Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Tenzor07

PommieBast wrote: »

Tried one of those when you'll be vacc'd calculators after posting and it thinks I'll get it between 4th October 2021 and 19 May 2022. :eek::(

Yeap, sounds right....

If it was possible... I'd say a lot of people would travel to get the Vaccine.. just like they do to get cheap dental work! :pac:

hynesie08

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The people are bringing this about, not Leo and co.


Most people no longer want to visit dark and smelly pubs, where the only food is a pack of dry roasted peanuts. These watering holes are becoming few and far between.



This country is finally having a reckoning with it's dangerous attitude to alcohol and thankfully the side of moderation is winning out.


Young people are rejecting the notion that their weekend should be spent on the inside of some delapidated pub that stinks of stale beer and BO - instead they're embracing the outdoors followed by a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Well that's just a lie, unless by young you mean 35+

Tale as old as time, girls want to dance, lads want to drink and meet girls, as long as bars and clubs are facilitating this, they'll win out over a hoppy ipa or a full bodied chablis......

Tenzor07

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We just have to wait and see how the rollout actually goes. The first few weeks are about test-and-learn. So they’re not representative of the future rate of rollout. It will ramp up over the coming weeks and to why will need more vaccines, which other posters have said they are securing.

Trial and error you mean.... Will mean the likelihood of seeing our favorite watering holes reopen for business this year will be slim to none... maybe a few larger Wetherspoons will open would be the best we can hope for...

ninebeanrows

I wonder will they open indoor dining for the Spring? Maybe from April 1st? as lots of premises have made big investment in outdoor areas and once the clock changes around 21 March, outdoor areas should be facilitated as they are low risk and will allow people to gradually get themselves back into the social scene.

It would be nice if they could reopen from 21 March.

PommieBast

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The UK had a terrible track record of managing the pandemic at almost every stage in the whole process. But they seem to be doing a good job with the vaccine rollout. They’re a couple of weeks ahead of Ireland as they started first, but they’re ramping up the rollout nicely. So all we can do is wait to see how they manage the rollout. Hopefully it goes well and we can move back towards normal life sooner rather than later

BJ is now going on about 24/7 jabbing centres which is clearly pure PR, but the big mistake they have avoided this time is to not outsource it to Crapita et al.

ninebeanrows

I think it is safe to say indoor dining will not resume until daily case numbers are under 100

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Trial and error you mean.... Will mean the likelihood of seeing our favorite watering holes reopen for business this year will be slim to none... maybe a few larger Wetherspoons will open would be the best we can hope for...

Yeah. Trial and error or test and learn, whatever way you want to phrase it.

In any case, they can’t just stay day one at full capacity. That’s just not how anything works. The test and learn approach is sensible so we’ll just have to see how it ramps up.

Anyone who is calculating their position in then queue based on this week’s numbers, is just looking to whinge about it.

hynesie08

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I wonder will they open indoor dining for the Spring? Maybe from April 1st? as lots of premises have made big investment in outdoor areas and once the clock changes around 21 March, outdoor areas should be facilitated as they are low risk and will allow people to gradually get themselves back into the social scene.

It would be nice if they could reopen from 21 March.

I would love to see them expand on outdoor dining and pedestrianise certain areas of Dublin city, think about South William St closed off from coppinger Row to Chatham Row, tables with parasols, outdoor toilets, security and the ability to order pints, cocktails, coffee, food from
Different places...... You could easily have a few hundred people seated outdoors with social distancing in place.......

You could easily repeat it in several places, it would just require the council and business owners to work together.....

PommieBast

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yeap, sounds right....

If it was possible... I'd say a lot of people would travel to get the Vaccine.. just like they do to get cheap dental work! :pac:

Couldn't resist...

PTH2009

I'll visit any dark hole old mans pub when they hopefully reopen

El_Duderino 09

PommieBast wrote: »

BJ is now going on about 24/7 jabbing centres which is clearly pure PR, but the big mistake they have avoided this time is to not outsource it to Crapita et al.

