Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

beachhead

Getting all the various interest groups vaccinated won't return everything to "normal". There are enough rule breakers?? in the community to ensure restrictions well into 2022.At the moment a vaccine is believed to offer 6 mths protection.If,you want to travl your destination country might insist on the full 6 mths immunity.Never ending jabs will be the norm

Charles Babbage

46 Long wrote: »

Don't worry, they'll find something. Tony H will be 'very concerned' again like he was last summer when cases were down to double digits.

Cases increased every week during that period, that is why we are where we are now.

beachhead wrote: »

Getting all the various interest groups vaccinated won't return everything to "normal". There are enough rule breakers?? in the community to ensure restrictions well into 2022.At the moment a vaccine is believed to offer 6 mths protection.If,you want to travl your destination country might insist on the full 6 mths immunity.Never ending jabs will be the norm

There is recent research that a vaccine should last 3 years, at least. By the time travel is really possible in summer some people will have had the vaccine for 6 months, so we'll see.

dominatinMC

beachhead wrote: »

Getting all the various interest groups vaccinated won't return everything to "normal". There are enough rule breakers?? in the community to ensure restrictions well into 2022.At the moment a vaccine is believed to offer 6 mths protection.If,you want to travl your destination country might insist on the full 6 mths immunity.Never ending jabs will be the norm

Are you currently in a pub? Cause that's the kind of incoherent rambling one would expect to hear in there! Ridiculous stuff.

newman10

dominatinMC wrote: »

Are you currently in a pub? Cause that's the kind of incoherent rambling one would expect to hear in there! Ridiculous stuff.

May not be ramblings

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/plan-for-digital-covid-vaccination-passport-1.4458271

Especially if you have a look at the video in this piece

https://freepress.ie/2020/12/professor-luke-oneill-wants-to-get-into-your-childrens-bodies-and-minds/

PS. As someone who is "Medically Impaired" Research is essential

The thing is the longer the government and NPHET keep the pubs closed the more shebeens are going to pop up around the country

mightyreds

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The thing is the longer the government and NPHET keep the pubs closed the more shebeens are going to pop up around the country

Every one and their cousin has a bar out the back now they had nearly a year to build them, I know of 5 in my locality not essentially shebeens but gathering places you BYOB

mightyreds

mightyreds wrote: »

Every one and their cousin has a bar out the back now they had nearly a year to build them, I know of 5 in my locality not essentially shebeens but gathering places you BYOB

I know of a few myself and have visited one a few times over the christmas . The lad has a proper set up. Will keep heading there over the next few weeks/months until the pubs reopen

Bit cynical

cityboyjim wrote: »

If every vulnerable person is vaccinated there should be no covid related deaths surely .

There will still be some covid related deaths. The vaccines greatly reduce harm of the virus but they are not 100% effective.

The other issue is that even if the vaccine completely removed all the harmful effects of the vaccine, people still die and some of those who die will have the now harmless virus and so will be counted as a covid death.

Both of these will be used as arguments to keep pubs closed and the general population under control.

cityboyjim

The thing is the longer the government and NPHET keep the pubs closed the more shebeens are going to pop up around the country

Surely if you live in a housing estate and your a 25 euro away from the craic by taxi it makes sence to have a small bar for your friends with a big screen TV and a Keg of porter on tap and no closing time ,No brainer to me anyway

mightyreds

Not to mention 20 euro for 20 bottles there for a couple of weeks and your already about 100 euro saved vs a pub.

fin12

mightyreds wrote: »

Every one and their cousin has a bar out the back now they had nearly a year to build them, I know of 5 in my locality not essentially shebeens but gathering places you BYOB

I don’t have one and know no one that has one either unfortunately.

But that prob more down to the fact , I don’t own a house.

mightyreds

fin12 wrote: »

I don’t have one and know no one that has one either unfortunately.

But that prob more down to the fact , I don’t own a house.

Just go on the home bar ireland facebook page might see one in your area surprisingly only set up 9 months ago.

fin12

mightyreds wrote: »

Just go on the home bar ireland facebook page might see one in your area surprisingly only set up 9 months ago.

Ya but if I don’t know them , I’m hardly going to get an invite...

mightyreds

fin12 wrote: »

Ya but if I don’t know them , I’m hardly going to get an invite...

