Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Hurrache

Detritus70 wrote: »

This is like a return to sanity.
But the amount of touching and hugging at that event. :rolleyes:

I think everyone had to have been tested before allowed in.

RebelButtMunch

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the people had gloves on.

Doesn't matter. They can still go and touch their faces with infected gloves

dilallio

Detritus70 wrote: »

Garth Brooks just hugged a lot of people without a mask :eek:

He's not big on social graces ....

froog

christ what a 4 years of this clown. it's staggering the amount of crimes, attempted crimes and pure nastiness this guy has managed to squeeze into a single presidency. a man who clearly only ran to get more publicity for his tv shows and accidentally won the thing before realizing he had somehow acquired a genuine cult who would refuse to acknowledge even a single wrongdoing. a man whose sole driving force is personal attention and adoration.

hopefully the capitol riots are a turning point for america and the populist experiment can be put firmly in the dustbin of history although sadly i think there's a blueprint there for much more dangerous people in the decades to come.

Detritus70

dilallio wrote: »

He's not big on social graces ....

He's the patron saint of Linedancing in Ireland.

Detritus70

Hurrache wrote: »

I think everyone had to have been tested before allowed in.

I would have that much faith, yes.

BonnieSituation

Any word about DJT?

His narcissism is obviously taking a battering in Florida.

Itssoeasy

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Doesn't matter. They can still go and touch their faces with infected gloves

Well ABC news have confirmed that everyone at the inauguration was tested within the last 48 hours.

prawnsambo

The Chinese government has just announced sanctions against 28 of Trump's associates/team including Bannon, Peter Navarro, Pompeo, John Bolton and Kelly Craft. They or their family members cannot set foot in China, nor carry out any business in China (and by extension work for any business that operates in China). The reason being cited is that they had "made “crazy moves” that harmed U.S.-China ties".

Quin_Dub

prawnsambo wrote: »

The Chinese government has just announced sanctions against 28 of Trump's associates/team including Bannon, Peter Navarro, Pompeo, John Bolton and Kelly Craft. They or their family members cannot set foot in China, nor carry out any business in China (and by extension work for any business that operates in China). The reason being cited is that they had "made “crazy moves” that harmed U.S.-China ties".

But not Trump himself or the Trump Organisation it would seem.

How does that work?

Is there some International convention about not sanctioning a head of state or something?

Itssoeasy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But not Trump himself or the Trump Organisation it would seem.

How does that work?

Is there some International convention about not sanctioning a head of state or something?

Whether the trump family can set foot in China is probably the least of their worries in fairness.

Tell me how

prawnsambo wrote: »

The Chinese government has just announced sanctions against 28 of Trump's associates/team including Bannon, Peter Navarro, Pompeo, John Bolton and Kelly Craft. They or their family members cannot set foot in China, nor carry out any business in China (and by extension work for any business that operates in China). The reason being cited is that they had "made “crazy moves” that harmed U.S.-China ties".

That alone could knock Pompeo's own Political ambitions back significantly.

prawnsambo

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But not Trump himself or the Trump Organisation it would seem.

How does that work?

Is there some International convention about not sanctioning a head of state or something?

I suspect it's respect for the office of president rather than any international protocols. I reckon if Trump turns up there, or any of his family, they'll be made feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

EltonJohn69

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Saw that, and handshakes. Gob****e.

They probably all got vaccinated . Garth Brooks net worth is like 8 billion dollars, no way has he not got access to some of that sweet vaccine, probably got it a year ago.

Timberrrrrrrr

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

They probably all got vaccinated . Garth Brooks net worth is like 8 billion dollars, no way has he not got access to some of that sweet vaccine, probably got it a year ago.

I think your estimate is slightly exaggerated there but yeah definitely would have to have been clean to be let into that little party today.

Itssoeasy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I think your estimate is slightly exaggerated there but yeah definitely would have to have been clean to be let into that little party today.

As I said a few posts up abc news confirmed that everyone at the inauguration was tested(and presumably got a negative test) within the last 48 hours in order to attend. No way the US government would allow the inauguration to become a super spreader event.

one armed dwarf

How do you even begin bringing people like this to some version of reality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/l1cp1f/maga_woman_has_a_breakdown_over_biden_being/

Are most Trumpists this deeply invested in the cult?