Couldn’t agree more. 24/7 is hyperbole and they haven’t given it to their Tory mates. The government is actually doing a grand job in spite of the prevailing wisdom that private sector does everything faster and cheaper.

dominatinMC

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The people are bringing this about, not Leo and co.


Most people no longer want to visit dark and smelly pubs, where the only food is a pack of dry roasted peanuts. These watering holes are becoming few and far between.



This country is finally having a reckoning with it's dangerous attitude to alcohol and thankfully the side of moderation is winning out.


Young people are rejecting the notion that their weekend should be spent on the inside of some delapidated pub that stinks of stale beer and BO - instead they're embracing the outdoors followed by a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Give it a rest Paddy, you're like a broken record at this stage. You've made your disdain for pubs perfectly clear (the irony of the username is hilarious btw), but your myopic view doesn't correlate with reality. The "dark, smelly, dilapidated" pubs you refer to exist only in your head. Perhaps if you got out more (when we all can), you might be pleasantly surprised at some of our fine establishments. Some serve food, some don't. But just because a public house doesn't serve food, doesn't make it an anachronism. They are full of character, characters, and atmosphere.

The Irish pub is an institution, rightly celebrated worldwide. And there is nothing wrong with that, despite the few like you wishing them into submission. Fortunately, I'll be in one in the not-too-distant future, whilst you'll probably still be posting on Boards.

Kunta Kinte

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I wonder will they open indoor dining for the Spring? Maybe from April 1st? as lots of premises have made big investment in outdoor areas and once the clock changes around 21 March, outdoor areas should be facilitated as they are low risk and will allow people to gradually get themselves back into the social scene.

It would be nice if they could reopen from 21 March.

Clocks will go forward on 28th March and Easter is the weekend after that so if they are allowed to open in the spring that would be the most likely time for it. For outdoor areas much will depend on what type of weather we have by then as well.

El_Duderino 09

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Clocks will go forward on 28th March and Easter is the weekend after that so if they are allowed to open in the spring that would be the most likely time for it. For outdoor areas much will depend on what type of weather we have by then as well.

If anything they’ll probably wait until after Easter. If they allow travel for Easter then I’ll plan to have Christmas with my family at Easter (I couldn’t see any of them over Christmas) and I imagine lots of people will do likewise. Easter would be a super spreader event.

Most likely to ease restrictions after Easter unless things are going brilliantly and they can afford a spike in transmission after Easter.

PTH2009

A summer when you go into a pub for a pint only not have a big burger or fish in front of you

Kunta Kinte

PTH2009 wrote: »

A summer when you go into a pub for a pint only not have a big burger or fish in front of you

I don`t understand this post. When do you think that might be? Summer 2021?

Pcgamer

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The people are bringing this about, not Leo and co.


Most people no longer want to visit dark and smelly pubs, where the only food is a pack of dry roasted peanuts. These watering holes are becoming few and far between.



This country is finally having a reckoning with it's dangerous attitude to alcohol and thankfully the side of moderation is winning out.


Young people are rejecting the notion that their weekend should be spent on the inside of some delapidated pub that stinks of stale beer and BO - instead they're embracing the outdoors followed by a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Go back to talking about taking dumps with other posters in that after hours thread and comparing the smells of your ****instead of trying to sound sophisticated here.

People enjoy going to all kind of pubs and doesn't matter if they serve food or not or if its a dive pub.

dominatinMC

PTH2009 wrote: »

A summer when you go into a pub for a pint only not have a big burger or fish in front of you

I can almost taste the Guinness!

Cans, bottles, growlers, whatever you choose, nothing can beat a well poured, fresh pint

PTH2009

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

I don`t understand this post. When do you think that might be? Summer 2021?

Hoping it will be summer 2021,Not holding my breath and more than likely we might get food pubs only again.

Anyones guess really

FlubberJones

Drinking more than I ever was when pubs were open, I'm looking forward to them being available again just to drink LESS!

