Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

#1 · 16-01-2021 4:25pm #1

This thread is a continuation of the megathreads for discussing the end of the presidency of Donald Trump, the aftermath such as any legal cases brought against him, his legacy as president and any matters which relate to these subjects.

Please keep discussion civil and constructive and bear the charter in mind before posting.

Update 23/9/20:

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looksee · 16-01-2021 5:12pm

I have just been watching a run of opinion pieces by Rachel Maddow about the Flint water scandal, the lead up to it and Rick Schnider's power grab. Along with the disenfranchisement of Black voters in the state, the invasion of the Michigan State Capitol, the attempt to kidnap and possibly kill Gov. Whitner, the disabling of her attempts to control the Covid epidemic by the Republican leadership. Just in one state.

Then I got pulled down a rabbit-hole of videos about Home Owners Associations, particularly in Florida, and their legal ability to do anything and everything up to and including taking over people's houses for often spurious and aggressive misdemeanours including opinions on style. The individual cases I would not be concerned about, its a big country and these are just the ones that made youtube.

But elected and professional state bodies not only allow largely self appointed committees to throw their weight about in people's lives, they give them the legislation to do it. This lot are in no way to be compared to our Residents Associations, this is a whole different set up.

My point being that, like the discussion on policing, we are not really speaking the same language of 'democracy' or 'right wing/conservative' or 'left wing' that Americans are. They are on a different planet of what democracy is, they really haven't emerged from the Confederacy era, the 'might is right' and Blacks are not really people ideas. That they claim to bring democracy to the world is insulting to the rest of the world, and tbh, laughable.

Overheal · 16-01-2021 5:15pm

There’s 4 days left I na the Trump presidency. Will we wrap this up in the next 100 posts?

(Probably not. Whatever he plans to do Wednesday, god damn)

To sum up his presidency: an abject failure with a few successes crafted by the people around him that he managed not to completely sabotage.

BonnieSituation · 16-01-2021 5:18pm

Overheal wrote: »

There’s 4 days left I na the Trump presidency. Will we wrap this up in the next 100 posts?

(Probably not. Whatever he plans to do Wednesday, god damn)

To sum up his presidency: an abject failure with a few successes crafted by the people around him that he managed not to completely sabotage.

Unfortunately we won't get to keep it to 8 threads. Shame.

Professor Moriarty · 16-01-2021 5:18pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That woman from Texas(I think she’s an estate agent) is on camera saying she deserves a pardon from trump. So that’s two that I’ve heard who are asking for a pardon. Wouldn’t accepting a pardon been seen as admitting guilt ? The trump base don’t believe they’ve done anything wrong though so that would take some mental gymnastics.

It places Trump on the horns of a dilemma. Pardon those two and his fanbase will be reassured that he's behind them. But that would then prove that he supported the insurrection. If he ignores them, then he is publicly throwing them to the wolves. I feel so sorry for The Donald these days.

Itssoeasy · 16-01-2021 5:20pm

Overheal wrote: »

There’s 4 days left I na the Trump presidency. Will we wrap this up in the next 100 posts?

(Probably not. Whatever he plans to do Wednesday, god damn)

To sum up his presidency: an abject failure with a few successes crafted by the people around him that he managed not to completely sabotage.

I saw a report that he wants a big **** off exit from Washington DC on Air Force one on Wednesday morning with red carpet and the whole works.

BonnieSituation · 16-01-2021 5:48pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I saw a report that he wants a big **** off exit from Washington DC a on Air Force one on Wednesday morning with red carpet and the whole works.

Every news caster last night was just "WTF" with these pronouncements from the White House. It's mad altogether!

Overheal · 16-01-2021 6:09pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I saw a report that he wants a big **** off exit from Washington DC a on Air Force one on Wednesday morning with red carpet and the whole works.

Pentagon declared nopesies to that

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pentagon-confirms-military-will-not-hold-traditional-farewell-ceremony-for-trump/

The suckers and losers want nothing to do with him.

Windmill100000 · 16-01-2021 6:43pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It places Trump on the horns of a dilemma. Pardon those two and his fanbase will be reassured that he's behind them. But that would then prove that he supported the insurrection. If he ignores them, then he is publicly throwing them to the wolves.

I agree. I think those rioting fully believed they would be pardoned. They were told they were patriots and to go fight by the president. I dont think any of them thought Trump would do a U-turn and hang them out to dry.

kowloon · 16-01-2021 7:26pm

I wonder how warm it gets when you have every fireplace filled with burning documents.