Itssoeasy

one armed dwarf wrote: »

How do you even begin bringing people like this to some version of reality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/l1cp1f/maga_woman_has_a_breakdown_over_biden_being/

Are most Trumpists this deeply invested in the cult?

Jesus h Christ that was an intense minute of video. I don’t know how you bring people like that along. What flag did Biden mention ?

one armed dwarf

No idea what the flag comment is about tbh.

But I feel that the more hardcore part of the Trump spectrum is looking like Jim Jones on a national scale. Waking up from the fever dream isn't going to happen easily.

Itssoeasy

one armed dwarf wrote: »

No idea what the flag comment is about tbh.

But I feel that the more hardcore part of the Trump spectrum is looking like Jim Jones on a national scale. Waking up from the fever dream isn't going to happen easily.

And I don’t think it’s great that some on social media seem to be taking joy in the video. That’s not funny that’s a very sad video.

basill

That video just highlights prescription opioids, anti depressants, poor diet leading to sugar rushes and crashes and lack of education. Most of all a lack of personal accountability. The American dream they were sold when they were kids isn't working out and the reality is biting hard. Then they turn on TV or pick up the cell phone and hey presto there is another US billionaire or Instagram wannabe staring at them in the face. When you sprinkle in a bit of Trump that just adds fuel to the fire.

Headshot

one armed dwarf wrote: »

How do you even begin bringing people like this to some version of reality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/l1cp1f/maga_woman_has_a_breakdown_over_biden_being/

Are most Trumpists this deeply invested in the cult?

Britney Spears fan just got outdone

aloyisious

I was scrolling on F/B and on a page reporting the FBI raid two days ago on the home of Kristopher Dreww AKA Kris Martin, one of the Capitol insurrectionists who published assertions he was there on the 6th along with selfies.

I saw at the base of that page a separate report on Peter Thiel, described on Wikipedia as a German-American Billionaire entrepreneur, investor in Facebook and a co-founder of Paypal, a funder of Trump, of the GOP and of Senator Josh Hawley. Mr Thiel seems to have changed his view of Trump being a winner this time around contrary to his opinion in 2016, abandoning him last year. Mr Thiel, a longtime critic of Google was a financial supporter of Mr Hawley while he ran for Missouri's A.G office to the tune of $300,000 and more funding for Hawley when he ran for senator. Coincidentally Mr Hawley investigated Google while holding office as Missouri's A.G.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article184113056.html

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/josh-hawley-richard-blumenthal-call-for-doj-investigation-into-google-search/

Good news source...Breitbart.

wandererz

Wow!!!

What a show!

Overheal

one armed dwarf wrote: »

No idea what the flag comment is about tbh.

This is my best guess



(nobody tell her)

Keyzer

one armed dwarf wrote: »

How do you even begin bringing people like this to some version of reality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/l1cp1f/maga_woman_has_a_breakdown_over_biden_being/

Are most Trumpists this deeply invested in the cult?

Just another nutcase with access to the internet...

Professor Moriarty

one armed dwarf wrote: »

How do you even begin bringing people like this to some version of reality

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/l1cp1f/maga_woman_has_a_breakdown_over_biden_being/

Are most Trumpists this deeply invested in the cult?

Mental health difficulties or clever parody.

banie01

CNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.htmlN and others reporting that the Trump admin left no plan whatsoever for Covid Vaccine distribution and provision.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.html

That is criminally incompetent.

duploelabs

banie01 wrote: »

CNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.htmlN and others reporting that the Trump admin left no plan whatsoever for Covid Vaccine distribution and provision.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.html

That is criminally incompetent.

Given that it was revealed that there actually wasn't any second doses stockpiled, when Alex Azar said there was, accountability (criminal if needed) has to be actioned

salmocab

It was obvious a very long time ago that Trump completely lost interest in Covid. It was of no benefit to him so he pretended it didn’t exist. I’d say having no plan in place leftover from Trumps presidency would be better than having some ridiculous Trump plan that needs dismantling due to the ineptness of him, his family and his administration.

Brussels Sprout

How long before Trump starts up with the rallies? I guess he'll have to wait to be acquitted in the Senate trial first but after that it'll be full steam ahead.

