M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

Pete_Cavan · 17-12-2019 9:48pm

marno21 wrote: »

Amusing stuff. Save our village from losing the 700 trucks and other heavy vehicles that rattle through the place every day.

Maybe they think that all that traffic is of economic benefit to the town when the truth is those drivers want to get through the place as quickly as possible and have no intention of stopping or spending a penny. The people who would spend money are the locals and are more likely to do so if the place isn't clogged with heavy traffic, as other bypassed towns have discovered.

road_high · 17-12-2019 9:55pm

Could it be the Garden centre /small hotel that are behind this? Only business I can think of that benefits from the passing trade

spacetweek · 17-12-2019 10:00pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

So they're against replacing a road that bypasses the village to the South with another road that bypasses the village to the North? Even though they're getting a totally undeserved motorway junction for their tiny village? Give me strength.

Agreed, if anything they are being treated very generously and their junction is unnecessary really. It was only added to placate them.

pajoguy · 17-12-2019 10:27pm

This project has been delayed by 18 months if not more between officialdom in T.I.I. and the incompetent Minister for Transport. Huge politicial interference to get this village their own interchange and now they are going to attempt to stand in the way of a badly needed upgrade to a road that alresdy bypasses the village. Madness.

road_high · 18-12-2019 12:17am

pajoguy wrote: »

This project has been delayed by 18 months if not more between officialdom in T.I.I. and the incompetent Minister for Transport. Huge politicial interference to get this village their own interchange and now they are going to attempt to stand in the way of a badly needed upgrade to a road that alresdy bypasses the village. Madness.

More like two decades! There’s no secret that Adare was going to be bypassed at some stage (should have been years ago) and that part at least of the current N21 would be bypassed likely linking in with the Rathkeale bypass part. Absolutely outrageous that people in a hamlet of zero significance not even on the mainline N21 would be kicking off. Rentamob stuff just for the sake of it

marno21 · 18-12-2019 5:13pm

Decision due from An Bord Pleanala on 18th June.

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306146.htm

veryangryman · 18-12-2019 5:31pm

marno21 wrote: »

Decision due from An Bord Pleanala on 18th June.

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306146.htm

Was sh1t like this always so slow when the MIUs were being planned. A slowth would have our last few planned roads progressed faster

marno21 · 04-01-2020 1:39pm

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/505667/large-number-of-objections-expected-against-crucial-limerick-road-project.html

marno21 · 07-01-2020 5:30pm

Project Ireland 2040 documents published today suggest that this will go to tender in 2022. That would likely indicate a 2023 start and a 2025/2026 opening

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b701fc-minister-donohoe-publishes-project-ireland-2040-updates-progress-and/

Jayuu · 07-01-2020 6:45pm

marno21 wrote: »

Project Ireland 2040 documents published today suggest that this will go to tender in 2022. That would likely indicate a 2023 start and a 2025/2026 opening

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b701fc-minister-donohoe-publishes-project-ireland-2040-updates-progress-and/

I'm sure they'll want it open by September 2026! :P

marno21 · 10-01-2020 6:30pm

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/507502/construction-of-new-limerick-road-will-see-demolition-of-homes.html

Cookiemunster · 11-01-2020 12:11am

marno21 wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/507502/construction-of-new-limerick-road-will-see-demolition-of-homes.html

Typical BS Leader article.

prunudo · 11-01-2020 8:50am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Typical BS Leader article.

Typical of every infrastructure project lately, locals claim there isn't enough contact with engineers during route selection phase. In other words 'I want to be in the room with them so I ensure it doesn't effect me and screw everyone else'

I would have thought 10 houses for a 450m project was pretty low. And as I've said on other infrastructure threads, we have to accept that there will some collateral damage when it comes to providing these large scale projects. How many people give a seconds thought for the people that were effected as they travel safely along the other inter urbans. It only becomes a concern when it effects their own property.

spacetweek · 11-01-2020 9:55pm

From the article:

"But he reckoned that over 50% of landowners would lodge an objection of some kind with An Bord Pleanála before the deadline of February 14, in the hope of mitigating their own situation or getting some concessions. He estimated only a small few would lodge outright objections."

'Nuff said.

Adare2019 · 14-02-2020 5:56pm

The closing date for submissions on this project is today so I rang An Bord Pleanala to see when they hoped to hold the Oral Hearing. The Oral Hearing for the Galway Bypass starts next week and the SID guys are up the walls. Their best guess is no Oral Hearing until July (or maybe September). My best guess is, therefore, no decision before the end of 2020 (despite a "Decision Date" of 18 June 2020 on their website). Having a road for the Ryder Cup looking increasingly doubtful if there are any more delays (such as a Judicial Review).

