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M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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  • #572
    pigtown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭pigtown


    L1011 wrote: »
    Ryder Cup almost inevitably going to get pushed out a year - this happened last time we hosted (due to 9/11 that time) and its quite likely the road infrastructure works done for it - the N7 widening/separation and the L2007 pavement replacement) wouldn't have been done in time without it

    History repeating here, it seems.

    Surely 2026 is far enough away that it won't be delayed?


  • #573
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    pigtown wrote: »
    Surely 2026 is far enough away that it won't be delayed?


    It's an EU mandated road, so it's hopefully Green proof.


  • #574
    pigtown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭pigtown


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It's an EU mandated road, so it's hopefully Green proof.

    Sorry, I meant the Ryder Cup


  • #575
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    pigtown wrote: »
    Sorry, I meant the Ryder Cup


    Oh!. They prefer to have two years between tournaments. The last time it was postponed in 2001 the whole schedule got pushed out. The K Club was due to be two tournaments later in 2005, but they all got changed. So we went from tournaments occurring on odd years to even years. If it gets postponed this year it's likely to go back to odd years permanently.


  • #576
    Leonard Hofstadter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    The 2:1 public transport / roads ratio is after the roads maintenance budget has been allocated. So I reckon it's pretty Green proof, anyway if the latest rumblings are anything to go by, they might not form part of the Government anyway.


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  • #577
    spacetweek
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It's an EU mandated road,

    This gets endlessley repeated on Boards!
    There's no such thing as an "EU mandated road". The EU can't force member states to build roads. Even if the road must be improved, it does not have to be motorway.
    There's no guarantee the M21 will happen in its currently proposed form until we get it through planning, and that will be years yet.


  • #578
    Cookiemunster
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    This gets endlessley repeated on Boards!
    There's no such thing as an "EU mandated road". The EU can't force member states to build roads. Even if the road must be improved, it does not have to be motorway.
    There's no guarantee the M21 will happen in its currently proposed form until we get it through planning, and that will be years yet.

    It's already only partially planned as a motorway. Nobody has said it had to be motorway. Rathkeale to Foynes is to be 2+2.

    And it's already been with ABP since December so it's unlikely to be years before we get it through planning.


  • #579
    spacetweek
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It's already only partially planned as a motorway. Nobody has said it had to be motorway. Rathkeale to Foynes is to be 2+2.

    And it's already been with ABP since December so it's unlikely to be years before we get it through planning.

    I'd see Eamonn Ryan meddling with it now though.


  • #580
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    I'd see Eamonn Ryan meddling with it now though.

    There’s a new Super Junior Minister (Hildegarde Naughton) put in by FF/FG to ensure that elements of transport policy which are important to the strategic operation and development of the country are not run roughshod by Éamon Ryan

    Ryan will have enough on his plate with climate action, communications and public/active transport. Naughton can take care of roads/sea/air.


  • #581
    marno21
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    According to Kerry NRDO, project still to be completed by 2026 subject to no delays with ABP

    https://www.radiokerry.ie/kerry-county-council-engineer-says-judicial-reviews-road-projects-increasing/

    Oral Hearing on the M6 project recommences virtually in October so fingers crossed this goes to Oral Hearing ASAP

    Decision in mid 2021 and then the advance works programme can commence.

    Roscommon County Council were on a 2 year target of planning approval to construction commencement for the 35km N5 scheme so assuming no pandemic related delays that may be doable here too.


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  • #582
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭steeler j


    Hopefully it will be ready to go in 2023 ,it could be part of a post covid-19 stimulus package with other projects


  • #583
    marno21
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    Limerick County Council have responded to a request for further information by An Bord Pleanala

    https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/public-notices/environmental-impact-assessment-report-formerly-referred


  • #584
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 772 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    marno21 wrote: »
    Limerick County Council have responded to a request for further information by An Bord Pleanala

    https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/public-notices/environmental-impact-assessment-report-formerly-referred

    I assume this set back a decision on this... although the rate covid Im getting less optimistic about this scheme bu the week.


