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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,106 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »

    Can't comment on the FB antitrust things, as I'm not across the background. Other then they bought WhatsApp and IG.

    But Parler haven't a let to stand on with AWS.
    They signed a contract that required a system in place to moderated certain content. (eg illegal content, death treats etc). They were given multiple warnings. said they would look into it, and did nothing. I guess they though AWS would take their money over their T&Cs and called their bluff.

    This is also the reason why Apple removed them from the store. Standard enough, and obvious why apple would have it in place.

    I get unmoderated content is their USP. But sheer incompetence that they didn't think these policy agreements would apply, I don't think the bar to moderation is even very high. Plenty of out there content on AWS. Nothing like boards.ie moderation required for example.

    There are other hosts out there. They'll find a new one. The internet is a big place, and plenty of seedy websites have no trouble finding a host. But I think they'll still some level of supervision if they want to be anyway mainstream.

    Unmoderated anonymous message boards do exist for example. The conspiracy theories stuff is insane but harmless, but they quickly become a breeding ground for extremists, terror attacks, and child porn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭yubabill


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »

    Trump and the Republicans went hard on big tech, but there's also a coalition of interests that wanted him out:

    On the lobbying side, seemingly, Wall St. and all other lobbyists could not get near Trump, even through his surrogates

    On the social side, you have the likes of Soros who openly funded radical lawyers' state AG elections (Kim Gardner is one)

    Then you have the Deep State against him, both neoliberal and neocons.

    He was as independent as you are going to get and he was supported by deplorables, who he actually listened to.

    And I think that's what the whole thing boils down to - nobody wants the working class in charge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    I think one of the reasons the media went against Trump, is simply he was one of them before. He was a no different NYC big businessman,TV Celeb, and Democrat seen enough times with all the media darlings,genuine racists like "Rev" Sharpton and"Rev" Jesse Jackson, who had no problem trousering his donations to the cause and ultimately,we can lay the blame at a certain Wiliam Jefferson Clinton and his witch...er wife... Suggesting to Don that he should run for political office at a political function in the early oughties...

    I think they were expecting him to run as a Democrat, but being a businessman first, he saw a market in the Republican pool...And the rest is history.
    Moral..If you are a democrat luvvie, expect the wrath of God and Satan to be unleashed on you if you ever dare go against the Democratic party.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    If you are white or male or heaven forbid, both, biden doesn't want to know you.

    https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1348403213200990209


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    tudderone wrote: »

    Ironic how those who preach tolerance and equality are so quick to contradict their message:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,106 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Mellor wrote: »
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    What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,106 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.

    If impeached and convicted he likely can’t run again in 4 years.

    It also stops the issue of multiple, last minute, spurious pardons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Mellor wrote: »
    If impeached and convicted he likely can’t run again in 4 years.

    It also stops the issue of multiple, last minute, spurious pardons.

    That pardoning thing is ridiculous in fairness.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    What was the actual point of this?
    Its one last "f**k you" to Trump and since they now have the numbers in both the house and senate it'll gain more traction (still not sure it'll reach the 2/3 majority in the senate).

    They can make sure he [Trump] goes down as a double impeached President. As said above if it goes to vote in the senate and they somehow get the 2/3 majority he'll be prosecuted and barred from holding office. It also gives nancy pelosi the opportunity to be in front of the camera and sign things like the president does because that is where she wants to be, ultimately. Remember the last time she signed the articles of impeachment and had custom pens made and handed out?

    There are a couple of other things i think are both funny and clever about this.

    The funny bit is they have the likes of Eric Salwell serving as impeachment manager, you know the guy that was shagging the chinese spy for years and still sits on the house intelligence committee even after the story broke.

    The clever part by the democratic party is getting the republicans to vote against Trump. They have done some seriously shady stuff, including the very things they accused Trump of doing, but by having ten republicans vote with them and some Republican senators say they would too, they have thrown the republican party into turmoil, put future seats in jeopardy come election time as the trump loyalists vote them out, all the while they [democrats] skip along happily immune from any splash back from their own actions.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Cass wrote: »
    Its one last "f**k you" to Trump and since they now have the numbers in both the house and senate it'll gain more traction (still not sure it'll reach the 2/3 majority in the senate).

