Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres 4 pubs for sale along the north quays in Dublin right now. Thats never happened before.

I know a lot of these things were brought in before but the new alcohol health act, more talk of minimum unit pricing, pub closures etc.. the alcohol industry Ireland is rightly famous for is taking a gigantic hit, more than most others during this.

I don't want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole but I wouldn't be shocked if there was some sort of ban on transfer of early house licences and a shortening of off licence hours to come in, further ruining irelands already unfairly hampered alcohol industry.

What’s the conspiracy? Covid caused disruption to loads of businesses to varying degrees. A business that’s based on a cosy, intimate environment and rests on selling a drug which causes people to show less caution, is definitely going to be hardest hit by covid restrictions.

Go down the conspiracy theory route if you need to. But the actual explanation is clear

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so was cutting taxes and abolishing USC since 2011, fat chance of anything good coming out of this.

Bit of a difference between changing the tax system which impacts the states finances to changing licencing laws in order to stimulate economic activity following a period of prolonged closure. Failte Ireland will go on a big PR campaign etc, its all quite obvious that'll there'll be a huge marketing campaign.

You can be fairly certain it'll be done in order to bring business back to the tourism sector & promote essentially a mini boom to the hospitality sector to get them back on their feet.

Anyway I couldn't care less if they leave the licensing laws the same or extend them but I'd expect some sort of stimulus when the time is right

questionmark? wrote: »

Tesco herb and spice section is where I get mine. Presume the likes of Supervalue and Dunnes would stock as well.


Jasus I'd love a hot whiskey right now!!

Haha. I’d murder a pint of nitro red and a Belgian martini.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I presume they do actually get it. Pretending not to understand the issues is a very important part of the “open the pubs” argument.

If you ask them directly, you’ll find posters who claim they don’t know why the pubs are closed. They’ll go through a range of reasons including conspiracy theories and will completely ignore the actual issues.

I had a few chats about this a few pages back. I just wanted to know how far some people would go to deny the obvious reality that the virus spreads well in indoor environments where people gather and bunch up. And when people drink they become more likely to flout distancing guidelines. They will twist themselves in knots and embrace conspiracy theories to avoid the simple, obvious facts.

Some people seem determined to avoid the simple, obvious facts that when what's now being called "hospitality" opened at the end of June, there was a negligible increase in covid numbers. Roughly 15% after 3 weeks, against an increase in testing of 250%, so actually a decrease in positive rate. (compared to when schools opened and cases jumped 50% in three weeks with no huge increase in testing, maybe 10%).

The same people, who can't come up with any fact based arguments, repeatedly resort to calling anyone who suggests keeping pubs closed since March was ridiculous as ignorant, selfish, deluded alcoholics (or some subset thereof).
Presumably the government also fall into this category. After all, they spent months developing a "Living with Covid" plan in consultation with a wide range of experts.
And then published a plan in September that had restaurant and"wet" pubs both open normally at level 2, indoor with additional restrictions at 3, outdoor for 15 people at 4, and takeaway only at 5. So they clearly denied "the obvious reality that the virus spreads well in indoor environments where people gather and bunch up."

It only seems to be obvious if you're determined to believe that though. This week's HSE cluster report shows a whopping total of 11 clusters attributed to restaurants, and 4 to pubs, for the month of December.
(Versus 68 for the schools they keep insisting are perfectly safe.)

So you keep living in your "obvious reality", I'll stick with the actual facts, thanks.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Failte Ireland will go on a big PR campaign etc, its all quite obvious that'll there'll be a huge marketing campaign.

when is this? someone is just going to flip switch and announce the virus is totally over with?

MOH wrote: »

Some people seem determined to avoid the simple, obvious facts that when what's now being called "hospitality" opened at the end of June, there was a negligible increase in covid numbers. Roughly 15% after 3 weeks, against an increase in testing of 250%, so actually a decrease in positive rate. (compared to when schools opened and cases jumped 50% in three weeks with no huge increase in testing, maybe 10%).

The same people, who can't come up with any fact based arguments, repeatedly resort to calling anyone who suggests keeping pubs closed since March was ridiculous as ignorant, selfish, deluded alcoholics (or some subset thereof).
Presumably the government also fall into this category. After all, they spent months developing a "Living with Covid" plan in consultation with a wide range of experts.
And then published a plan in September that had restaurant and"wet" pubs both open normally at level 2, indoor with additional restrictions at 3, outdoor for 15 people at 4, and takeaway only at 5. So they clearly denied "the obvious reality that the virus spreads well in indoor environments where people gather and bunch up."

It only seems to be obvious if you're determined to believe that though. This week's HSE cluster report shows a whopping total of 11 clusters attributed to restaurants, and 4 to pubs, for the month of December.
(Versus 68 for the schools they keep insisting are perfectly safe.)

So you keep living in your "obvious reality", I'll stick with the actual facts, thanks.

Ah yeah, but you’re doing it again. Pretending you don’t know the difference between schools and pubs and why schools are open and pubs aren’t. The reasons are obvious but it involves balancing conflicting ideas and finding the solution, which the government has done.

Pubs are non-essential, schools are not. Schools are non-essential because they allow parents to go to work and pay the mortgage while also keep it the broader economy going.

Schools will certainly spread the virus - any environment which brings people together indoors, will spread the virus. So keeping schools and workplaces open would mean clamping down harder in other areas to control the spread of the virus.

You know all this stuff yourself. Why would you make an argument which pretends you don’t know it?

munster87 wrote: »

Where was that suggested?

It was suggested there would be a big marketing campaign "welcoming" people back to the pubs. I would assume you'd want to ensure they aren't closing two weeks later due to concern over cases if did this.

showpony1 wrote: »

It was suggested there would be a big marketing campaign "welcoming" people back to the pubs. I would assume you'd want to ensure they aren't closing two weeks later due to concern over cases if did this.

Pubs aren't opening again until cases are low enough and vaccines high enough that their will be a negligible threat to health, so yeah, their probably will be a promotional campaign.

Stephen Donnelly was on Newstalk earlier and he seems to be talking in 'quarters' now when he's talking about vaccinations, so my guess is all pubs reopen in a limited way at the end of Q2 with social distancing measures in place.

PommieBast wrote: »

Might just about squeak food pubs in Q2. Non-food pubs will be lucky to get Q3.

Which year, 2022, 2023?

SteM wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly was on Newstalk earlier and he seems to be talking in 'quarters' now when he's talking about vaccinations, so my guess is all pubs reopen in a limited way at the end of Q2 with social distancing measures in place.

Calendar quarters or financial quarters?