True

Eric Cartman

The original intention for closing the pubs was to limit contacts and spread but now its becoming a great data exercise , I'm already betting on the false causality

"with the boozer closed we had less people in A&E, less of x disease , less arrests etc.." you'll have a contraction of licensed premises and some other rules.

Before this pandemic there was a campaign to get a Dublin night mayor, to have venues that could open longer and serve longer , that'll all be undone.

Nightclubs are going to be severely constrained, alcohol at concerts and venues restricted and probably some serious changes to the quantity of and opening hours of the traditional pub.

The end result of this pandemic was never going to be a return to exactly what we had before, but as time goes on the reality of what we will return to looks bleaker and bleaker for those who like a drink.

Dickie10

yea i thought this alright , i am not one for conspiracy theories but the medics get highly excited to think they may reign in our drinking culture, although it wont be as easy as they think and tbh i dont buy into people totally changing their drinking habits, its in irish peoples dna and british too. very little restrictions they can bring in. longer opening hours like europe more likely stop everyone spilling out at the one time

mightyreds

Dickie10 wrote: »

yea i thought this alright , i am not one for conspiracy theories but the medics get highly excited to think they may reign in our drinking culture, although it wont be as easy as they think and tbh i dont buy into people totally changing their drinking habits, its in irish peoples dna and british too. very little restrictions they can bring in. longer opening hours like europe more likely stop everyone spilling out at the one time

I think they will try keep the 11 closing time and when it's time to payback what we borrowed alcohol tax will be hit, reckon we could be paying 10/11 euro for a pint in Dublin( if it's not already last I paid was 7:50) in the not too distant future. Hopefully not though

fin12

I get they couldn’t care less about us Irish enjoying our pubs again but this government love foreigners and tourists above Irish so surely they will want pubs/ nightlife to be open for the tourists or do they just think tourists are happy to come here with no nightlife.

Dickie10

yeah there will be a huge push against anything like that from FG /FF/Labour, they know who butters there bread and its not looney lefts

doublejobbing 2

mightyreds wrote: »

reckon we could be paying 10/11 euro for a pint in Dublin( if it's not already last I paid was 7:50) in the not too distant future. Hopefully not though

7.50!

Standard has climbed to about 6 to 6.20 in recent years.

The government would be unwise not to loosen licensing laws to encourage spending and thus tax intake. If things can get back up and running by May it really will be a summer like Italia 90. It will calm down by January and Feb just like every other year- even Holohan can't be dry arsed enough to think that six months on the lash every weekend will cause any long term damage to most relatively healthy adults.

Not as if half the country isn't drinking more during the week now anyway, a combo of mind numbing depression and a hangover being easier to hide when you're a 3 second walk from your bathroom vs spending all day in a workplace.

El_Duderino 09

Iteration1 wrote: »

The above is an argument well put forward, but I have an issue with the black and white of pubs being non-essential and schools being essential. If the reason you give above for schools being essential is to allow parent continue to work, then the same argument could be made for publicans or bar staff. People seem to have forgotten that schools are not supposed to be free babysitting services. If a couple rely on them for such to make their financial ends meet, then maybe they've over-extended themselves and should look to address that. If they don't have contingencies to bridge the gap during this crisis then they haven't done well at saving. Nobody wants to use their savings to get through such times, but people do not have a right to be compensated when hard times fall and feel no impact. Its up to yourself to plan for such.

You think you could make an argument for pubs being essential? I’d like to hear it if you can.

Schools aren’t supposed to be free childminding, but school happens at roughly the same time as the rest of the 9-5 working world. So it certainly suits the majority of working people. So you know schools also serve the indirect role of allowing parents to work while the children are safe and attend school.

If you can make an argument that pubs should be open because they’re part of the broader economy, which includes the fact that they’re non essential and a great place to spread the virus, then feel free to make it.

El_Duderino 09

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

As loopy as it was to justify last year, how could they possibly keep them open beyond June, when all vulnerable groups are due to be vaccinated?

Or even beyond late March when the highest risk vulnerable are covered?

The mythical Long Covid in young people?

As of yesterday a quarter of the people in hospital with covid in the uk are below 55 years old. So if we vaccinate the vulnerable and then go back to normal, the numbers will skyrocket and the hospitals will be overrun.

I can see the appeal to wanting get back to normal, but the reality is we have to vaccinate pretty much everyone first.

doublejobbing 2

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

As of yesterday a quarter of the people in hospital with covid in the uk are below 55 years old. So if we vaccinate the vulnerable and then go back to normal, the numbers will skyrocket and the hospitals will be overrun.