    They can make sure he [Trump] goes down as a double impeached President. As said above if it goes to vote in the senate and they somehow get the 2/3 majority he'll be prosecuted and barred from holding office. It also gives nancy pelosi the opportunity to be in front of the camera and sign things like the president does because that is where she wants to be, ultimately. Remember the last time she signed the articles of impeachment and had custom pens made and handed out?

    There are a couple of other things i think are both funny and clever about this.

    The funny bit is they have the likes of Eric Salwell serving as impeachment manager, you know the guy that was shagging the chinese spy for years and still sits on the house intelligence committee even after the story broke.

    The clever part by the democratic party is getting the republicans to vote against Trump. They have done some seriously shady stuff, including the very things they accused Trump of doing, but by having ten republicans vote with them and some Republican senators say they would too, they have thrown the republican party into turmoil, put future seats in jeopardy come election time as the trump loyalists vote them out, all the while they [democrats] skip along happily immune from any splash back from their own actions.

    Two or three of the Republicans are retiring anyway ,so its no skin off their noses if they side on this.The rest are RINOS.One thing is for sure the Republicans cant go back to business as normal post Trump,they have been crapping on their voter base for too long,and it was the reason Trump was elected.If they dont see this,and the fact that they are looking at losing even more base to a now distinct possibility of a 3rd very strong party emerging in US politics,that genuinely espouses conservative values of almost half of the deplorable Americans. They will be in for a very bad time.

    Meantime that senile ol election theif looks like all he is doing is making his presidency into Obama's 3rd term in office without Obama in the WH.
    As well as stuffing it full of anyone with an Irish name in the staff,to pander to us and for the Indo to write gushing articles on how the Irish are in the WH again...Pass the puke bucket please!!!

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »

    Think we were here before with this kind of stuff in Germany in the 1930s?Didnt work out too well.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Shoes on the other foot now!
    The senile fraud at his Quotebiggest rally sofar of 1000 people unquote trying to laugh it off.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481122-biden-responds-to-gop-senators-impeachment-warning

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Dear NRA Members & Supporters:

    Today, the NRA announced a restructuring plan that positions us for the long-term and ensures our continued success as the nation’s leading advocate for constitutional freedom – free from the toxic political environment of New York.

    The plan can be summed up quite simply: We are DUMPING New York, and we are pursuing plans to reincorporate the NRA in Texas.

    To facilitate the strategic plan and restructuring, the NRA and one of its subsidiaries have filed voluntary chapter 11 petitions in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Northern District of Texas, Dallas Division. As you may know, chapter 11 proceedings are often utilized by businesses, nonprofits and organizations of all kinds to streamline legal and financial affairs.

    Under the plan, the NRA will continue what we’ve always done – confronting anti-gun, anti-self-defense and anti-hunting activities and promoting constitutional advocacy that helps law-abiding Americans. Our work will continue as it always has. No major changes are expected to the NRA’s operations or workforce.

    Importantly, our plans do not impact your membership at any level.

    NRA supporters will continue to enjoy all their full member benefits – from new members to Life Members to Benefactor Members. We will continue to publish and deliver your magazines. We will continue to train Americans and teach them firearm safety. We will continue to teach hunter safety. But most importantly, we will continue to fight for your freedom and the freedom of all Americans – as we have for all these years. In fact, we are expanding our national platform.

    The plan aims to streamline costs and expenses, proceed with pending litigation in a coordinated and structured manner, and realize many financial and strategic advantages.

    You know that our opponents will try to seize upon this news and distort the truth. Don’t believe what you read from our enemies. The NRA is not “bankrupt” or “going out of business.” The NRA is not insolvent. We are as financially strong as we have been in years.

    But they know today’s announcement makes us bigger, stronger and more prepared for the fight for freedom.

    We are leaving the state of an attorney general who, just a few months ago, vowed to put us out of business through an abuse of legal and regulatory power. In fact, the gross overreach of the New York Attorney General and New York Governor has been resoundingly criticized by powerful national groups like the ACLU and a host of prominent legal scholars.

    Subject to court approval, the NRA is pursuing plans to reincorporate in the State of Texas. The Lone Star State is home to more than 400,000 NRA Members and the site of our 2021 Annual Meeting being held in Houston.

