Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Err No BELLWEATHER counties are counties that are used as predictors of how an election will go. Much different to battleground states. Now,you can debate are they as scientific as using a groundhog to predict when Spring will come on a certain day...But they have been accurate over the last century. Strange that Trump won all 17 of 18 of them.

He current bellweather counties have not been going 100 years. It's counted from 1980, as they almost all got the 1976 election wrong too. The fact is It happens. Especially in a highly polarised election. Hillary won 14 bellweathers.

If anything, if there was fraud in states with Bellweathers, it would carry to the results and they're streak would continue.

Biden was a huge favourite with MSM...Same as Hillary was in 2016 and they were wrong on Hillary...Ask Dennis O Brien on his lost 6million in Hillarys war chest,as they were on their so-called "Blue wave " in Congress.Not one Republican was defeated. What people do with their money is hardly revelant to the whole discussion.if people want to bet thats their win or loss.

Media Polls have never been very accurate. They most missed last time, then mostly right this time.
I don't think there is much data to be taken from CCN predicted Blue, and Fox predicting red....every single time.

The betting market has no agenda however. This election was officially the most bet on event of all time. That's a pretty massive live poll, that it's bias or attempting to sway, it's simply the little guy's $$$ backed opinion.
It put Biden at a slight, 62% favourite. I think that accurately matches the results.

Ok ..Unless you are a US constitutional lawyer, specialising in the electoral act, this point will be about as useful as two bald men arguing over a better brand of a hairbrush if we get into it. There is so much opinion both pro and anti-that point as to whether the VP has this power to rescind votes to the states that it will be a Thunder dome debate. One of the problems in this is the founders never discussed this in any detail as to this situation occuring,and as it has never occurred before this particular type of situation and the jury will be long out on whether the VP did thave the power or not to do this under the act.

As Above...Open to interpertation yes/no by much wiser legal heads than ours.

I'm not asking you to argue the text of the laws, or interpret them.
I'm asking you to point to any one of these wiser legal heads that says he has, or may have the power to do it. I have seen nobody claim that. I've point out multiple experts who said the opposite.
(I'm not claiming to read every opinion out there, obviously)

It has never happened until now,and there is no precedent for a situation forwhat has happened in the 20 election.

You literally said it have happen, more than once and there was precedent for the VP to do it.
Bit of a reversal there.

But if Harper Collins is saying "We welcome all manuscripts as we believe in freedom of publishing all views irrespective, but will only publish total scripts on Incest and Satanismand or heavily censor any scripts on voodoo and grave robbing" Which is what FB is doing along with now pushing to be the only voice on social media thru its affiliate companies.

If Harper Colins said that it would of course be silly.
Facebook is media. What exactly that means has changed over it's lifetime.
He was taking money for fakenews ads at one point, that he knew was fake. It's was a data aggregator that amassed a stagger amount of public profiling, for sale of course.
It's not a wholesome company there to up hold rights.

As I said, I want reasonably free expression. I'm ok if certain things are not ok, the obvious stuff.
Expression isn't a valid excuse for harassment.

And I certainly don't agree with totalitarian censorship.
But I also don't think it's ok for an elected official to willing lie to the people. All officials.
That's literally Kim Jong Ung playbook.
I'm ok if there was some other recourse than deplatforming.

Obviously gone now and the account suspended/closed.Unfortunately ,for him the there is face recognition and screen saving out there.

How would it?

If anyone seen the video, it would have be saved within seconds and then it's viral
AFAIK the website is fully public.

As they always do. Even to the fact each and every room are wired for sound and movies I can tell you that from personal experience...Another chapter in the memoirs.
Trouble is; I wasn't that as an important target as the then VP's idiot son whose dad might one day be president, who ignored every known security briefing on being compromised and was negligent with his electronics.

Each room wired for video. But none of these videos are online? Yet, not being online is the reason it doesn't exist.

My point was that you choose to believe that the Hunter stories are true, that the video existed on a publicly accessible website. But was deleted from the entire internet before anyone made a copy.
But you choose to believe the Trump video didn't exist in the hands of a secret intelligence agency, because it is not been shared all over the internet.

That's just two completely polarising levels of acceptance. Bit silly to do that, and complain about double standards in the same post.

FWIW I don't know if either videos existed. However, I do know that one posted on a video sharing website is a lot hard to conceal that one in the hands of the FSB.