AlfaZen

duploelabs wrote: »

Given that it was revealed that there actually wasn't any second doses stockpiled, when Alex Azar said there was, accountability (criminal if needed) has to be actioned

And to think that Trump was complaining that Obama "Left the cupboards bare" 3 years into his presidency.....

Leroy42

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

How long before Trump starts up with the rallies? I guess he'll have to wait to be acquitted in the Senate trial first but after that it'll be full steam ahead.

Listening, and watching, him yesterday, it is clear to me that he is a beaten docket. He should have been setting out his plans, his usual would have been to take the limelight from Biden, to take over the news feed for the day. Come was the upbeat declarations, gone was the megaphone, it was a whimper.

Now, normally one would argue that that is perfectly reasonable and expected. But Trump has never sought to be toned down. He never misses and opportunity to take the limelight, to drive the agenda. It was one of the reasons that the media loved him so much.

Instead, he sulked off, alone, hardly any supporters, little of his staff or the GOP by his side.

He may come up with something, but it appears that at least for now he has no idea what he is going to do next. I think the last two weeks everything has fallen apart (for him) and he could have easily walked away in early November to a pretty good shot at 2024, that seems very remote now.

I also think there is no way Melania is going to hope back on that train, so he may be forced to choose, and the kids may not be looking forward to 4 more years of it either (although this would probably matter little in his thinking).

I know that no matter what the circumstances, leaving such a position is difficult and a major jolt to anyone. But Trump seemed beaten. That minuscule crowd must have been so different to what he had dreamed of. He would have thought that the entire place would be overrun with supporters. People crying for him to stay on, begging for him to save the country.

But instead it was what, 200? The media will quickly drift away, he will now be faced with the unrelating focus on Biden. And he has nothing to offer.

It is one thing to hurl from the ditch, quite another when one has already been on the pitch and failed.

Keyzer

banie01 wrote: »

CNhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.htmlN and others reporting that the Trump admin left no plan whatsoever for Covid Vaccine distribution and provision.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index.html

That is criminally incompetent.

100%...

He had the balls to accuse Obama of leaving the shelves bare, 3 years into his presidency.

As someone already stated, he got bored of COVID because it offered nothing for him to inflate his pathetic ego or help him in anyway.

More COVID casualties in the US than they lost in WW2. That's so far beyond a frightening level of criminal incompetence and negligence.

pixelburp

If I had a wish heading into the future and a post-Trump world, it's that his time as President serves as a definitive reminder & puts to bed this persistent myth that CEOs or Corporate Leaders are natural shoe-ins for high political office. That we'll see fewer Trumps or O'Leary's in the political sphere or voting ballot, that the public remember just how unsuitable - and potentially calamitous - a lifetime of sociopathic focus on profit can be for the governance of a nation. Especially when that business-person proves to be as inept and hapless as Trump's own career. That giving free rein to those who prize balancing the books over the well-being of citizens never works out, and there simply isn't the overlap, despite what folks who annoyingly cling to this belief maintain. At the bare minimum, never trust those who WANT power. Society - especially those focused on individualism - are unlikely to learn these lessons but maybe for a few years we'll get respite.

looksee

Is Biden gaslighting Trump by describing the letter left by Trump as 'generous and gracious', but he is not sharing it? May be legit, but you have to wonder.

In other news, Rachel Maddow is quoting Washington Post about when the Capitol called the Pentagon on the night of the riots and were refused National Guard involvement. It now turns out that Charles Flynn, brother of former national security advisor Michael Flynn, was in the room when this request came through and was refused. The Army denied for days that he had been involved, but it now turns out that he was. That is something that is going to have to be sorted out.

Windmill100000

That video of the woman. OMG. She has been totally indoctrinated. It's like Trump sold her this future she was holding out for and with him gone so has all hope.

Re the flag, I took it that she doesn't see the American flag "anymore" when it's held by Biden. It's a "crazy flag" with him holding it and she no longer has a connection to America and the flag with him as President.

Keyzer

Keyzer wrote: »

100%...

He had the balls to accuse Obama of leaving the shelves bare, 3 years into his presidency.

As someone already stated, he got bored of COVID because it offered nothing for him to inflate his pathetic ego or help him in anyway.

More COVID casualties in the US than they lost in WW2. That's so far beyond a frightening level of criminal incompetence and negligence.