Cookiemunster · 14-02-2020 6:28pm

Adare2019 wrote: »

The closing date for submissions on this project is today so I rang An Bord Pleanala to see when they hoped to hold the Oral Hearing. The Oral Hearing for the Galway Bypass starts next week and the SID guys are up the walls. Their best guess is no Oral Hearing until July (or maybe September). My best guess is, therefore, no decision before the end of 2020 (despite a "Decision Date" of 18 June 2020 on their website). Having a road for the Ryder Cup looking increasingly doubtful if there are any more delays (such as a Judicial Review).

It was never going to be through planning by June. All of these types of projects take a year or so for planning.

The Ryder Cup is still 6 1/2 years away. If this gets permission by early 2021 they still have 5 1/2 years for CPOs, tender award and construction.

Last Stop · 14-02-2020 6:41pm

prunudo wrote: »

Typical of every infrastructure project lately, locals claim there isn't enough contact with engineers during route selection phase. In other words 'I want to be in the room with them so I ensure it doesn't effect me and screw everyone else'

Perhaps there isn’t enough of an understanding of the route selection process and external factors.
Maybe we should consider an education program in schools getting kids to design a route from A-B with various constraints (environmental) etc. in the way?

I also think there is a serious lack of knowledge about the design process as a whole. Simple YouTube videos showing the options and the steps taken would be a massive help.

270WIN · 27-03-2020 3:28pm

Will this road be under pressure to be built now for obvious reasons?

Cookiemunster · 27-03-2020 3:35pm

Nobody knows. But it is a Ten-T route required by the EU to be built by 2030. And at best it's at least 3 years from going to construction.

L1011 · 23-06-2020 8:06am

Ryder Cup almost inevitably going to get pushed out a year - this happened last time we hosted (due to 9/11 that time) and its quite likely the road infrastructure works done for it - the N7 widening/separation and the L2007 pavement replacement) wouldn't have been done in time without it

History repeating here, it seems.

pigtown · 23-06-2020 9:23am

L1011 wrote: »

Ryder Cup almost inevitably going to get pushed out a year - this happened last time we hosted (due to 9/11 that time) and its quite likely the road infrastructure works done for it - the N7 widening/separation and the L2007 pavement replacement) wouldn't have been done in time without it

History repeating here, it seems.

Surely 2026 is far enough away that it won't be delayed?

Cookiemunster · 23-06-2020 9:31am

pigtown wrote: »

Surely 2026 is far enough away that it won't be delayed?

It's an EU mandated road, so it's hopefully Green proof.

pigtown · 23-06-2020 9:41am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's an EU mandated road, so it's hopefully Green proof.

Sorry, I meant the Ryder Cup

Cookiemunster · 23-06-2020 9:58am

pigtown wrote: »

Sorry, I meant the Ryder Cup

Oh!. They prefer to have two years between tournaments. The last time it was postponed in 2001 the whole schedule got pushed out. The K Club was due to be two tournaments later in 2005, but they all got changed. So we went from tournaments occurring on odd years to even years. If it gets postponed this year it's likely to go back to odd years permanently.

Leonard Hofstadter · 23-06-2020 12:40pm

The 2:1 public transport / roads ratio is after the roads maintenance budget has been allocated. So I reckon it's pretty Green proof, anyway if the latest rumblings are anything to go by, they might not form part of the Government anyway.

spacetweek · 28-06-2020 9:59pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's an EU mandated road,

This gets endlessley repeated on Boards!
There's no such thing as an "EU mandated road". The EU can't force member states to build roads. Even if the road must be improved, it does not have to be motorway.
There's no guarantee the M21 will happen in its currently proposed form until we get it through planning, and that will be years yet.

Cookiemunster · 28-06-2020 11:04pm

spacetweek wrote: »

This gets endlessley repeated on Boards!
There's no such thing as an "EU mandated road". The EU can't force member states to build roads. Even if the road must be improved, it does not have to be motorway.
There's no guarantee the M21 will happen in its currently proposed form until we get it through planning, and that will be years yet.

It's already only partially planned as a motorway. Nobody has said it had to be motorway. Rathkeale to Foynes is to be 2+2.

And it's already been with ABP since December so it's unlikely to be years before we get it through planning.

spacetweek · 29-06-2020 1:08pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It's already only partially planned as a motorway. Nobody has said it had to be motorway. Rathkeale to Foynes is to be 2+2.

And it's already been with ABP since December so it's unlikely to be years before we get it through planning.

I'd see Eamonn Ryan meddling with it now though.

marno21 · 29-06-2020 1:13pm

spacetweek wrote: »

I'd see Eamonn Ryan meddling with it now though.

There’s a new Super Junior Minister (Hildegarde Naughton) put in by FF/FG to ensure that elements of transport policy which are important to the strategic operation and development of the country are not run roughshod by Éamon Ryan

Ryan will have enough on his plate with climate action, communications and public/active transport. Naughton can take care of roads/sea/air.

marno21 · 24-09-2020 11:52am

According to Kerry NRDO, project still to be completed by 2026 subject to no delays with ABP

https://www.radiokerry.ie/kerry-county-council-engineer-says-judicial-reviews-road-projects-increasing/

Oral Hearing on the M6 project recommences virtually in October so fingers crossed this goes to Oral Hearing ASAP

Decision in mid 2021 and then the advance works programme can commence.

