Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

doublejobbing 2 · 16-01-2021 03:32PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No, as in don't count on it... Summer pints in a non-food pub? Slim to no chance of that happening... at best maybe food pubs 15 outdoors unless Government overrule NPHET...so possibly Autumn restaurants will open with limited numbers... Think that's too pessimistic? Just look at last Summer, Low case numbers and no deaths but Pubs still closed, whereas in Europe they were open..

As loopy as it was to justify last year, how could they possibly keep them open beyond June, when all vulnerable groups are due to be vaccinated?

Or even beyond late March when the highest risk vulnerable are covered?

The mythical Long Covid in young people?

PTH2009 · 16-01-2021 03:35PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No, as in don't count on it... Summer pints in a non-food pub? Slim to no chance of that happening... at best maybe food pubs 15 outdoors unless Government overrule NPHET...so possibly Autumn restaurants will open with limited numbers... Think that's too pessimistic? Just look at last Summer, Low case numbers and no deaths but Pubs still closed, whereas in Europe they were open..

Tourist season will again have to rely on internal/domestic tourism.. Will be a very low level of international tourism with "Level 3 or 4" restrictions... What's here to come for? Nothing!

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

Need a drink after reading that article

I'm not taking another year watching the rest of Europe go on about there business and us still locked up with the negative media and hysteria still rampant

dublin_paul · 16-01-2021 04:01PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

As loopy as it was to justify last year, how could they possibly keep them open beyond June, when all vulnerable groups are due to be vaccinated?

Or even beyond late March when the highest risk vulnerable are covered?

The mythical Long Covid in young people?

Long covid is clearly a real thing, you call it mythical?

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:08PM

Once everybody over 55 and those under 55 with an illness are vaccinated we are ready to rock .By the 1st April there will be pints and lots of them .Pressure will be off the Hospitals and Nursing Homes and staff will be the clear .So what on earth can cause restrictions then Unless maybe there is an agenda to change the whole format of the hospitality sector .Maybe McDowells plan is back again ,Time will tell . .

GazzaL · 16-01-2021 04:14PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Once everybody over 55 and those under 55 with an illness are vaccinated we are ready to rock .By the 1st April there will be pints and lots of them .Pressure will be off the Hospitals and Nursing Homes and staff will be the clear .So what on earth can cause restrictions then Unless maybe there is an agenda to change the whole format of the hospitality sector .Maybe McDowells plan is back again ,Time will tell . .

Just one case of COVID is too much! COVID lives matter! If we have to destroy a few million lives socially and economically to save a COVID life, it will be worth it.

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:17PM

If every vulnerable person is vaccinated there should be no covid related deaths surely .

doublejobbing 2 · 16-01-2021 04:18PM

dublin_paul wrote: »

Long covid is clearly a real thing, you call it mythical?

Not its existence, but its existential threat.

Some morons talk as if every year we don't have thousands of people suffering the long term effects of flu.

A cousin of mine was seriously ill in hospital with swine flu, he took months to get back to 100%.

The tiny proportion of people that suffer long term effects from this cannot justify our continued closure.

Just look at how many footballers have tested positive for Covid, I've yet to hear of any of them being out for more than a few weeks, let alone the condition effectively being a career ending injury.

PTH2009 · 16-01-2021 04:19PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Once everybody over 55 and those under 55 with an illness are vaccinated we are ready to rock .By the 1st April there will be pints and lots of them .Pressure will be off the Hospitals and Nursing Homes and staff will be the clear .So what on earth can cause restrictions then Unless maybe there is an agenda to change the whole format of the hospitality sector .Maybe McDowells plan is back again ,Time will tell . .

1st April pubs open ha . Thanks needed a laugh Its not called April fools day for nothing.

The goal posts will keep been moved and no other TD will stand up for the people and ask serious questions

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:27PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

1st April pubs open ha . Thanks needed a laugh Its not called April fools day for nothing.