He avoided covid because it showed that he had zero leadership skills, not that this wasn't obviously evident beforehand. He demonstrated that by the way he called it a conspiracy, made it a political issue, had stats manipulated and threw a tantrum any time he was questioned, among other things.

Blowfish

pixelburp wrote: »

If I had a wish heading into the future and a post-Trump world, it's that his time as President serves as a definitive reminder & puts to bed this persistent myth that CEOs or Corporate Leaders are natural shoe-ins for high political office. That we'll see fewer Trumps or O'Leary's in the political sphere or voting ballot, that the public remember just how unsuitable - and potentially calamitous - a lifetime of sociopathic focus on profit can be for the governance of a nation.

I wouldn't be so quick to portray all business leaders like that. Trump, even in the business world has been seen as a grifter for a long time and is in the vast minority.

The obvious counter example is Andrew Yang who is another who if he had been successful in his Presidential run would have never previously held office and only worked as a businessman/entrepreneur. There's absolutely no doubt though that he wouldn't have governed in the same way as Trump.

Leroy42

pixelburp wrote: »

If I had a wish heading into the future and a post-Trump world, it's that his time as President serves as a definitive reminder & puts to bed this persistent myth that CEOs or Corporate Leaders are natural shoe-ins for high political office. That we'll see fewer Trumps or O'Leary's in the political sphere or voting ballot, that the public remember just how unsuitable - and potentially calamitous - a lifetime of sociopathic focus on profit can be for the governance of a nation. Especially when that business-person proves to be as inept and hapless as Trump's own career. That giving free rein to those who prize balancing the books over the well-being of citizens never works out, and there simply isn't the overlap, despite what folks who annoyingly cling to this belief maintain. At the bare minimum, never trust those who WANT power. Society - especially those focused on individualism - are unlikely to learn these lessons but maybe for a few years we'll get respite.

Just to clarify one issue I have with your post.

Trump was never, ever, concerned with balancing the books. In business or government. I could sort of understand if he had been an O'Leary type, I could understand the thinking behind bringing in such a successful businessman to run things (although I agree that they are very different jobs and O'Leary would not be suitable).

What I could never fathom is why anyone actually thought such a medicore (I'm being generous) who was not known for being innovative, or done anything remarkable was considered the person to fix it.

All in all, a vast amount of Americans were taken in by a marketing scam. Anyone that tries to tell you that marketing doesn't work, Trump is exhibit A to refute them.

dilallio

pixelburp wrote: »

If I had a wish heading into the future and a post-Trump world, it's that his time as President serves as a definitive reminder & puts to bed this persistent myth that CEOs or Corporate Leaders are natural shoe-ins for high political office. That we'll see fewer Trumps or O'Leary's in the political sphere or voting ballot, that the public remember just how unsuitable - and potentially calamitous - a lifetime of sociopathic focus on profit can be for the governance of a nation. Especially when that business-person proves to be as inept and hapless as Trump's own career. That giving free rein to those who prize balancing the books over the well-being of citizens never works out, and there simply isn't the overlap, despite what folks who annoyingly cling to this belief maintain. At the bare minimum, never trust those who WANT power. Society - especially those focused on individualism - are unlikely to learn these lessons but maybe for a few years we'll get respite.

+1

Remember back in the 2008 crisis how many people were saying that Ryanair's Michael O'Leary should be running the country.

Nody

Leroy42 wrote: »

Just to clarify one issue I have with your post.

Trump was never, ever, concerned with balancing the books. In business or government. I could sort of understand if he had been an O'Leary type, I could understand the thinking behind bringing in such a successful businessman to run things (although I agree that they are very different jobs and O'Leary would not be suitable).

What I could never fathom is why anyone actually thought such a medicore (I'm being generous) who was not known for being innovative, or done anything remarkable was considered the person to fix it.

All in all, a vast amount of Americans were taken in by a marketing scam. Anyone that tries to tell you that marketing doesn't work, Trump is exhibit A to refute them.

Marketing has always worked; that's why it's used in the first place... You can go back 2000 years to the Roman empire to see that as well and what to do to get elected, heck you can go back further than that as well. The one thing that's consistent is the fact people wishes a quick easy solution to their problems and are willing to con themselves into believing it's true this time. Be that snake oil sellers to various religions to divine intervention to people who speak well.

hirondelle

dilallio wrote: »

+1

Remember back in the 2008 crisis how many people were saying that Ryanair's Michael O'Leary should be running the country.