Harry Palmr · 16-01-2021 8:29pm

I'd be happier if I could see his tweets! At least we had some insight into his mood!

Itssoeasy · 16-01-2021 8:40pm

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1350517778407706628?s=21

Yeah because this is normal. Trump and the GOP could stop if not all of this, they could certainly stop most of it.

What.Now · 16-01-2021 9:09pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1350517778407706628?s=21

Yeah because this is normal. Trump and the GOP could stop if not all of this, they could certainly stop most of it.

i'm not sure Trump has the power anymore to stop these people. Its a runaway train until after the 20th when I think it will settle down after.

StringerBell · 16-01-2021 9:37pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'd be happier if I could see his tweets! At least we had some insight into his mood!

Self pitying and vengeful.

sdanseo · 16-01-2021 9:59pm

Overheal wrote: »

Pentagon declared nopesies to that

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pentagon-confirms-military-will-not-hold-traditional-farewell-ceremony-for-trump/

The suckers and losers want nothing to do with him.

Officers in the US armed branches are extremely well educated, with most requiring 4 year degrees .. they are probably almost all much more capable of making good decisions than orange man.

Headshot · 16-01-2021 11:31pm

I really hope Trump pardons the rioters

The back fire he and GOP would get would set the GOP back years

retalivity · 16-01-2021 11:49pm

Headshot wrote: »

I really hope Trump pardons the rioters

The back fire he and GOP would get would set the GOP back years

Whats he got...less than 4 days? And how would he even do it, a blanket pardon to anyone charged with and offence at the capitol on jan 6th?
It would be such a mess i'd nearly like to see him try it myself...

Nody · 17-01-2021 12:06am

retalivity wrote: »

Whats he got...less than 4 days? And how would he even do it, a blanket pardon to anyone charged with and offence at the capitol on jan 6th?
It would be such a mess i'd nearly like to see him try it myself...

Blanket pardon for any patriots who were at capitol hill with exception for the once who killed a police officer (have to be the party of law & order after all) most likely yes. Generic pardons have been done in the past (see Andrew Johnson and the American civil war or Jimmy Carter and draft dodgers). However I think Trump will sulk about the fact he can't pardon himself and refuse to give them out (funnily enough it was up back with Nixon already and the state department said nope can't do) to anyone but his family.

Lithium93_ · 17-01-2021 12:11am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1350517778407706628?s=21

Yeah because this is normal. Trump and the GOP could stop if not all of this, they could certainly stop most of it.

Absolute fair play to US Capitol Police and being on the ball with this, can only imagine the pressure cooker atmosphere/hope it'll all pass without incident in Washington leading up to Biden & Harris's respective inaugurations on Wednesday.

What.Now wrote: »

i'm not sure Trump has the power anymore to stop these people. Its a runaway train until after the 20th when I think it will settle down after.

Oh I'd say this won't settle down with Trump out of office, if anything I think he'll continue playing to his base, unrestrained in not having to apologize/take responsibility for whatever they do in his name.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

What.Now · 17-01-2021 12:56am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Absolute fair play to US Capitol Police and being on the ball with this, can only imagine the pressure cooker atmosphere/hope it'll all pass without incident in Washington leading up to Biden & Harris's respective inaugurations on Wednesday.

Oh I'd say this won't settle down with Trump out of office, if anything I think he'll continue playing to his base, unrestrained in not having to apologize/take responsibility for whatever they do in his name.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

My thinking is that without Twitter and him no longer being sitting president the followers will start to lose focus.

The battle call 'Stop The Steal' will be the battle call of the past.

17-01-2021 1:16am

What.Now wrote: »

My thinking is that without Twitter and him no longer being sitting president the followers will start to lose focus.

The battle call 'Stop The Steal' will be the battle call of the past.

Don't think that will be the case. Your talking about people who have a particular world view, similar to this

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1350569607300583428?s=19

The whole commie thing is well before trump raised his fake tan head above the political parapet. Your talking decades of conditioning and the fact that people of a certain political/world view have a thing about blood lines and the purity of them.

Sure you could argue that they are suffering from a mental defect/illness or are just a bit thick, and some of them most certainly are, but others are not and are just scrotes.

The fact trump is off Twitter*, and won't be the president in a few days isn't going to change a thing for these people.

* One of his supporters on here has a thread open claiming/celebrating that the number of Twitter users is going down and people are moving to other apps like Telegram. So there is always a online platform that if he so wished trump could move to and start spouting stuff from, like he did as part of the birther movement when Obama was president.