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Not entirely ack to normal so.

Wet pubs with social distancing.

Pretty much every country in Europe had this going from May until November.

If we start it in April, the herd of the population will be vaccinated before that time period.

There are 2000 people in hospital with Covid here. 1 in 2500 people. When figures go back to the low hundreds the hospital figure, you would expect, what, 1 in 25,000 people?

Figures like this cannot justify continued shutdown.

El_Duderino 09

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Not entirely ack to normal so.

Wet pubs with social distancing.

Pretty much every country in Europe had this going from May until November.

If we start it in April, the herd of the population will be vaccinated before that time period.

There are 2000 people in hospital with Covid here. 1 in 2500 people. When figures go back to the low hundreds the hospital figure, you would expect, what, 1 in 25,000 people?

Figures like this cannot justify continued shutdown.

Yeah it depends on a few things. If these new variants of covid are much more transmissible, then the old restrictions won’t be as effective. Will all the new variants be covered by the vaccine? Let’s hope so.

Nobody is suggesting the vaccine will stop people from carrying and transmitting the virus so that will slow down reopening if that is the case.

In any case, things will probably be fine in Ireland he summer with most businesses open with distancing. The test will be whether they can rollout range vaccine and if everything can stay open next winter when numbers go up again. If the numbers stay reasonably low then, great

doublejobbing 2

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah it depends on a few things. If these new variants of covid are much more transmissible, then the old restrictions won’t be as effective.

Ah the new variant.

All but non existent til the three wise men allowed gobshiets to come from London at Christmas.

Surely criminal negligence charges should be sought against Mehole and Leo?

El_Duderino 09

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Ah the new variant.

All but non existent til the three wise men allowed gobshiets to come from London at Christmas.

Surely criminal negligence charges should be sought against Mehole and Leo?

Phrase it whatever way you want. But it’s here now and there will be more variants. We need to see how they work out. Maybe they’ll be no problem, maybe they’ll be more transmissible and maybe they won’t be cornered by the vaccine. Those three scenarios will lead to very differ outcomes in terms of reopening.

I agree that we should restrict travel. The uk is doing it now and it’s perfectly sensible. What’s happening at the NI border? Presumably if someone wanted to travel to the uk they could fly into dublin and cross the border and then into Britain from there?

dominatinMC

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah it depends on a few things. If these new variants of covid are much more transmissible, then the old restrictions won’t be as effective. Will all the new variants be covered by the vaccine? Let’s hope so.

Nobody is suggesting the vaccine will stop people from carrying and transmitting the virus so that will slow down reopening if that is the case.

In any case, things will probably be fine in Ireland he summer with most businesses open with distancing. The test will be whether they can rollout range vaccine and if everything can stay open next winter when numbers go up again. If the numbers stay reasonably low then, great

The government plan to have the majority of the country vaccinated by then, thus achieving herd immunity. And you're questioning things staying open? We should be living without any restrictions next winter, let alone entertain the idea of closing!
And for the record, encouraging signs that the vaccines do (a) work on the variants and (b) reduce transmission


https://www.thejournal.ie/pfizer-ceo-5323949-Jan2021/

opinionated3

And for the record, encouraging signs that the vaccines do (a) work on the variants and (b) reduce transmission
Correct. Someone also posted an Israeli article on the vaccine forum here, stating that their early research on those vaccinated in their country already, are showing massive increases in antibodies and that they do not carry the virus around i.e the aren't transmitting it in the community.

PTH2009

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-set-to-extend-level-5-restrictions-to-late-february-1.4463199?mode=amp

'It is understood the hospitality sector may not reopen properly until late May or early June. Restaurants and cafes had hoped to be in a position to reopen outdoors in April but this is now being viewed as increasingly unlikely'

'Senior figures in the industry are understood to have recently asked Government if a reopening would be possible after the end of March when the most vulnerable people in the country have been vaccinated against Covid 19 but were told this was not likely'

ffs it's last year all over again, non food pubs again will be targeted and won't open in the summer.

It will be food pubs with time limits and €9 meal again for the summer. The worse thing about it im starting to accept that

opinionated3

Absolutely ridiculous. If the vulnerable and frontline workers are vaccinated open up. Move on. The damage to the economy is shocking. Can't believe how the representative organisations of the various sectors of hospitality are willing to accept this, being forced to sit on 350 euro a week for well over a year.