Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Lundstram · 27-01-2021 04:36PM

It’s ok folks, 2020 was just a bad dream. Never happened.

Thanks for confirming that, Graham.

beauf · 27-01-2021 04:37PM

Lundstram wrote: »

I was been kind saying over 70 considering vast majority of deaths have been over 83.

Keep clinging to the few middle aged folk with underlying conditions who died “from” Covid19.

Young lad stabbed to death in Dublin the other night. Should we ban all knives? No because that’s silly. Like your way of thinking.

I'm just thinking if all the ICU beds are full and all the staff are off sick. Who are you expecting to look after you when you fall off your polo horse. Answer that.

Graham · 27-01-2021 04:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If you have only been staying at home for a “few weeks” since last March you haven’t been following the guidelines

If you've been locking yourself in the house since last March, you've been doing it wrong.

It would explain some of the more OTT protestations though.

Windmill100000 · 27-01-2021 04:39PM

ypres5 wrote: »

What about the past year of restrictions? and the way the government are talking the year yet to come because of some boogeyman variant they've dreamt up

Well, nothing is going to change in the short term with cases still high. We locked down before with far less numbers, so no easing is going to happen yet.
Variant or no variant.

beauf · 27-01-2021 04:40PM

ypres5 wrote: »

I think few weeks is a bit of an understatement at this point

This lockdown started what 4 weeks ago. It not like we're out of Coffee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbv5B71KmkA&ab_channel=NenaNenas

hynesie08 · 27-01-2021 04:40PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

The government are already talking about 'new variants' emerging in the coming months and admitting defeat to them with restrictions been strongly suggested

Yes, there's been dozens of variants already, most will be miniscule changes, but we have to accept that there may be ones that need extra attention.

Would you rather when vaccinations happened we stuck our fingers in our ears and went "virus gone la la la"

yesterday was a kick in the head for everyone and once reopening starts it will be chaos and rightly so

"why won't they open the pubs so I can go ****ing mental"
yeah, that's the attitude that will get us out of this......

Lundstram · 27-01-2021 04:40PM

beauf wrote: »

I'm just thinking if all the ICU beds are full and all the staff are off sick. Who are you expecting to look after you when you fall off your polo horse. Answer that.

Can’t happen. My local polo club in Kildare has been shut for months now much like everything else.

I miss polo horsing.

ypres5 · 27-01-2021 04:43PM

beauf wrote: »

This lockdown started what 4 weeks ago. It not like we're out of Coffee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbv5B71KmkA&ab_channel=NenaNenas

my point is there's absolutely no prospect of an endgame from the way the government is speaking they've barely mentioned the vaccine anymore other than the 22 that went whoopsies

Boggles · 27-01-2021 04:45PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

down so quickly but we would have stayed on a more even keel instead of having cases plummet down to nothing and explode to almost 10k in the space of a few weeks.

Cases didn't get near 10K.

We got over 6000 positive swabs 3 days, because of reporting restrictions there was a lag.

Again your claim is not backed by reality or other European countries who were late bringing in restrictions.

And by any metric if things were more relaxed we would have entered Christmas week with a higher instance rate and the same reproductive number, with the added negative that UK variant would probably have become the dominant one at that stage.

Boggles · 27-01-2021 04:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If you have only been staying at home for a “few weeks” since last March you haven’t been following the guidelines

Fintan is on a self imposed Level 7.

Good man Fintan.

FintanMcluskey · 27-01-2021 04:50PM

Graham wrote: »

If you've been locking yourself in the house since last March, you've been doing it wrong.

It would explain some of the more OTT protestations though.

Nobody said they were locked in since last March.

You incorrectly stated it was just a few weeks since then.

Grossly inaccurate

froog · 27-01-2021 04:50PM

Some of you lot have completely lost the plot now and are getting hysterical. I would honestly suggest taking a break from the internet for a while.

FintanMcluskey · 27-01-2021 04:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Fintan is on a self imposed Level 7.

Good man Fintan.

I’m incredibly responsible

More than I can say for the pontificating finger saggers who expect many to do what they dont

acequion · 27-01-2021 04:52PM

acequion wrote: »

I have a question.

Without getting into my feelings about the latest targetting of foreign travel, I would like to know if the very strict clampdown is only because of level 5. Level 5 is effectively a lockdown where no non essential travel beyond 5km is permitted. And that includes leaving the country. Ok I get that. And presumably that's how they have the right to fine people. However increasing the fines to €500 just for leaving the country, but not for a very long journey within the country, how legal is that? And MM said today in leader's questions re people going on foreign holidays, “That needs to stops, that very clearly needs to stop.” Again what kind of legal footing does he have to say that? People are advised not to do non essential travel but it's not illegal. So how can they be so punitive?

Also, will this extreme punitiveness end with level 5, as in the fining of people travelling abroad? Without being in a lockdown situation how can they continue to do that? Will it just be whatever testing and quarantine requirements are currently in place?

I would like factual answers to the above please, not somebody finger wagging about foreign travel. There is enough of that at the moment. I'm also surprised that these measures are not being in any way challenged or officially criticised. Or maybe they are and I've missed it? Any clarification would be great, thanks.

Anyone care to answer or speculate please? I note someone posted about human rights and EU rights so I do think the above is relevant and important. Thanks.