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 17-01-2021 1:21am

Agree completely. This kind of worldview is something that's been latent in the US for a long time now, but it's just been provided oxygen by the Trump administration over the past four years.

I honestly worry about how the US is going to emerge from this, I wouldn't discount a civil war at this point.

17-01-2021 1:56am

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

Agree completely. This kind of worldview is something that's been latent in the US for a long time now, but it's just been provided oxygen by the Trump administration over the past four years.

I honestly worry about how the US is going to emerge from this, I wouldn't discount a civil war at this point.

The GOP actually acting like their slogans about law and order and the constitution actually mean anything would be a start.

Nutters in the U.S. even armed nutters isn't something new, I remember seeing programs about the militias and survivalists over there in the 80s and them all waiting for the nuclear fallout to occur with Russia and how they were going to live in the aftermath.

While the GOP was the only party of choice for them back then, if they even voted at all. The problem is that the GOP have increased the sense of persecution these loons have, and of main stream GOP voters, through the likes of fox news to a level that other grifters start to cash in and make even more outrageous claims (being polite as this isn't CA), and just stoking up the situation.

I don't see a civil war happening, because the usual secession crap is normally limited to Texas, and the militias etc would be wiped out. I do see the chance of increased domestic right wing terrorist attacks perhaps occurring similar to the Oklahoma federal building and Atlanta Olympics bombings.

kowloon · 17-01-2021 1:59am

DubInMeath wrote: »

The whole commie thing is well before trump raised his fake tan head above the political parapet. Your talking decades of conditioning and the fact that people of a certain political/world view have a thing about blood lines and the purity of them.

Trump regularly talks about people having "good genes". He mentions it in a lot of his addresses.

Rjd2 · 17-01-2021 2:04am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1350517778407706628?s=21

Yeah because this is normal. Trump and the GOP could stop if not all of this, they could certainly stop most of it.

Thankfully that story is not as horrific as initially reported and he has somewhat apologised for it but obviously left it up for those sweet retweets.

https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1350566269519585280

Tyrone212 · 17-01-2021 2:07am

I'll be glad to see the back of him. The age of the idiot blossomed under him. He didn't win an emmy, it was rigged. Lost states in the Republican nomination process and there was voter fraud and was rigged against him. Lost the popular vote to Hillary, again fraud. He opens an investigation in to it. They couldn't find anything.

It was obvious this was going to happen if he lost. He's a baby. It is scary how many believe his lies, forgot about right left politics, he's just a complete chancer and a baby.

Misinformation flourished under him. He made masks a political issue and courted deranged fantasies to no end. The pen is mightier than the sword and my word didn't he scribble some toxic crap. Good riddance.

17-01-2021 2:14am

kowloon wrote: »

Trump regularly talks about people having "good genes". He mentions it in a lot of his addresses.

Given the gene pool he was addressing, good genes is debatable.

aloyisious · 17-01-2021 2:25am

Twitter have confirmed that Trump's twitter account will not be made available to him after he leaves the presidency.

brooke 2 · 17-01-2021 2:29am

Tyrone212 wrote: »

I'll be glad to see the back of him. The age of the idiot blossomed under him. He didn't win an emmy, it was rigged. Lost states in the Republican nomination process and there was voter fraud and was rigged against him. Lost the popular vote to Hillary, again fraud. He opens an investigation in to it. They couldn't find anything.

It was obvious this was going to happen if he lost. He's a baby. It is scary how many believe his lies, forgot about right left politics, he's just a complete chancer and a baby.

Misinformation flourished under him. He made masks a political issue and courted deranged fantasies to no end. The pen is mightier than the sword and my word didn't he scribble some toxic crap. Good riddance.

As the days went by and Trump's crazy antics became even more crazy, Jeb Bush's words during the 2016 campaign kept coming back to me:

'Trump is a chaotic candidate and will be an even more chaotic president!'

Not even poor 'low energy' Jeb could have imagined how prophetic those words were.

Buford T Justice · 17-01-2021 2:40am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Thankfully that story is not as horrific as initially reported and he has somewhat apologised for it but obviously left it up for those sweet retweets.

https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1350566269519585280
The Fuller Story: Man stopped with Glock and 500 rounds of ammo near Capitol was private security guard, his family says. He was not accused of showing phony credentials - but a "non-govt." credential -and an officer decided he wasn't authorized to enter.