Blackmail becomes useless when the blackmailed reaches a position of power to refute the blackmailer or turns the tables on them by saying EG "yeah I did it so what? Gimme a copy of the video, I'm actually quite kinky and I want it to show my missus,as she's into this as well..".
IOW it was useless once Trump became president, except to throw some dirt, that once the collusion with Russia tribunal fell flat on its face due to zero evidence worth mentioning.

So it become useless to the Russians after he was in power? Ok.
Doesn't that counter the earlier claim that it didn't exist because it wasn't posted to throw dirt.

Whether it exists or not doesn't affect my point btw.

BattleCorp

tudderone wrote: »

I don't know to be honest, it must be the numbers of people actually testing positive for the lurgy. 5 people tested positive in my sisters office, yet still the managers won't allow working from home :rolleyes:. With willful obstinacy like that is it any surprise the thing is running amok ?

Stupidity really.

I wonder will there be many personal injury cases taken by people who caught COVID-19 after they were forced to work in an office when there was credible alternatives?

BattleCorp

Cass wrote: »

So what are the guidelines now. If you are Asymptomatic do you give it a couple of days and return to work, or self isolate never knowing if you have it or not?

I'd love to know what COVID-19 training was provided to the guy who turned up to work when he knew he had the virus? The thickest person around knows that if you have the virus, you should be isolating.

The guidelines now are the same as before for close contacts. All of those guys will have to restrict their movements for 14 days. That means no work, no shops etc.

On one hand i understand the need to prioritize testing, but on the other the young lad and all the others will have two options:

1. Self isolate, possibly loosing their jobs as a result, and never know if they have/had it then return to work.
   
2. Don't isolate, and return to work to either be "immune" or risk catching it (at which point they may still be Asymptomatic or start to show symptoms).

Even if those guys were tested, and came back negative, they would still have to restrict their movements for 14 days. Them's the rules.

BTW they were told a free test would not be provided but they can go and pay for a private test in about three to four weeks. So money aside it presents the same problems, and they must break lockdown to travel (through three counties) while being "Schrodinger's" patient.

Doesn't matter what tests they have (private/HSE), if you are a close contact and test negative, you still have to restrict movements for 14 days.

yubabill

I just want to say this for the record:

There's a lot of crazy stuff being said on the net about Trump/Biden and the election/inauguration.

I personally think that there was a lot of stuff that went on during the election that needs to be investigated if the US is going to be able to claim to have had a transparent election

BUT I also think that there is going to be a peaceful transition on 20 Jan to a Biden administration.

We all criticise the MSM and big tech from time to time, but I feel that the reason they are pushing Biden so hard all the time and dismissing claims of election fraud is that they know how dirty and Machiavellian politics can be.

I believe that claims of election fraud should be pursued to the nth degree for as long as necessary, until either proven or disproven, but in the process, democratic norms should be observed.

Now, all the internet purges/no-fly/banking suspensions/withdrawal of political donations etc. are a bit much, but I think that these will backfire.

I needed to say that just to organise my thoughts and eke out a middle course for myself in all the confusion.

BattleCorp

Before I go any further, I'm stating that I'm not a Trump fan. I think he's not a good President. Anyway......

I got fleeced in another thread for saying that I don't think it's a good thing that the tech companies are deplatforming and preventing Trump from raising funds.

It's one thing to have Corporate America decide who they want to give funding to, and I'm fine with that. Private industry can back who they like with their own money. But it's another thing for companies like Stripe/GoFundMe to decide to stop processing payments from people who want to donate to Trump's cause.

I was hit with arguments like they are private companies (FB/Twitter/Stripe etc.) and can do business with whoever they like but people aren't taking into account that these companies have pretty much morphed into Utilities providers and can't really be done without if you want to have a successful political career. Good luck getting elected if you don't have a social media presence. It' ain't going to happen.

The gay cake bakery was also brought up. And that's fine, if you don't want to bake gay cakes, then don't. But this isn't a good example because they aren't similar situations. The bakery didn't cook gay cakes for anyone. They didn't cook some gay cakes and then refused to cook gay cakes for others. It would be a similar situation if Stripe/GoFundMe didn't allow anybody to donate to any political causes but that's not what happened.

People are saying that Trump deserves it, and maybe that is so but that shouldn't be for private companies to decide. If Trump broke the law, let him be prosecuted and if/when he is convicted, then maybe take action.

Today it's Trump they are deplatforming/preventing funding etc. Who will it be tomorrow?

Cass

yubabill wrote: »

We all criticise the MSM and big tech from time to time, but I feel that the reason they are pushing Biden so hard all the time and dismissing claims of election fraud is that they know how dirty and Machiavellian politics can be.

