboy26 wrote: »
    who has everyone got in this one? i know Ngannou has made massive improvements but you cant learn NCAA Division 1 wrestling. i see this going much like the first time



    not sure i would class it as a podcast but i do terribly enjoy the DC and Helwani show every monday

    God i used to listen to Ariel's MMA Hour before he moved to ESPN, and i thought it was great at first but then i slowly realized it was more like the MMA 5 hours every bloody episode, mostly filled with waffle, and gave up. Who tf has that kind of time for a podcast. It used to take me most of the week to finish a single episode.

    Jon Anik & Kenny Florian used to do a good one tho not sure if they do it any longer. I gave up on podcasts in general around about 2017 or so.


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    #8674
    Porthallian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    Chairman Meow wrote: »
    God i used to listen to Ariel's MMA Hour before he moved to ESPN, and i thought it was great at first but then i slowly realized it was more like the MMA 5 hours every bloody episode, mostly filled with waffle, and gave up. Who tf has that kind of time for a podcast. It used to take me most of the week to finish a single episode.

    Jon Anik & Kenny Florian used to do a good one tho not sure if they do it any longer. I gave up on podcasts in general around about 2017 or so.

    100% with you on this. I used to thoroughly enjoy the MMA hour podcast but I went off it. Not even the length, I feel like the popularity started to change Ariel more and more to the point where he became unbearable. He started making everything about him. Can't stand him anymore.

    Anik & Florian was always my favorite. Loved the Ray Longo minute. Liked the predictions where they got fans involved etc. TJ was also very knowledgeable I thought.

    Another I always enjoyed was Chael Sonnen's. Although I get he's a divisive character himself.

    Like yourself I gave up on Podcasts a few years ago. Used to always listen to them at work, but can't really do that anymore in my new role.


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    #8675
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    tommyboy26 wrote: »
    who has everyone got in this one? i know Ngannou has made massive improvements but you cant learn NCAA Division 1 wrestling. i see this going much like the first time



    not sure i would class it as a podcast but i do terribly enjoy the DC and Helwani show every monday

    Stipe offensive wrestling is not that great at all ye he was division 1 but he wasn't a top guy,

    He got 1 of 18 take down attempts on JDS for example and JDS was one for one on Stipe,

    He has something like 31 % takedown accuracy overall so its not fantastic,

    Francis won't out wrestle him but 3 year is certainly long enough to improve his chances of being good enough to keep it standing ,


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    #8676
    bmcc10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Askren signed to fight Jake Paul. How good would it be if it was Akren who Ko'd him.


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    #8677
    barryribs
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭barryribs


    Porthallian wrote: »
    100% with you on this. I used to thoroughly enjoy the MMA hour podcast but I went off it. Not even the length, I feel like the popularity started to change Ariel more and more to the point where he became unbearable. He started making everything about him. Can't stand him anymore.

    Anik & Florian was always my favorite. Loved the Ray Longo minute. Liked the predictions where they got fans involved etc. TJ was also very knowledgeable I thought.

    Another I always enjoyed was Chael Sonnen's. Although I get he's a divisive character himself.

    Same boat here, I used like the MMA hour but Ariel's ego has gotten in the way of it. I gave up when they gave his producer a slot.

    I like Chael's too, very smart and insightful but some of the audio versions seem to be edited to the point where there is no dead space at all. 'I bring this to you because' I actually cant keep up with it, like it is just one big sentence. I ended up dizzy after ten minutes of it.

    Thompson and McCarthy's is brilliant.


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    #8678
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Stipe offensive wrestling is not that great at all ye he was division 1 but he wasn't a top guy,

    He got 1 of 18 take down attempts on JDS for example and JDS was one for one on Stipe,

    He has something like 31 % takedown accuracy overall so its not fantastic,

    Francis won't out wrestle him but 3 year is certainly long enough to improve his chances of being good enough to keep it standing ,

    I think Stipe is a better all round fighter than Francis. Just has more ways to win, IMO


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    #8679
    simongurnick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    bmcc10 wrote: »
    Askren signed to fight Jake Paul. How good would it be if it was Akren who Ko'd him.

    Ah jaysus. I already feel ashamed of myself knowing I will watch this.


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    #8680
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    bmcc10 wrote: »
    Askren signed to fight Jake Paul. How good would it be if it was Akren who Ko'd him.

    Askren's striking is really poor, bit of a toss up this fight to be honest.


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    #8681
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    simongurnick wrote: »
    I think Stipe is a better all round fighter than Francis. Just has more ways to win, IMO

    Your correct there don't think there is even an argument there,

    Francis just has the one way but its one hell of a way :D


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    #8682
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    rob316 wrote: »
    Askren's striking is really poor, bit of a toss up this fight to be honest.

    The worst striking iv eve seen in professional MMA including the women

    He will be ko'd , he would be ko'd in a white collar event,

    People might think I'm joking but I'm not he is absolutely horrendous at striking ,


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    #8683
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    The worst striking iv eve seen in professional MMA including the women

    He will be ko'd , he would be ko'd in a white collar event,

    People might think I'm joking but I'm not he is absolutely horrendous at striking ,

    He doesn't strike, he only uses his jab to close the distance for the clinch and shooting. I've never seen Jake Paul box, but it wouldn't take much to beat Askren in boxing.