Is non-govt credentials the 2021 equivalent of alternative facts?

Manic Moran · 17-01-2021 2:45am

DubInMeath wrote: »

I don't see a civil war happening, because the usual secession crap is normally limited to Texas, and the militias etc would be wiped out..

Swings and roundabouts. After Trump won, in 2017/2018, Calexit started trending. All depends on if you think things are going your way at the time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html

Not that the rest of the US would be happy to see either TX or CA go. Either would have a huge ramification on the political landscape of the rest of the country.

What.Now · 17-01-2021 2:50am

DubInMeath wrote: »

Don't think that will be the case. Your talking about people who have a particular world view, similar to this

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1350569607300583428?s=19

The whole commie thing is well before trump raised his fake tan head above the political parapet. Your talking decades of conditioning and the fact that people of a certain political/world view have a thing about blood lines and the purity of them.

Sure you could argue that they are suffering from a mental defect/illness or are just a bit thick, and some of them most certainly are, but others are not and are just scrotes.

The fact trump is off Twitter*, and won't be the president in a few days isn't going to change a thing for these people.

* One of his supporters on here has a thread open claiming/celebrating that the number of Twitter users is going down and people are moving to other apps like Telegram. So there is always a online platform that if he so wished trump could move to and start spouting stuff from, like he did as part of the birther movement when Obama was president.

I might have presented my argument wrong. I don't believe one second that the problem goes away, indeed it will take decades-generations but and I might be wrong but I think the immediate issues will die down.

quokula · 17-01-2021 3:42am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Swings and roundabouts. After Trump won, in 2017/2018, Calexit started trending. All depends on if you think things are going your way at the time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html

Not that the rest of the US would be happy to see either TX or CA go. Either would have a huge ramification on the political landscape of the rest of the country.

Calexit only started trending on social media thanks to Russian bots, with the group having been founded by a guy based in Russia - as mentioned in the article you linked they did start collecting signatures, but their petition only got a tiny fraction of the signatures that would have been needed to take it forward, and it soon petered out. It was a complete non-entity in reality.

Tell me how · 17-01-2021 3:48am

What.Now wrote: »

I might have presented my argument wrong. I don't believe one second that the problem goes away, indeed it will take decades-generations but and I might be wrong but I think the immediate issues will die down.

I think it will depend on how legal events play out.

Steve Bannon, a major conservative influencer has ongoing legal concerns, the Trump family, similar obviously. Last Wednesday will influence how others feel about pushing their issue. I see Lauren Boebert is facing calls for her possible role in it. If Trump is impeached, the likes of Ted Cruz, Matt Gaetz, et al might temper their narrative for a period though I wouldn't bet on it.

The elephant in the room is the 74M who voted for Trump, would they still do so now given how he has behaved since the election? Given his behaviour throughout 2020, I expect they would. It is this body of people who the GOP will be trying to capture the favour of and it remains to be seen if they do so by putting fuel on the fire, or, if Biden gets some success and positivity in year 1/2, the GOP strategists realise that stoking the fire when things could be going well is just going to make it easy for Biden to be returned.

listermint · 17-01-2021 9:58am

quokula wrote: »

Calexit only started trending on social media thanks to Russian bots, with the group having been founded by a guy based in Russia - as mentioned in the article you linked they did start collecting signatures, but their petition only got a tiny fraction of the signatures that would have been needed to take it forward, and it soon petered out. It was a complete non-entity in reality.

With the target of that supposed to be the same 'oppressed' Republican voters without a voice. It fits nicely and neatly into their world view that he coasts look down on them. Where as the reality is they don't. Their busy with the same lives those that consume this nonsense are.

Americans have become so easily manipulated a simple hashtag that gets amplified sets them off. And they used to laugh at the middle East....

StringerBell · 17-01-2021 11:22am

One of the sadder, but understandable things I've heard about the upcoming inauguration came from some former AD of the FBI, said they are going to have to have counterintelligence snipers pointing at their own troops on the day because they have no idea how many Trumper terrorist's have infiltrated the services, the national guard etc.

That's a pretty sad state of affairs for a country to be in.

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 11:36am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Thankfully that story is not as horrific as initially reported and he has somewhat apologised for it but obviously left it up for those sweet retweets.

https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1350566269519585280

Tf is a private security guard doing with 500 rounds? It's like saying you've a couple of tons of fertiliser for your one row of carrots in your back garden. Sure it's not illegal, but cop on

Professor Moriarty · 17-01-2021 11:40am

StringerBell wrote: »

One of the sadder, but understandable things I've heard about the upcoming inauguration came from some former AD of the FBI, said they are going to have to have counterintelligence snipers pointing at their own troops on the day because they have no idea how many Trumper terrorist's have infiltrated the services, the national guard etc.