More likely that the Biden transition team is stacked with big tech people and the four largest companies are silently pushing for permanent, government, positions for these and more of their [big tech] people.

Now, all the internet purges/no-fly/banking suspensions/withdrawal of political donations etc. are a bit much, but I think that these will backfire.

For a while as is the case today with Google, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook loosing between $5 to $34 BILLION in share value and its still dropping.

However that won't last and until some real progress is made in stripping these companies of the, frankly unGodly, powers they seem to be able to wield nothing will change.

They control the majority of the information, what you see, how you see it and can easily influence election outcomes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v6KBGr5IzY

Mellor

BattleCorp wrote: »

I was hit with arguments like they are private companies (FB/Twitter/Stripe etc.) and can do business with whoever they like but people aren't taking into account that these companies have pretty much morphed into Utilities providers and can't really be done without if you want to have a successful political career.

Stripe are a single payments company. They are one of many I don’t think they are a big player overall, easy to replace.

The gay cake bakery was also brought up. And that's fine, if you don't want to bake gay cakes, then don't. But this isn't a good example because they aren't similar situations. The bakery didn't cook gay cakes for anyone. They didn't cook some gay cakes and then refused to cook gay cakes for others. It would be a similar situation if Stripe/GoFundMe didn't allow anybody to donate to any political causes but that's not what happened.

Your framing it incorrectly.
It’s not gay cakes = donations. It’s just cakes.

Bakery made cakes for lots of people. But refused cakes with a gay message, as they didn’t agree with it.

Stripe are processing payments for most. But they’re choosing not to do business with those they disagree with.

I think that’s actually a good example where people where ok with a company providing a service selectively. Obviously different scales.

Another good example is the thousands of Chinese accounts closed on Twitter as they were state propaganda agents. I don’t remember anyone complaining about their right to spread lies.

People are saying that Trump deserves it, and maybe that is so but that shouldn't be for private companies to decide. If Trump broke the law, let him be prosecuted and if/when he is convicted, then maybe take action.

The really odd part, is that after the 2016 election the dems were pushing gov regulation. But the GOP were pushing for FB and whoever to decide for themselves.

Parler effectively gone for now too. If you going to run a unmoderated website. Don’t sign up to a contract that requires you to moderate
It will find a new host. But I can’t see lasting with the current free for all, as it will just attract the illegal content.

tudderone

I was watching this last night. People say media hosting is a free market, where if you don't want to be on one platform, or are removed from that platform, then go somewhere else. The trouble is where do you go ? A huge amount of shooting channels left Youtube for Parler, and what happens ? Its effectively closed. Doing a search revels nothing on Google. So the free market isn't a free market.

When you see Merkel and other European leaders complain about Trumps treatment on Facebook (owned by zukerberg, a biden supporter) or twitter etc, ther must be something to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev__j30ZRTw

tudderone

"We will terrorise you until you do what we want", it about sums it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2utv5bad3A

Grizzly 45

Wonder has this got a lot to do with things in the current state of affairs? Been rather under reported in Ireland....Wonder why?

Zuckerbergs empire is also under investigation for antitrust breaches in the law.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/09/facebook-antitrust-state-attorneys-general/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMYb6CHr2802Cyi9-8ldfVjE4-_i3OwrIkhembe2GqELqit8E0jKf1DEjw2PjpzxIGRKyVtGfuhpdYFx5cMSJcABIBOyTHR6UyNAKe4eYqK8drbkQxMKlrRQD1uRVy-4F0w4WCZJZVzngYwvE5JVohRp5-HOgD9IdB0epw3eId0W

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/06/facebook-google-antitrust-investigations-explained

Seems also that Parler is kicking back at Amazon for breach of contract and anti trust as well.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252494666/Parler-sues-AWS-for-anti-trust-and-breach-of-contract-after-Amazon-public-cloud-ban-takes-it-offline

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wonder has this got a lot to do with things in the current state of affairs? Been rather under reported in Ireland....Wonder why?

Zuckerbergs empire is also under investigation for antitrust breaches in the law.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/09/facebook-antitrust-state-attorneys-general/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMYb6CHr2802Cyi9-8ldfVjE4-_i3OwrIkhembe2GqELqit8E0jKf1DEjw2PjpzxIGRKyVtGfuhpdYFx5cMSJcABIBOyTHR6UyNAKe4eYqK8drbkQxMKlrRQD1uRVy-4F0w4WCZJZVzngYwvE5JVohRp5-HOgD9IdB0epw3eId0W

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/06/facebook-google-antitrust-investigations-explained

Seems also that Parler is kicking back at Amazon for breach of contract and anti trust as well.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252494666/Parler-sues-AWS-for-anti-trust-and-breach-of-contract-after-Amazon-public-cloud-ban-takes-it-offline

No wonder Zuckerberg and Gates are cosying up to Biden.