    Texas values the contributions of the NRA, celebrates our law-abiding members, and joins us as a partner in upholding constitutional freedom.

    Under this plan, we seek protection from New York officials who illegally abused and weaponized the powers they wield against the NRA and its members. You can be assured the Association will continue the fight to protect your interests in New York – and all forums where the NRA is unlawfully singled out for its Second Amendment advocacy.

    This plan represents a pathway to opportunity, growth and progress.

    This is the most transformational moment in the history of the NRA. And it involves all of you.

    The NRA will continue to promote its Second Amendment advocacy, sponsor firearms training, and work with its network of instructors and volunteers in furtherance of its mission. This plan actually streamlines all of the NRA’s activities and improves our operational processes.

    I know we have welcomed many of you to our headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia. We have no immediate plans to relocate, but we are forming a special committee to explore our strategic options in this regard. We want to determine if there are advantages to relocating our HQ operations to another state. I have asked our leadership team to explore all options that benefit the NRA and its members.

    What’s most important is leading the fight for Second Amendment freedom and serving our members. We will do that from anywhere that works best for you and for our cause.

    All membership dues and financial donations will be fully dedicated to supporting our operations and public advocacy. This plan actually improves our business. It protects us from costly, distracting and unprincipled attacks from anti-2A politicians aimed at attacking the NRA because we are a potent political force. We know that the gun ban lobby will never stop – fueled by a hatred of your freedoms and by wealthy benefactors. Our plan is the best way to confront them.

    We are now prepared for a better future. In fact, to me, it feels like the dawn of a new day.

    We are revitalized, well-positioned, and steadfast in our commitment to fight for you. To learn more, please visit www.nra.org/forward.

    Thank you for your unwavering spirit and being part of the NRA’s future. Both hold incredible promise for our country – and the freedoms in which it believes.

    Wayne LaPierre
    Wayne LaPierre

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    I reckon the NRA is finished in America. Wayne La Pierre was using it as his personal bank, and was only using it to make money selling crap, rather than actually fighting for his membership.

    GOA is what most Americans are supporting now i think. Plus the scalp of the NRA would be a great trophy for the new lot in the white house "Lookie at what we can do, we took down the NRA" - Harris, AOC etc.




  • Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭tomtucker81


    What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.

    A few things happen if the impeachment is successful.
    He loses the right to ever run again for election. He loses the Presidents pension. (no sweat for him)
    He loses the former President security detail.
    And as said, it stops any last minute pardons from having effect.
    It then leaves him open to prosecution for actions taken- the incitement of the crowd to storm the Capital.

    The first few points are largely symbolic, he's not going to be stuck for the pension money nor short to get his own security.
    I believe the last point is what's really sought. For the same reason the 25th being invoked would have handed Trump an instant defence to any criminal charges or impeachment- not of sound mind.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    I cannot find an answer online so any ideas? Why is the national guard being deployed if its a virtual inauguration and no people can get tickets and are being told to stay away?

    If 10,000, 100,000 or 1,000,000 turn up will it be ok because its biden?
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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Tradition...It's how you swear dictators in,in any 3rd world tinpot dictatorship:rolleyes:.
    Apprently they are worried that "armed patriots" are planning an insurrection on all 50 state Capitals as well as DC,on Biden's dictator crowning day.

    Seeing that there is now proof that ANTIFA was involved in the Capitol attack, one of them even with an embedded CNN reporter and another Daniel Allan Baker who trained in Syria with YPK, financed by Soros, has admitted to planning to kill Trump supporters and police at the riots.
    So probably that's why they have dumped 10K worth of weekend warriors into DC. Worried about another false flag event.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    A few things happen if the impeachment is successful.
    He loses the right to ever run again for election. He loses the Presidents pension. (no sweat for him)
    He loses the former President security detail.
    And as said, it stops any last minute pardons from having effect.
    It then leaves him open to prosecution for actions taken- the incitement of the crowd to storm the Capital.

    The first few points are largely symbolic, he's not going to be stuck for the pension money nor short to get his own security.
    I believe the last point is what's really sought. For the same reason, the 25th being invoked would have handed Trump an instant defence to any criminal charges or impeachment- not of sound mind.