Lundstram · 27-01-2021 04:52PM

froog wrote: »

Some of you lot have completely lost the plot now and are getting hysterical. I would honestly suggest taking a break from the internet for a while.

I agree. Take a break, maybe look at some data. Look at today’s hospital numbers compared to this time last week. Look at our case numbers two weeks ago then look at yesterday’s.

Pop back in soon.

cnbyz · 27-01-2021 04:52PM

i dont understand why people are so obsessed over foreign travel. Its already very few people traveling and the country is in lock down. Its not like they have anything better to do other than staying at home once they are back. Negative pcr test should be sufficient. Schools however are a big problem. Open them and we'll all face the consequences.

Boggles · 27-01-2021 04:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m incredibly responsible

More than I can say for the pontificating finger saggers who expect many to do what they dont

I know you are Fintan, screw those finger saggers.

FintanMcluskey · 27-01-2021 04:53PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They've been bitten before by overpromising - most recently at Christmas when they very quickly had to row back.

We're not going to stay locked down once the vulnerable are vaccinated.

Where are you making this stuff up from?

Those in power imposing restrictions have essentially said the very opposite to your wild ideas

FintanMcluskey · 27-01-2021 04:53PM

Boggles wrote: »

I know you are Fintan, screw those finger saggers.

Haha, that sucking autocorrect

Graham · 27-01-2021 04:54PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nobody said they were locked in since last March.

You incorrectly stated it was just a few weeks since then.

Grossly inaccurate

You will find there was no mention of "since" anything.

If you have to make up things to argue against, it doesn't say much for the point you're trying to make.

FintanMcluskey · 27-01-2021 04:54PM

Lundstram wrote: »

I agree. Take a break, maybe look at some data. Look at today’s hospital numbers compared to this time last week. Look at our case numbers two weeks ago then look at yesterday’s.

Pop back in soon.

Yeah I think posters who suggest 50million would have died really need to follow their own advice sometimes.

A nice cup of tea and some relaxation techniques will certainly help

Windmill100000 · 27-01-2021 04:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nobody said they were locked in since last March.

You incorrectly stated it was just a few weeks since then.

Grossly inaccurate

No foreign travel or trips to other countries to see friends, but I've certainly never felt locked in. I've gone for my daily walks when I can. I'm bored but I've never actually felt "locked in".

Graham · 27-01-2021 04:58PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah I think posters who suggest 50million would have died really need to follow their own advice sometimes.

apparently it's hyperbole season

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

people meeting up is what the survival of the species depends on.

Windmill100000 · 27-01-2021 04:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah I think posters who suggest 50million would have died really need to follow their own advice sometimes.

A nice cup of tea and some relaxation techniques will certainly help

When were those estimates made?

Ginger n Lemon · 27-01-2021 05:00PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

No foreign travel or trips to other countries to see friends, but I've certainly never felt locked in. I've gone for my daily walks when I can. I'm bored but I've never actually felt "locked in".

Damn.

At least your honest

francogarbanzo · 27-01-2021 05:00PM

acequion wrote: »

Anyone care to answer or speculate please? I note someone posted about human rights and EU rights so I do think the above is relevant and important. Thanks.

I don't think you'll get much of an answer here. People seem obsessed with arguing the effectiveness of restrictions, comparing data from sources all over the place, and making dishonest misrepresentations of each others' points. There is a complete lack of conversation around the moral/ethical/legal side to lockdown and other restrictions. I think we need a specific thread about it, to be honest.

Ginger n Lemon · 27-01-2021 05:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah I think posters who suggest 50million would have died really need to follow their own advice sometimes.

A nice cup of tea and some relaxation techniques will certainly help

:D:D:D:D:pac:

That post should become a meme.

Lundstram · 27-01-2021 05:02PM

Hearing on the news a class action lawsuit is underway against the minister of education for not allowing special needs children return to school.

Good on them, I hope they are rewarded.

TobyHolmes · 27-01-2021 05:03PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Hearing on the news a class action is underway against the minister of education for not allowing special needs children return to school.

Good on them, I hope they are rewarded.

its very hard on the kids and the families.

is it the MOE though or is it the union in which teachers refused to work (I dont know how the setup works TBH)

beauf · 27-01-2021 05:04PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

They didn’t increase supply, cause we had none to begin with. They allowed a small amount of it for a short window of time and people made the most of it.

None to some IS an increase.

SusieBlue wrote: »

..Ironically the option you are arguing against is the one which would have meant less pressure on the health service and less misery for society. Bizarre.
...

I'm not sure what option you think I'm arguing against. People who wanted the lockdown lifted, got their wish in Dec. It almost immediately caused a crisis in the health services in Jan. So you don't have to guess what might of happened, because it already happened. It also caused a return to a harsher lockdown in Jan maybe longer.

SusieBlue wrote: »

This just isn’t sustainable any more.
The longer it goes on the more the cases will rise with each reopening.
We had the longest and strictest lockdown in the EU and ended up either the same or worse off than every other EU country. That much can’t be denied.

Most other countries didn't open up for everyone to go nuts over xmas. That was Ireland being "special".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cbo1aTJito&ab_channel=FamilyGuyFunnyMoments

We've had 10months of lockdown, no major crisis.
We (against medical advice) lift it for 3~4 weeks at xmas. Immediate crisis.
But is not the 3-4 weeks at fault, its the previous 10 months. Makes perfect sense.

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