That's a pretty sad state of affairs for a country to be in.

So, we have US snipers taking out armed US troops who are meant to be there to protect government buildings from armed rebels. That escalated quickly.

aloyisious · 17-01-2021 1:26pm

Sidebar [what's in a name] story to the Texan Realtor allegedly involved in the Capitol insurrection incident, a Canadian realtor with the same 1st and surname faced hassle and praise from others who may have googled the name and career made a wrong connection between her and the Texan. Due to the misfortune which befell the Canadian, I used the word "allegedly" in deference to her situation.

https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/sudbury-woman-victim-of-mistaken-identity-following-siege-on-u-s-capitol-1.5260390

ancapailldorcha · 17-01-2021 3:28pm

StringerBell wrote: »

One of the sadder, but understandable things I've heard about the upcoming inauguration came from some former AD of the FBI, said they are going to have to have counterintelligence snipers pointing at their own troops on the day because they have no idea how many Trumper terrorist's have infiltrated the services, the national guard etc.

That's a pretty sad state of affairs for a country to be in.

Reminds me of reading that during World War 2, the NKVD had divisions whose sole purpose it was was to shoot Red Army soldiers who tried to run away.

I think it's a mark of how low the US has sunk that this sort of measure is necessary.

aloyisious · 17-01-2021 3:40pm

DubInMeath wrote: »

Don't think that will be the case. Your talking about people who have a particular world view, similar to this

https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1350569607300583428?s=19

The whole commie thing is well before trump raised his fake tan head above the political parapet. Your talking decades of conditioning and the fact that people of a certain political/world view have a thing about blood lines and the purity of them.

Sure you could argue that they are suffering from a mental defect/illness or are just a bit thick, and some of them most certainly are, but others are not and are just scrotes.

The fact trump is off Twitter*, and won't be the president in a few days isn't going to change a thing for these people.

* One of his supporters on here has a thread open claiming/celebrating that the number of Twitter users is going down and people are moving to other apps like Telegram. So there is always a online platform that if he so wished trump could move to and start spouting stuff from, like he did as part of the birther movement when Obama was president.

I'm not sure if this article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram is linked to your Col Juarez. After another "Colonel", "Col Perez" AKA Troy Smocks, went on Parler making threats of taking over Washington on the 19th, the FBI viewed his YouTube videos. He had already been in Washington on the day before the attack on the Capitol. The FBI arrested him after he had booked a flight out of the U.S. There seems to be a few Colonels in Texas with Hispanic names allegedly backing Trumps belief of a robbed presidency.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article248559960.html#storylink=mainstage_lead

With a judge [hammer time, bring on the insurrection Act and the military] and a preacher [Yahweh will bring a miracle, prepare for a military tribunal] backing Trump in Texas, his believers don't look to be going away soon.

aloyisious · 17-01-2021 4:10pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Reminds me of reading that during World War 2, the NKVD had divisions whose sole purpose it was was to shoot Red Army soldiers who tried to run away.

I think it's a mark of how low the US has sunk that this sort of measure is necessary.

It's the cruel, logical security reflection on the fact that the neighbour may not be trustable due to Trump-ism. MP Straggler-lines were used for the purpose of locating and redirecting soldiers who had gone astray from their frontline units by all WW2 armies to stop illegal absence from the front. Sometimes the redirection was to C.M's In The Field. Think of how Capitol Police Officers may be looking at each other after the attack.

demfad · 17-01-2021 4:24pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Swings and roundabouts. After Trump won, in 2017/2018, Calexit started trending. All depends on if you think things are going your way at the time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html

Not that the rest of the US would be happy to see either TX or CA go. Either would have a huge ramification on the political landscape of the rest of the country.