I think O'Leary himself might have made rhetorical noises in that direction also.

pixelburp

Leroy42 wrote: »

Just to clarify one issue I have with your post.

Trump was never, ever, concerned with balancing the books. In business or government. I could sort of understand if he had been an O'Leary type, I could understand the thinking behind bringing in such a successful businessman to run things (although I agree that they are very different jobs and O'Leary would not be suitable).

No, true, my wording was poor with book balancing as yes, Trump has no sense of prudence. I guess broadly, what I meant was more often the CEO politician will trumpet a desire to cut waste in government (not ostensibly a bad goal mind you), and slim what can be seen as the bloat or soft corruption of governance. The swamp, if you will. But then again, CEOs just end up hiring other corporates into their mix and thus the swamp persists.

Blowfish wrote: »

I wouldn't be so quick to portray all business leaders like that. Trump, even in the business world has been seen as a grifter for a long time and is in the vast minority.

The obvious counter example is Andrew Yang who is another who if he had been successful in his Presidential run would have never previously held office and only worked as a businessman/entrepreneur. There's absolutely no doubt though that he wouldn't have governed in the same way as Trump.

Honestly I know next to little about Yang so can't really comment on his background or career this far. He certainly cuts a more empathetic, egalitarian figure so I'll give you that but also that he's an exception, not the rule here IMO

kowloon

Blowfish wrote: »

I wouldn't be so quick to portray all business leaders like that. Trump, even in the business world has been seen as a grifter for a long time and is in the vast minority.

The obvious counter example is Andrew Yang who is another who if he had been successful in his Presidential run would have never previously held office and only worked as a businessman/entrepreneur. There's absolutely no doubt though that he wouldn't have governed in the same way as Trump.

Yang was able to discuss things coherently using big person words. Not fair to compare him to the pos just washed off the floor of the White House.

Water John

Yang is running for Mayor of NY. Has got bitten by the political bug.

Tell me how

And a fitting reaction to the new administration coming from Sean Spicer. Like his former boss, whinging that the Press were being unfair to him.

https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/1352339438446268417

You'd swear he wasn't there the day he came out for the first press conference with his 'Biggest inauguration crowd ever. Period' statement. That lead Kellyanne Conway to use her infamous 'alternative facts' statement a couple days later. And astonishingly, they all went downhill from there.

It's just icing on the cake that he is quoting a Fox News piece as his supporting evidence. They truly don't get it.

BonnieSituation

Tell me how wrote: »

And a fitting reaction to the new administration coming from Sean Spicer. Like his former boss, whinging that the Press were being unfair to him.

https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/1352339438446268417

You'd swear he wasn't there the day he came out for the first press conference with his 'Biggest inauguration crowd ever. Period' statement. That lead Kellyanne Conway to use her infamous 'alternative facts' statement a couple days later. And astonishingly, they all went downhill from there.

It's just icing on the cake that he is quoting a Fox News piece as his supporting evidence. They truly don't get it.

Remember that time he hid in a bush.

We were so innocent.

coolbeans

Tell me how wrote: »

And a fitting reaction to the new administration coming from Sean Spicer. Like his former boss, whinging that the Press were being unfair to him.

https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/1352339438446268417

You'd swear he wasn't there the day he came out for the first press conference with his 'Biggest inauguration crowd ever. Period' statement. That lead Kellyanne Conway to use her infamous 'alternative facts' statement a couple days later. And astonishingly, they all went downhill from there.

It's just icing on the cake that he is quoting a Fox News piece as his supporting evidence. They truly don't get it.

They don't seem to get that lies come with consequences. Suppose you can't blame them really seeing who appointmented then m

aloyisious

If the move from impeachment to trial is dragged out over the spring/summer, I can see this thread having an extension granted. Personally, I see Trump himself dragging it out to avoid being called to account, probably refusing to attend it and appointing new lawyer teams every so often to get as much media attention as possible over the need to actually have a team working successfully in his interests.

I think he knows, probably fears, grandstanding in the senate would rebound on him as the differing sides of the GOP senators would hog the limelight themselves, seeing him as yesterday's man in terms of political importance to their own careers in the GOP.