  • #585
    mydiscworld
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭mydiscworld


    Was the extra info requested by ABP on 30 September given to them yet?

    Ryder Cup has been delayed 2 years by the way, so Adare put back to 2027 to host it


  • #586
    Cookiemunster
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    mydiscworld wrote: »
    Was the extra info requested by ABP on 30 September given to them yet?

    Ryder Cup has been delayed 2 years by the way, so Adare put back to 2027 to host it

    It wasn't requested on September 30th. The further information response was submitted on that date. The request for the further information from ABP came on July 15th.
    https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/further-information-response

    And the Ryder Cup has been delayed by one year, not two. It was originally due to be played in 2026.


  • #587
    marno21
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    Oral Hearing to commence on February 8th through to March 12th

    http://www.pleanala.ie/lists/oralhearings.htm

    This scheme was filed with ABP in December 2019.


  • #588
    steeler j
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    Is the decision due on this in March? ,I taught I saw in an online news report earlier


  • #589
    Cookiemunster
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    steeler j wrote: »
    Is the decision due on this in March? ,I taught I saw in an online news report earlier
    Not a hope. As above the oral hearing only starts in February.


  • #590
    steeler j
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Not a hope. As above the oral hearing only starts in February.

    I was thinking that myself


  • #591
    marno21
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    Oral Hearing agenda published:

    http://www.pleanala.ie/news/Oral%20Hearings/306146%20Oral%20Hearing%20Agenda%20EN.pdf

    Runs now from February 8th to February 18th. 5 days of hearing on the EIS and 3 days of objections to the CPO.


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  • #592
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭Limerick74


    marno21 wrote: »
    Oral Hearing agenda published:

    http://www.pleanala.ie/news/Oral%20Hearings/306146%20Oral%20Hearing%20Agenda%20EN.pdf

    Runs now from February 8th to February 18th. 5 days of hearing on the EIS and 3 days of objections to the CPO.

    First day of the hearing completed today. Limerick CCC giving evidence for first 2- 3 days.


  • #593
    marno21
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    Articles covering some of the latest from the Oral Hearing

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/608340/untenable-that-existing-limerick-to-foynes-road-could-cater-for-port-growth.html

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/609331/new-limerick-road-crucial-to-logistical-planning-for-ryder-cup.html


  • #594
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭Limerick74


    EIA module now closed with CPO module starting tomorrow. Duncan Stewart was the celebrity objector today along with Friends of Irish Environment and An Taisce.


  • #595
    marno21
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    Limerick74 wrote: »
    EIA module now closed with CPO module starting tomorrow. Duncan Stewart was the celebrity objector today along with Friends of Irish Environment and An Taisce.
    https://www.radiokerry.ie/friends-irish-environment-says-foynes-limerick-road-scheme-overblown/

    Only media coverage I've seen to date.

    I do despair.


  • #596
    AndyBoBandy
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    Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

    I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..


  • #597
    marno21
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

    I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..
    5e158a8feca68.jpg

    The most concise one I could find on Google including link roads without options


  • #598
    Treepole
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Are there any maps of the planned scheme? (its a long thread, going back 8 years).

    I know the road out to Foynes well having driven it many times, and would be interested to see a plan..

    https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/


  • #599
    AndyBoBandy
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    Ah yes, I found it on the planning website..

    So its a motorway extension to Rathkeale, and then a ling road from Rathkeale up as far as Askeaton (Dual Carriageway/Motorway?)


  • #600
    marno21
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Ah yes, I found it on the planning website..

    So its a motorway extension to Rathkeale, and then a ling road from Rathkeale up as far as Askeaton (Dual Carriageway/Motorway?)
    2+2 dual carriageway from Rathkeale to Foynes. 2 lanes in each direction, no hard shoulder. Same as Castleisland/Tralee/Tuam bypasses


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  • #601
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭Limerick74


    Oral Hearing concluded this evening after 9 days.


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