Calexit (2) started trending because of a major astroturf campaign heavily funded and featuring Nigel Farage and Aaron Banks.
Calexit (1) was headed by a guy who now lives in Moscow.
Texas similarly and an Alaska Indy trend was the first push by the Olgino troll factory.
In light of the Capitol coup attempt and Democrat control the foundation for this fake campaigns will by ripped away and they will fall into the fringes or most likely nothingness.

aloyisious · 17-01-2021 4:26pm

The Pillow-man's visit yesterday to Trump was unusual in that there seems to have been a casual display by him of the document-content on his clipboard. I'd have thought any such document-contents would have been held more securely, FYEO papers.

prawnsambo · 17-01-2021 4:41pm

There have been some stupid people involved in the riot/insurrection, but this one takes the biscuit. "Here's me doing an insurrection everyone"

duploelabs · 17-01-2021 4:41pm

aloyisious wrote: »

The Pillow-man's visit yesterday to Trump was unusual in that there seems to have been a casual display by him of the document-content on his clipboard. I'd have thought any such document-contents would have been held more securely, FYEO papers.

Except the caveat is that trump doesn't exactly surround himself with the most competent of people

17-01-2021 4:48pm

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm not sure if this article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram is linked to your Col Juarez. After another "Colonel", "Col Perez" AKA Troy Smocks, went on Parler making threats of taking over Washington on the 19th, the FBI viewed his YouTube videos. He had already been in Washington on the day before the attack on the Capitol. The FBI arrested him after he had booked a flight out of the U.S. There seems to be a few Colonels in Texas with Hispanic names allegedly backing Trumps belief of a robbed presidency.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article248559960.html#storylink=mainstage_lead

With a judge [hammer time, bring on the insurrection Act and the military] and a preacher [Yahweh will bring a miracle, prepare for a military tribunal] backing Trump in Texas, his believers don't look to be going away soon.

Yeah the lad linked to in the tweet from my post was as real a colonel as colonel sanders.

Not to say that some serving and ex military weren't present for the capitol breach; Also being ex military won't prevent them from being subject to a military court if found and the military want to prosecute them.

pixelburp · 17-01-2021 4:50pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

There have been some stupid people involved in the riot/insurrection, but this one takes the biscuit. "Here's me doing an insurrection everyone"

If Trump's attempts at illegality were best snarked as "stupid Watergate", surely the events in DC must be "stupid Kristellnacht". God help America if any insurrection were properly planned, but you almost feel sorry for these clowns. Almost. Throw the book at them, they can bleat prejudice all the way to the klink

demfad · 17-01-2021 5:17pm

pixelburp wrote: »

If Trump's attempts at illegality were best snarked as "stupid Watergate", surely the events in DC must be "stupid Kristellnacht". God help America if any insurrection were properly planned, but you almost feel sorry for these clowns. Almost. Throw the book at them, they can bleat prejudice all the way to the klink

As you say book must be thrown....

A couple of days before the attempt, all living previous Secretaries of Defense spoke out against the military interfering in elections and following anything but the constitution. That undermined Trump's attempt to get any of the main Security arms behind him. This was significant as he had succeeded in significantly reducing the Security around the Capitol when there was severe warnings by the FBI among others that 'war was coming' to the Capitol.
While all attention was on the dressed up muppets a group of military trained men (some with cable tie cuffs) made a coordinated entrance and search of the building. Pence apparently had only 60 seconds to spare on the mob.
It is quite clear that people were going to be kidnapped or killed.
Can anyone imagine what would have happenned had they captured AOC for example? Pelosi had to announce that investigations may have to start on Congress people after it emerged that some/and or their staffers had shown some of the rioters around the building the day before.
Recall also that two pipe bombs did not explode. Had they exploded and distracted would not security have been even weaker?
Krisstalnacht was coup no2 by Hitler the first was a fiasco in 1924. But that's the point, failed coups are always presented as a fiasco, not a real coup. a joke. This is not accidental and allows the protagonists to get away with it.

The US needs to be on high alert now that this desperate lunatic has shown his colours finally. Trump is in serious legal jeopardy. He has a few days left....

If I was Biden/Harris I would hold the inauguration in a secret location. The winning is them getting in and restoring democracy. There are very real threats that this will be stopped at all costs.

Windmill100000 · 17-01-2021 5:50pm

Was anything done differently regarding the vote count when Trump won? Why are the way votes are counted unreliable and open to fraud only when he loses?

Igotadose · 17-01-2021 6:13pm

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Was anything done differently regarding the vote count when Trump won? Why are the way votes are counted unreliable and open to fraud only when he loses?

Because as he's been saying since he first ran for office in 2016, the only way he can lose is if his opponent cheats. Only way. No other reason. Ergo, if he wins, they're totally reliable. If he loses, the opponent cheated. He complained about this during the 2015 primary season when he lost to Ted Cruz in the Iowa caucuses.

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