I tended to have a few pints and head back to the house whereas now I just get the fridge full and have plenty to keep supping.

But.... I just miss the chilled atmosphere of a decent bar, a good barman / lady and the sport on the box... Roll on Summertime.

El_Duderino 09

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hoping it will be summer 2021,Not holding my breath and more than likely we might get food pubs only again.

Anyones guess really

When the weather warms up it’ll be likely. Beer gardens, doors and windows open. Very likely they will be allowed to open with distancing and masks when it warms up and the numbers go right back down.

Not ideal but better than nothing and would be subject to numbers rising again at the end of the year.

ShooterSF

FlubberJones wrote: »

Drinking more than I ever was when pubs were open, I'm looking forward to them being available again just to drink LESS!

I tended to have a few pints and head back to the house whereas now I just get the fridge full and have plenty to keep supping.

But.... I just miss the chilled atmosphere of a decent bar, a good barman / lady and the sport on the box... Roll on Summertime.

I've probably consumed as much, but nicely spread out. I don't have to drive anywhere as my college is online and the bar I work in is closed so I can go continental and have a beer or two at lunch an odd day. Strange but its kinda nice in a very taboo type of way.

Dickie10

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The people are bringing this about, not Leo and co.


Most people no longer want to visit dark and smelly pubs, where the only food is a pack of dry roasted peanuts. These watering holes are becoming few and far between.



This country is finally having a reckoning with it's dangerous attitude to alcohol and thankfully the side of moderation is winning out.


Young people are rejecting the notion that their weekend should be spent on the inside of some delapidated pub that stinks of stale beer and BO - instead they're embracing the outdoors followed by a nice meal and a glass of wine.

Yea, its good to see if that really is the case, i wouldnt be in too many of those type of pubs tbh, and i drink every weekend in normal times, but the places i go seem full of people from 17-60 and they dont serve food at all. There still packed each weekend. I suppose your linking problem drinking with a certain type of older, dillapadated pub? surely there would be less problem drinkers in these? for one why would many be attratacted in to them so if theres a small few in them social problems relating to alchol would be few and far between. I would imagine there more social problems after kicking out time in coppers , flannerys etc. and around temple bar than these older pubs. I think we have some problems with alcohol in this country but no more or worse than any where else on the British Isles its just in our DNA. I would actually say Britaian is worse. We still have a good cohort of pioneers in this country. I believe the real root cause of problem drinking is people drinking at home and buying alcohol in local shops and supermarkets, the vast majority of alcoholics are not in a pub every day/night of the week , they are in at home drinking , particularly female alcoholics. Thats where we need to target. Pubs of all shpes and sizes will be part and parcel of Irish Life for a long time. I wonder why the OP dislikes that type of pub so much? why would it bother you ? you can go through life never having to experience such a place if you wish.

fin12

I think the pubs will be open after Easter.

I think hotels could be open before that.

Drifter50

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The people are bringing this about, not Leo and co.


Most people no longer want to visit dark and smelly pubs, where the only food is a pack of dry roasted peanuts. These watering holes are becoming few and far between.



This country is finally having a reckoning with it's dangerous attitude to alcohol and thankfully the side of moderation is winning out.


Young people are rejecting the notion that their weekend should be spent on the inside of some delapidated pub that stinks of stale beer and BO - instead they're embracing the outdoors followed by a nice meal and a glass of wine.

i think you are badly misjudging the way things are. There are 7 pubs in my locality, 4 traditional and 3 food pubs. All of them are busy with under 35`s who are there to have a few scoops, grab a bite to eat, watch the footie, meet mates etc. Generally living their lives. Whatever about embracing the outdoors, I don`t think you would be popular to suggest the wine bar alternative to the clientele of the pubs I know

PTH2009

wine bar type culture is not my cup of tea

no pints only overpriced 330ml bottles of Peroni/Tiger and the likes
no tvs with sport on
bland enough menus
early close times
preachy hipster poetry/acoustic gigs

Id take the pub experience instead thank you

fin12

PTH2009 wrote: »

wine bar type culture is not my cup of tea

no pints only overpriced 330ml bottles of Peroni/Tiger and the likes
no tvs with sport on
bland enough menus
early close times
preachy hipster poetry/acoustic gigs

Id take the pub experience instead thank you

The same bottle of ale from an off license costs €3, €7.50 for same bottle in hotel bar. Absolute rip off.