The goal posts will keep been moved and no other TD will stand up for the people and ask serious questions

Ok ha ha .Maybe the 1st May so .I know a few Publicans and they are actually not complaining about being closed for this lockdown but once this curve is flattened the pressure will be huge to get open again .Remember they were closed for months and there were no cases of any significance .Areas that are clear should be allowed open once this curve is flattened and the vulnerable are vaccinated .The rural TD s will be needing votes when this government falls .

hynesie08 · 16-01-2021 04:31PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Ok ha ha .Maybe the 1st May so .I know a few Publicans and they are actually not complaining about being closed for this lockdown but once this curve is flattened the pressure will be huge to get open again .Remember they were closed for months and there were no cases of any significance .Areas that are clear should be allowed open once this curve is flattened and the vulnerable are vaccinated .The rural TD s will be needing votes when this government falls .

Pressure from who? The vfi? The Publicans themselves? Why would they suddenly grow a spine after a year?

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:36PM

Do you mean the VFI have no spine .We know the TDs have no spine .I just dont see how economically this can be sustained anyway .The revenue from shop drink has to be tiny compared to the money the government get from Pubs .Sure what tax take can there be from a 1 euro bottle of beer .

hynesie08 · 16-01-2021 04:38PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Do you mean the VFI have no spine .We know the TDs have no spine .I just dont see how economically this can be sustained anyway .The revenue from shop drink has to be tiny compared to the money the government get from Pubs .Sure what tax take can there be from a 1 euro bottle of beer .

Yes, the vfi have proven themselves (along with Failte ireland and the lva) to be utterly useless this past year, the only thing they achieved was getting the Christmas lights up....

L1011 · 16-01-2021 04:43PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Do you mean the VFI have no spine .We know the TDs have no spine .I just dont see how economically this can be sustained anyway .The revenue from shop drink has to be tiny compared to the money the government get from Pubs .Sure what tax take can there be from a 1 euro bottle of beer .

Duty is based on volume. This is the same whether the item is sold below cost, at cost or for any level of profit

VAT is based on the selling price; so they make more the dearer it is. But that €1 bottle is still giving ~60c to the state

PommieBast · 16-01-2021 04:44PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Need a drink after reading that article

I'm not taking another year watching the rest of Europe go on about there business and us still locked up with the negative media and hysteria still rampant

For me the alarming bit is an admission that it will take until 2022 to complete vaccinations. Keeping the country under lockdown until that point is something I have long assumed was the real agenda.

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:47PM

Well nobody knew it would last as long as it did .Any place a lot of people gathered there were spikes .If all Pubs had opened in a restricted and well controlled way lads wouldnt have needed to travel 20 miles for pints in over crowded badly ventilated bars with a slice of Piza to make it legal.Perhaps the VFI could have fought harder .All bars should have been open with restricted numbers of localised sensible people .Something that should happen as soon as this curve is flattened .

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 04:48PM

L1011 wrote: »

Duty is based on volume. This is the same whether the item is sold below cost, at cost or for any level of profit

VAT is based on the selling price; so they make more the dearer it is. But that €1 bottle is still giving ~60c to the state

60 cent .What is the take when its sold in a bar for 5-50 then

doublejobbing 2 · 16-01-2021 05:04PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

I completely missed this when it was posted earlier.

What exactly is this fella on?

The vaccine schedule has all over 70's and frontline healthcare staff vaccinated by late March.

All remaining vulnerable people by late June.

Why exactly do we need to be protected from something that by the looks of it is barely even noticeable in 90% plus of carriers who are not of a certain age and are healthy?

It was never done for swine flu or the common winter flu. What can possibly justify this?

Say what you want about Arlene Foster but she goes the way London goes, and they are a month ahead of us on the vaccines. When the UK had their initial tiers system IIRC pubs remained open with food service even at the highest tier- here we barely get that on the lowest one.

The government will be hard pressed to justify this going on if pubs are open in relative normality in the North, and Europe, and Israel, by March.