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Seems also that Parler is kicking back at Amazon for breach of contract and anti trust as well.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252494666/Parler-sues-AWS-for-anti-trust-and-breach-of-contract-after-Amazon-public-cloud-ban-takes-it-offline

Can't comment on the FB antitrust things, as I'm not across the background. Other then they bought WhatsApp and IG.

But Parler haven't a let to stand on with AWS.
They signed a contract that required a system in place to moderated certain content. (eg illegal content, death treats etc). They were given multiple warnings. said they would look into it, and did nothing. I guess they though AWS would take their money over their T&Cs and called their bluff.

This is also the reason why Apple removed them from the store. Standard enough, and obvious why apple would have it in place.

I get unmoderated content is their USP. But sheer incompetence that they didn't think these policy agreements would apply, I don't think the bar to moderation is even very high. Plenty of out there content on AWS. Nothing like boards.ie moderation required for example.

There are other hosts out there. They'll find a new one. The internet is a big place, and plenty of seedy websites have no trouble finding a host. But I think they'll still some level of supervision if they want to be anyway mainstream.

Unmoderated anonymous message boards do exist for example. The conspiracy theories stuff is insane but harmless, but they quickly become a breeding ground for extremists, terror attacks, and child porn.

yubabill

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wonder has this got a lot to do with things in the current state of affairs? Been rather under reported in Ireland....Wonder why?

Zuckerbergs empire is also under investigation for antitrust breaches in the law.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/09/facebook-antitrust-state-attorneys-general/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMYb6CHr2802Cyi9-8ldfVjE4-_i3OwrIkhembe2GqELqit8E0jKf1DEjw2PjpzxIGRKyVtGfuhpdYFx5cMSJcABIBOyTHR6UyNAKe4eYqK8drbkQxMKlrRQD1uRVy-4F0w4WCZJZVzngYwvE5JVohRp5-HOgD9IdB0epw3eId0W

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/06/facebook-google-antitrust-investigations-explained

Seems also that Parler is kicking back at Amazon for breach of contract and anti trust as well.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252494666/Parler-sues-AWS-for-anti-trust-and-breach-of-contract-after-Amazon-public-cloud-ban-takes-it-offline

Trump and the Republicans went hard on big tech, but there's also a coalition of interests that wanted him out:

On the lobbying side, seemingly, Wall St. and all other lobbyists could not get near Trump, even through his surrogates

On the social side, you have the likes of Soros who openly funded radical lawyers' state AG elections (Kim Gardner is one)

Then you have the Deep State against him, both neoliberal and neocons.

He was as independent as you are going to get and he was supported by deplorables, who he actually listened to.

And I think that's what the whole thing boils down to - nobody wants the working class in charge.

Grizzly 45

I think one of the reasons the media went against Trump, is simply he was one of them before. He was a no different NYC big businessman,TV Celeb, and Democrat seen enough times with all the media darlings,genuine racists like "Rev" Sharpton and"Rev" Jesse Jackson, who had no problem trousering his donations to the cause and ultimately,we can lay the blame at a certain Wiliam Jefferson Clinton and his witch...er wife... Suggesting to Don that he should run for political office at a political function in the early oughties...

I think they were expecting him to run as a Democrat, but being a businessman first, he saw a market in the Republican pool...And the rest is history.
Moral..If you are a democrat luvvie, expect the wrath of God and Satan to be unleashed on you if you ever dare go against the Democratic party.

tudderone

If you are white or male or heaven forbid, both, biden doesn't want to know you.

https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1348403213200990209

tudderone

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1348817652299530240

Munsterlad102

tudderone wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1348817652299530240

Ironic how those who preach tolerance and equality are so quick to contradict their message:D

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzleBqMKdQ

Mellor

Munsterlad102

Mellor wrote: »

What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.

Mellor

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.

If impeached and convicted he likely can’t run again in 4 years.

It also stops the issue of multiple, last minute, spurious pardons.

Feisar

Mellor wrote: »

If impeached and convicted he likely can’t run again in 4 years.

It also stops the issue of multiple, last minute, spurious pardons.

That pardoning thing is ridiculous in fairness.