    Except the whole thing is now just a show by the Dems. Pence wrote to Pelosi and said he isn't doing this as it will just aggravate things further if there was an impeachment, and plus the fact the Senate can only take it up on the 21st of Jan when Trump is now a civilian again and unimpeachable.

    Also, it then sets a precedent if they were to push it to try and impeach him as a civilian, that then Barrack Obama and Killary Clinton could also be impeached for their handling of Benghazi were 3 Americans lost their lives.

    The main reason they want this is, so he can never run again for office as president in 4 years time.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


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    2020 CZ to Colt "How much do you want for this fire distressed sale of a former mighty company?"

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    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Except the whole thing is now just a show by the Dems. Pence wrote to Pelosi and said he isn't doing this as it will just aggravate things further if there was an impeachment, and plus the fact the Senate can only take it up on the 21st of Jan when Trump is now a civilian again and unimpeachable.

    Also, it then sets a precedent if they were to push it to try and impeach him as a civilian, that then Barrack Obama and Killary Clinton could also be impeached for their handling of Benghazi were 3 Americans lost their lives.

    The main reason they want this is, so he can never run again for office as president in 4 years time.

    I doubt he would bother anyway, he would be heading for 80 years of age.

    Also i see the prime minister of Poland has said if these media sites like facebook twitter etc try and censor the Polish he will kick them out. I am sure this has been richly and comprehensively reported on , on RTE ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/poland-plans-to-make-censoring-of-social-media-accounts


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,946 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    2 million euro per week fine from the Polish govt if any social media removes a post or blocks a poster.Be interesting to see as FB is in Ireland and come under Irish law I believe to have to deal with this?

    Be the same age as the future sniffer in cheif in 4 ...IF he decides to run again..I'd tip on Pompero being the next choice. Seems to be doing Trojan work on pulling stuff down for ol sniffer to have to fix in his first 100days.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Reading some stories, from main stream media outlets in case anyone thinks its social media nonsense, and the stuff biden is doing and planning and he hasn't even got into office yet is scary.
    • Pushing congress to grant $10,000 relief, per student, for all student loan
    • Gun registration
    • Tax on each gun and magazine (up to $200 per)
    • Grant NY an additional $2 BILLION aid (which Trump denied because of Cuomo's bad handling of finances)
    He is not alone either. Democrats have also submitted bills for:
    • The banning of certain types of guns
    • Full registration of all guns (same as biden)
    • Push for businesses to reopen to try recover the economy (what they called "mindless murder" a few weeks ago under Trump)

    All of this on the back of pelosi admitting that democrats, her specifically, held up relief aid to Americans for 8 months as a political move.

    Going to be an interesting two years.
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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Back home i notice how FG gave membership back to some the golfgate gang. Slipped that one in nicely without too much fuss.

    That is the trouble with these times. The chinese virus is being as an excuse to pass legislation as well as other things without proper consultation because, safety, and stuff. That on top of the "i don't have to answer to you" attitude shown by senior ministers.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Cass wrote: »
    Reading some stories, from main stream media outlets in case anyone thinks its social media nonsense, and the stuff biden is doing and planning and he hasn't even got into office yet is scary.
    • Pushing congress to grant $10,000 relief, per student, for all student loan
    • Gun registration
    • Tax on each gun and magazine (up to $200 per)
    • Grant NY an additional $2 BILLION aid (which Trump denied because of Cuomo's bad handling of finances)
    He is not alone either. Democrats have also submitted bills for:
    • The banning of certain types of guns
    • Full registration of all guns (same as biden)
    • Push for businesses to reopen to try recover the economy (what they called "mindless murder" a few weeks ago under Trump)

    All of this on the back of pelosi admitting that democrats, her specifically, held up relief aid to Americans for 8 months as a political move.

    Going to be an interesting two years.

    What guns are they trying to ban? Just ARs and AKs or what?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Shiela Jackson (jackass ?) Lee has five gun control bills coming up in the next few weeks. Biden has said he will act on gun control on day one, getting Beto O'Rourke on the case :rolleyes:.

    He wants to reenact the Clinton Assault weapons ban, and make manufacturers liable for crimes committed with their products. I wonder will he be making car manufacturers liable for people doing getaways, or computer manufacturers liable for online fraud scams ?




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