As a point of comparison, the governor of Michigan, who is pro lockdown, is already floating the idea of re opening hospitality this month. They are at a 14 day rate of 2800 per million by my count.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/gov-whitmer-says-covid-19-variant-post-holiday-data-will-determine-if-bars-restaurants-can-open-jan-15

edit- date now given as Feb 1st.

opinionated3 · 16-01-2021 05:35PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's a miserable ****hole. I'm looking forward to seeing how NPHET and Fáilte Ireland follow on from 2020s "**** Off" campaign.

In the Ireland we currently find ourselves in, I have to agree with you. This isn't living. Too many experts telling us now how to live our lives. They're making the conspiracy theorists actually sound like they're making sense. It's only a few months ago that we were told if the elderly, vulnerable and healthcare workers were vaccinated, then the country could open properly. Now we're listening to experts ( a new one seems to pop up in a daily basis at this stage) tell us that that's not feasible, we need to see how the vaccine works which could take a year, all you peasants stay on 350 a week. The doom and gloom is actually overwhelming at this stage.

16-01-2021 05:36PM

One good thing about the pandemic is the Vintners being put in their place a few times.

doublejobbing 2 · 16-01-2021 05:39PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

In the Ireland we currently find ourselves in, I have to agree with you. This isn't living. Too many experts telling us now how to live our lives. .

When various people tell you there has been some advantage to all this, that Covid has given us insight into a better way of doing things, you know there is something up.

There is no advantage to any of this, bar less traffic in rush hour. Anyone seeking to adapt any of this as new normal needs sectioning.

bunny_ · 16-01-2021 05:41PM

I usually don't eat at pubs only snacks maybe.

SteM · 16-01-2021 05:56PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

When various people tell you there has been some advantage to all this, that Covid has given us insight into a better way of doing things, you know there is something up.

There is no advantage to any of this, bar less traffic in rush hour. Anyone seeking to adapt any of this as new normal needs sectioning.

I know people that are actually getting more exercise now that they have for years. I know people that are reading more, learning online etc. They don't need to be sectioned for continuing that when things go back to normal do they?

doublejobbing 2 · 16-01-2021 06:47PM

SteM wrote: »

I know people that are actually getting more exercise now that they have for years. I know people that are reading more, learning online etc. They don't need to be sectioned for continuing that when things go back to normal do they?

I'm not talking about individuals.

I'm talking about Green Party arseholes who tried to use Covid to bring in 30km speed limits in Dublin. Who are trying to all but seal off the Phoenix Park to traffic.

One NPHET member said that the current period formed a perfect opportunity to review Ireland's relationship with the pub.

These people want us to go European.

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 09:43PM

6 wrote: »

One good thing about the pandemic is the Vintners being put in their place a few times.

But are they really or are they being led down a garden path to obscurity .Think about it

L1011 · 16-01-2021 09:44PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

60 cent .What is the take when its sold in a bar for 5-50 then

21% of the difference. The duty element doesn't change.

cityboyjim · 16-01-2021 09:50PM

L1011 wrote: »

21% of the difference. The duty element doesn't change.

Not an accountant but still dont get it .Does the customer not pay vat

Benimar · 16-01-2021 10:52PM

cityboyjim wrote: »

Not an accountant but still dont get it .Does the customer not pay vat

Yes. Customer pays VAT, business collects it and returns it to the Government.

If you pay €1.21 to a business, they keep €1 and return 21c to Government (assuming VAT rate of 21%).

46 Long · 16-01-2021 11:43PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

As loopy as it was to justify last year, how could they possibly keep them open beyond June, when all vulnerable groups are due to be vaccinated?

Or even beyond late March when the highest risk vulnerable are covered?

The mythical Long Covid in young people?

Don't worry, they'll find something. Tony H will be 'very concerned' again like he was last summer when cases were down to double digits.

fin12 · 17-01-2021 02:11AM

Anyone get really jealous when they are watching a show and they are hanging out in the pubs like old times. Up at the bar ordering drinks. Please god make us be able to re live those times...

copeyhagen · 17-01-2021 02:14AM

yeah, every other Country than here for th elast 10 months

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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