SteM

I've drunk in some oddball places but never anywhere that that had hipster poetry in the background! Must be some weird establishments in Waterford.

doublejobbing 2

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40207484.html

Under the new timeline, three categories of people will have received their vaccines by the end of March — residents/staff in nursing homes, frontline healthcare workers, over-70s.

By the end of June, the following groups will be vaccinated:

Other healthcare workers.
Those aged 55 to 69.
Key workers and those in crowded environments.
Those with chronic illnesses.
Education workers

Ireland's pubs were open, in various forms, from June 29th to October 6th.

If we count deaths starting from two weeks after June 29th, 83 deaths are logged up until early October. 104 are logged for the rest of October, attributable to community spread caused primarily by the reopening of schools and colleges, whose attendees all largely caught the virus due to it being reimported from the UK, Spain, the US and Eastern Europe, due to a complete and deliberate failure of the government and NPHET to enforce any sort of restrictions.

These of course are not even mostly Covid deaths. They are deaths where Covid was in the system. They are deaths of people who by and large were on death's door anyway. Over half of these people were over 83 years old from memory. NPHET won't give you the number of how many relatively fit and reasonably healthy and active OAP's died directly from Covid between July and late October because it wouldn't fit their narrative. Of keeping the public, particularly the elderly, afraid of their own shadow.

In four months, three of which the pubs were open, 187 people died with Covid in their system. By the end of March, everyone over 70 is scheduled to be vaccinated if they consent, along with the health staff they interact with.

Simply put- if we plodded along with the level we were in from July to October, BUT had all but sealed off foreign travel, there seems little reason to deduce that deaths with Covid in the system would have actually been LOWER than the 187 per 4 months we saw in mid to late 2020. Reason being, only a miniscule amount of those 187 people caught the virus via it being contracted in a pub setting. Nearly all caught it from a chain of events that began from July to October with a Spanish holiday, a returning emigrant from London, a Romanian meat plant worker who was home on holiday. We would have been back to a level where "wet pubs" could trade unabated, with distancing in place.


Tony Holohan is still trying to claim with a degree of seriousness that our 9 cases per day in June to 8000 per day in December was 98 percent down to organic growth unrelated to travel. Despite the UK variant comprising 25% of cases.



If this nonsense goes on after the April BH weekend, or if they don't allow us back in the two weekends before it but after paddy's day *, even surely the most pro government loon will have to see this whole charade for what it was. An attempt to break our culture, to make us like our European "betters".

Ireland also play Serbia at home on March 24th. If the vaccines are up to schedule it would be hard to see why a few thousand wouldn't be allowed in (although I think that is actually UEFA's call, and then would require gov approval)

doublejobbing 2

Tenzor07 wrote: »

maybe a few larger Wetherspoons will open would be the best we can hope for...

Surprisingly given how gung ho their CEO Tim Martin was about challenging the UK lockdown, my only trip to Spoons post Irish lockdown was undoubtetly the worst of the year, in that they were the only pub that to a T kept to the law.

Every other pub I went to gave some leeway. Some didn't insist on the meal. Some let us order the cheapest piece of food/ soup going for a fiver. Most didn't enforce the time rule unless there was a follow up booking (usually booked for 7pm so you could chance staying til closing)

Spoons unfortunately had nothing for a square 9 euro, wouldn't accept a cheaper order and the till had our table cut off by a timer system after the 1hr 45.

I like Spoons but I wouldn't touch it until the ridiculous limits are fully removed. I suppose you can't blame them, the local pubs would love to get an excuse to harm their licence.