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    #8684
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Jake paul will easily beat him. He will also beat dillion Danni's very easily.

    He's a pretty good boxer for someone who has been training consistently for 3+ years. Would he last one round with a pro boxer? Nope but ben Askren is woeful at striking.


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    #8685
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Jake paul will easily beat him. He will also beat dillion Danni's very easily.

    He's a pretty good boxer for someone who has been training consistently for 3+ years. Would he last one round with a pro boxer? Nope but ben Askren is woeful at striking.

    You'd have to wonder what is Ben thinking taking the fight ,


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    #8686
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Probably "I'll make a lot of money"


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    #8687
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Probably "I'll make a lot of money"

    I suppose Jake Paul can't really win either,

    If he wins he beat the worst striker in MMA history ,
    IF he loses well that's curtains for his circus


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    #8688
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    If he beats Askren though the narrative will be "youtuber turned pro boxer beats former UFC fighter". It doesn't look good for MMA and it will catapult him into bigger fighters with other mma fighters. He was calling out Bisping too, but bisping would murder him.


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    #8689
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,552 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    rob316 wrote: »
    If he beats Askren though the narrative will be "youtuber turned pro boxer beats former UFC fighter". It doesn't look good for MMA and it will catapult him into bigger fighters with other mma fighters. He was calling out Bisping too, but bisping would murder him.

    Id actually pay to watch Bisping take lumps out of him ,
    I pray to God ben somehow beats this clown ,


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    #8690
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,364 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Like, what is this utter nonsense, who's he trying to fool, 10 year olds?

    Ben Askren, literally legendary for his terrible striking.
    Jake Paul: "I shocked the world when I knocked out an NBA superstar athlete but still some people complained that he's not a real fighter. So now I'm giving the people what they want by taking on a real fighter. After I add Ben to my knockout meme collection, what can anybody say?"


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    #8691
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Don't be so quick to write Ben off. If you use realiable MMA maths it shows Ben is the greatest boxer of all time.



    Ben Askren > Robbie Lawler > Rory Macdonald > Woodley > Till > Kelvin Gastelum > Bisping > Dan Henderson > Fedor > Frank Mir > Brock Lesnar > Randy Couture > James Toney > Evander Holyfield > Larry Holmes > Muhammad Ali


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    #8692
    derfderf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    There are some things in Ben's favour. He has a massive, hard, head. He can take a beating. He is/was an actual professional fighter. He's not going to blow everything he has in the first round.
    I can see Ben using Homer Simpson tactics. No way Jake Paul can fight for 8 rounds. I'd be shocked if he lasted 4.


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    #8693
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Hopefully he gets a good boxing coach in to help him prepare. If he can take the absolute bombs Robbie threw at him and survive, this dope should feel like he's hitting him with pillows.


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    #8694
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    I think Jake Paul beats bisping in boxing, assuming he is legit training all the time and not fcuking around.

    Bisping is 41 now and has just undergone surgery, so at earliest Bisping would probably be 42 and inactive for a few years.

    So if the fight was to happen you have jake paul with 4+ years of boxing with all the trainers money can buy vs 42 year old bisping who will have done very little strict boxing training.


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    #8695
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    You'd have to wonder what is Ben thinking taking the fight ,
    He told Helwani that this will be his biggest ever payday. He also probably thinks Jake Paul can't really box and is just some youtube reality star upstart so sees it as an easy nights work.


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    #8696
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    JJayoo wrote: »
    I think Jake Paul beats bisping in boxing, assuming he is legit training all the time and not fcuking around.

    Bisping is 41 now and has just undergone surgery, so at earliest Bisping would probably be 42 and inactive for a few years.

    So if the fight was to happen you have jake paul with 4+ years of boxing with all the trainers money can buy vs 42 year old bisping who will have done very little strict boxing training.

    Nah!


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    #8697
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    JJayoo wrote: »
    I think Jake Paul beats bisping in boxing, assuming he is legit training all the time and not fcuking around.

    Bisping is 41 now and has just undergone surgery, so at earliest Bisping would probably be 42 and inactive for a few years.

    So if the fight was to happen you have jake paul with 4+ years of boxing with all the trainers money can buy vs 42 year old bisping who will have done very little strict boxing training.
    Bisping has also been a kickboxer and has trained for most of his life, so his boxing would be pretty good. You don't forget that amount of training easily, plus he's probably done some form of training since retirement, even if it's not full on camps anymore.

    Bisping would destroy Jake Paul.


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    #8698
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Dean Barry put back into his box by Artem

    https://twitter.com/Deanbarry123/status/1354889536912969730?s=19


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    #8699
    Beersmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    This Dean Barry chap seems like a tool. I see in that thread he is telling someone that their opinion is nothing as they aren't a fighter. This is the same lad who is an open anti vaxxer. Hi Dean can you show me your PhD in immunology there? Probably a good idea he doesn't take any extra hits to the head in sparring.


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    #8700
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,364 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Did anyone see the exchange between Bisping and Dillon Danis on Twitter. Pretty funny.

    What is even up with Danis, 2 bum-fights in the last 3 years and constantly posting the most cringy call-outs.....

    https://twitter.com/bisping/status/1354635711295574016


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    #8701
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    I never realised Ariel was in Shameless


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