Cass

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

What was the actual point of this?

Its one last "f**k you" to Trump and since they now have the numbers in both the house and senate it'll gain more traction (still not sure it'll reach the 2/3 majority in the senate).

They can make sure he [Trump] goes down as a double impeached President. As said above if it goes to vote in the senate and they somehow get the 2/3 majority he'll be prosecuted and barred from holding office. It also gives nancy pelosi the opportunity to be in front of the camera and sign things like the president does because that is where she wants to be, ultimately. Remember the last time she signed the articles of impeachment and had custom pens made and handed out?

There are a couple of other things i think are both funny and clever about this.

The funny bit is they have the likes of Eric Salwell serving as impeachment manager, you know the guy that was shagging the chinese spy for years and still sits on the house intelligence committee even after the story broke.

The clever part by the democratic party is getting the republicans to vote against Trump. They have done some seriously shady stuff, including the very things they accused Trump of doing, but by having ten republicans vote with them and some Republican senators say they would too, they have thrown the republican party into turmoil, put future seats in jeopardy come election time as the trump loyalists vote them out, all the while they [democrats] skip along happily immune from any splash back from their own actions.

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

Its one last "f**k you" to Trump and since they now have the numbers in both the house and senate it'll gain more traction (still not sure it'll reach the 2/3 majority in the senate).

They can make sure he [Trump] goes down as a double impeached President. As said above if it goes to vote in the senate and they somehow get the 2/3 majority he'll be prosecuted and barred from holding office. It also gives nancy pelosi the opportunity to be in front of the camera and sign things like the president does because that is where she wants to be, ultimately. Remember the last time she signed the articles of impeachment and had custom pens made and handed out?

There are a couple of other things i think are both funny and clever about this.

The funny bit is they have the likes of Eric Salwell serving as impeachment manager, you know the guy that was shagging the chinese spy for years and still sits on the house intelligence committee even after the story broke.

The clever part by the democratic party is getting the republicans to vote against Trump. They have done some seriously shady stuff, including the very things they accused Trump of doing, but by having ten republicans vote with them and some Republican senators say they would too, they have thrown the republican party into turmoil, put future seats in jeopardy come election time as the trump loyalists vote them out, all the while they [democrats] skip along happily immune from any splash back from their own actions.

Two or three of the Republicans are retiring anyway ,so its no skin off their noses if they side on this.The rest are RINOS.One thing is for sure the Republicans cant go back to business as normal post Trump,they have been crapping on their voter base for too long,and it was the reason Trump was elected.If they dont see this,and the fact that they are looking at losing even more base to a now distinct possibility of a 3rd very strong party emerging in US politics,that genuinely espouses conservative values of almost half of the deplorable Americans. They will be in for a very bad time.

Meantime that senile ol election theif looks like all he is doing is making his presidency into Obama's 3rd term in office without Obama in the WH.
As well as stuffing it full of anyone with an Irish name in the staff,to pander to us and for the Indo to write gushing articles on how the Irish are in the WH again...Pass the puke bucket please!!!

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1348817652299530240

Think we were here before with this kind of stuff in Germany in the 1930s?Didnt work out too well.

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XzmCQUPyTM

Grizzly 45

Shoes on the other foot now!
The senile fraud at his Quotebiggest rally sofar of 1000 people unquote trying to laugh it off.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481122-biden-responds-to-gop-senators-impeachment-warning

Grizzly 45

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tudderone

I reckon the NRA is finished in America. Wayne La Pierre was using it as his personal bank, and was only using it to make money selling crap, rather than actually fighting for his membership.

GOA is what most Americans are supporting now i think. Plus the scalp of the NRA would be a great trophy for the new lot in the white house "Lookie at what we can do, we took down the NRA" - Harris, AOC etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_olHJ8I2kwk

tomtucker81

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

What was the actual point of this? Trump’s leaving office in less than a week, why waste time on an impeachment that does nothing? Politics at its finest, wasting time and money just to look good in the papers.

A few things happen if the impeachment is successful.
He loses the right to ever run again for election. He loses the Presidents pension. (no sweat for him)
He loses the former President security detail.
And as said, it stops any last minute pardons from having effect.
It then leaves him open to prosecution for actions taken- the incitement of the crowd to storm the Capital.

The first few points are largely symbolic, he's not going to be stuck for the pension money nor short to get his own security.
I believe the last point is what's really sought. For the same reason the 25th being invoked would have handed Trump an instant defence to any criminal charges or impeachment- not of sound mind.