Roscommon County Council were on a 2 year target of planning approval to construction commencement for the 35km N5 scheme so assuming no pandemic related delays that may be doable here too.

steeler j · 24-09-2020 7:16pm

Hopefully it will be ready to go in 2023 ,it could be part of a post covid-19 stimulus package with other projects

marno21 · 22-10-2020 9:56am

Limerick County Council have responded to a request for further information by An Bord Pleanala

https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/public-notices/environmental-impact-assessment-report-formerly-referred

pajoguy · 22-10-2020 9:55pm

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick County Council have responded to a request for further information by An Bord Pleanala

https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/public-notices/environmental-impact-assessment-report-formerly-referred

I assume this set back a decision on this... although the rate covid Im getting less optimistic about this scheme bu the week.

mydiscworld · 19-12-2020 5:37pm

Was the extra info requested by ABP on 30 September given to them yet?

Ryder Cup has been delayed 2 years by the way, so Adare put back to 2027 to host it

Cookiemunster · 20-12-2020 1:05am

mydiscworld wrote: »

Was the extra info requested by ABP on 30 September given to them yet?

Ryder Cup has been delayed 2 years by the way, so Adare put back to 2027 to host it

It wasn't requested on September 30th. The further information response was submitted on that date. The request for the further information from ABP came on July 15th.
https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/further-information-response

And the Ryder Cup has been delayed by one year, not two. It was originally due to be played in 2026.

marno21 · 23-12-2020 6:17pm

Oral Hearing to commence on February 8th through to March 12th

http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/oralhearings.htm

This scheme was filed with ABP in December 2019.

steeler j · 13-01-2021 10:05pm

Is the decision due on this in March? ,I taught I saw in an online news report earlier

Cookiemunster · 13-01-2021 10:20pm

steeler j wrote: »

Is the decision due on this in March? ,I taught I saw in an online news report earlier

Not a hope. As above the oral hearing only starts in February.

steeler j · 14-01-2021 4:31pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Not a hope. As above the oral hearing only starts in February.

I was thinking that myself

marno21 · 02-02-2021 1:43pm

Oral Hearing agenda published:

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/Oral%20Hearings/306146%20Oral%20Hearing%20Agenda%20EN.pdf

Runs now from February 8th to February 18th. 5 days of hearing on the EIS and 3 days of objections to the CPO.

Limerick74 · 08-02-2021 8:11pm

marno21 wrote: »

Oral Hearing agenda published:

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/Oral%20Hearings/306146%20Oral%20Hearing%20Agenda%20EN.pdf

Runs now from February 8th to February 18th. 5 days of hearing on the EIS and 3 days of objections to the CPO.

First day of the hearing completed today. Limerick CCC giving evidence for first 2- 3 days.

marno21 · 12-02-2021 3:33am

Articles covering some of the latest from the Oral Hearing

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/608340/untenable-that-existing-limerick-to-foynes-road-could-cater-for-port-growth.html

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/609331/new-limerick-road-crucial-to-logistical-planning-for-ryder-cup.html

Limerick74 · 16-02-2021 7:25pm

EIA module now closed with CPO module starting tomorrow. Duncan Stewart was the celebrity objector today along with Friends of Irish Environment and An Taisce.

marno21 · 17-02-2021 5:34pm

Limerick74 wrote: »

EIA module now closed with CPO module starting tomorrow. Duncan Stewart was the celebrity objector today along with Friends of Irish Environment and An Taisce.

https://www.radiokerry.ie/friends-irish-environment-says-foynes-limerick-road-scheme-overblown/

Only media coverage I've seen to date.

I do despair.

AndyBoBandy · 17-02-2021 5:37pm

Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..

marno21 · 17-02-2021 5:39pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..

The most concise one I could find on Google including link roads without options

Treepole · 17-02-2021 5:40pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..

https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/

AndyBoBandy · 17-02-2021 5:44pm

Ah yes, I found it on the planning website..

So its a motorway extension to Rathkeale, and then a ling road from Rathkeale up as far as Askeaton (Dual Carriageway/Motorway?)

marno21 · 17-02-2021 5:47pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Ah yes, I found it on the planning website..

So its a motorway extension to Rathkeale, and then a ling road from Rathkeale up as far as Askeaton (Dual Carriageway/Motorway?)

2+2 dual carriageway from Rathkeale to Foynes. 2 lanes in each direction, no hard shoulder. Same as Castleisland/Tralee/Tuam bypasses

Limerick74 · 23-02-2021 8:21pm

Oral Hearing concluded this evening after 9 days.

M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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