Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Macy0161 · 08-01-2021 11:26AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

And another one. Maybe boards has something to do with "long Covid"??

He's been on RTE a couple of times discussing it FFS. I can dig out the link, if you think all of this is made up, or will that be a conspiracy between NEPHT and RTE?

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 11:58AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

. Healthy mid-40's fella going into March that I know got Covid, he's still f*cked from it.

You would swear that people have suddenly forgotten that every single winter since the dawn of time that the winter flu has left a small percentage of its sufferers completely whacked for months on end.

There have been 212,000 cases recorded on this island. Most of these people had such non existent symptoms they needed a test to tell them they had the virus. You could probably add maybe double that amount who had the virus but never realised their close contact status nor developed symptoms.

Exactly what percentage of these people, healthy, under 70, are still struggling months later?

Is it worse than the amount struggling with a flu in a given year?

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 12:02PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

Leo on radio 1 today saying should have all vulnerable , nurseing home and frontline medics vaccinated by Mid to late March, then rest of over 70s by June. He was very close to saying life should be back to normal then. I suppose there going to be a hell of a row over wet pubs , gigs , comedy shows , theatre and open air concerts and crowds at matches then.

I really cant see NYPHET allowing unrestricted events like theatre, nightclubs, gigs, etc. i suppose of they dont let them open then all bets are off , could be 2022 before they open

Can anybody explain to me how we can keep our country shut once those most at risk of the virus have been vaccinated? How the miniscule chance of "long Covid", on a young person can outweigh the mental, societal, economic damage?

I would have been one depressed person if I was denied clubs, pubs and gaff parties for an entire 18 months of my teens/ 20s (the lack of pubs now in my 30s has been depressing enough)

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 12:05PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Until almost the entire population is vaccinated, there will be need for distancing and masks. The hospitals being overrun is the biggest single risk, but it’s not the only reason to prevent covid spreading.

How many people who end up in hospital are under 60 and in good health?

Under 50?

I'd be surprised if there are more than 20 normally healthy people of typical festival/ nightclub going age in hospital with this thing.

Again, people seem to forget that in a normal winter plenty of young people end up in hospital from a nasty bout of flu. The occasional one even dies.

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 12:12PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

I see Dr. Holohan has had some choice words regarding alcohol. It probably won't be popular here. But that's cold hard reality. Not as refreshing as a cold beer but it's the truth.

I ask again.

Why does the good doctor have such an agenda against drink, yet he isn't saying a word about the fact thousands of infected people were allowed to fly in to Ireland over the holiday period untested, and asked to observe a voluntary quarantine?

The UK variant accounts for 25% of cases. Given the UK variant isn't even the dominant variant in the UK, this would actually seem to indicate that the amount of cases that can be directly attributed to UK import must be many times 25%.

Yet Holohan blames the pubs. Then he wonders why the majority of the public no longer listen to what he tells them.

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 12:23PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

I aWhy does the good doctor have such an agenda against drink, yet he isn't saying a word about the fact thousands of infected people were allowed to fly in to Ireland over the holiday period untested, and asked to observe a voluntary quarantine?.

NPHET-Holoham are just stating the fact that medically speaking Alcohol can lower the immune system, which can leave you more susceptible to infections..

As for people flying in and "he isn't saying a word about it" do you not read the news... they've been very vocal about foreign travel more or less since the start of this....

hynesie08 · 08-01-2021 12:26PM

Doctor is asked about alcohol

Answers question

Boards "it's an agenda"

I've said it before, my stance on pubs has been the same since day one, they're not hard to find, but there's a few on here who, if they represent the majority, are destroying something they claim to love by proving the stereotypes correct.

John O.Groats · 08-01-2021 12:32PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah its so scary and sad that this will be the case even with the vaccines

We all know it wont happen but its time for all those leaders in the hospitality/entertainment/arts etc sectors get together and lobby to get the sectors back open for the summer.

Not a snowball`s chance in hell that these sectors will be back to normal by the summer like what you are calling for.

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 12:51PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

NPHET-Holoham are just stating the fact that medically speaking Alcohol can lower the immune system, which can leave you more susceptible to infections..

As for people flying in and "he isn't saying a word about it" do you not read the news... they've been very vocal about foreign travel more or less since the start of this....

No he has not. He has said he doesn't approve of it. He has not at any stage publicly lambasted the government for failing to stop it. Yet when he publicly states that opening hospitality was a key driver in the current surge, and references people's behavior, he is essentially blaming the government for not listening to him. He at no point acknowledges that foreign travel was the biggest mistake to allow.

opinionated3 · 08-01-2021 12:52PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Not a snowball`s chance in hell that these sectors will be back to normal by the summer like what you are calling for.

Because it looks like, even though we're in a national, emergency, we are unable to vaccinate our population quickly enough. Why isn't it a 24/7 operation like Israel? Something's not right here, conflicting reports yesterday of whether vaccinations would be carried out at weekends or not. Ridiculous.

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 12:55PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

No he has not. He has said he doesn't approve of it. He has not at any stage publicly lambasted the government for failing to stop it. Yet when he publicly states that opening hospitality was a key driver in the current surge, and references people's behavior, he is essentially blaming the government for not listening to him. He at no point acknowledges that foreign travel was the biggest mistake to allow.

The Op said that Holoham didn't say a word, when in fact he was very vocal in his wish to stop all but "non-essential" travel... And the Government listened to him but couldn't completely and legally ban all travel.... if they could have then you can be guaranteed that what Holoham said would have been done.. that's my point here..

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 12:57PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Because it looks like, even though we're in a national, emergency, we are unable to vaccinate our population quickly enough. Why isn't it a 24/7 operation like Israel? Something's not right here, conflicting reports yesterday of whether vaccinations would be carried out at weekends or not. Ridiculous.

I wouldn't hold them up as a shining example to the world on vaccinating their populations....

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/01/denying-covid19-vaccines-to-palestinians-exposes-israels-institutionalized-discrimination/

John O.Groats · 08-01-2021 01:05PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Because it looks like, even though we're in a national, emergency, we are unable to vaccinate our population quickly enough. Why isn't it a 24/7 operation like Israel? Something's not right here, conflicting reports yesterday of whether vaccinations would be carried out at weekends or not. Ridiculous.

It has been stated several times that there is a supply issue at present. Israel is not part of the EU and went off on a solo run buying up stocks of the vaccine and at inflated prices by the way.

doublejobbing 2 · 08-01-2021 01:11PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The Op said that Holoham didn't say a word, when in fact he was very vocal in his wish to stop all but "non-essential" travel... And the Government listened to him but couldn't completely and legally ban all travel.... if they could have then you can be guaranteed that what Holoham said would have been done.. that's my point here..

The government can legally forbid people travelling into another county but cannot ban people moving in and out of the country?

That is nonsense. We did not ban foreign travel as when it comes to our government our adherence to the EU principles, in particular that of free movement, overrides what is best for the country itself.

This is now the second economic collapse fueled by our adherence to EU law (the first being the housing bubble that was exacerbated by our open border with the EU fueling a rush to invest in BTL properties bought with endless credit)

Tenzor07 · 08-01-2021 01:20PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

The government can legally forbid people travelling into another county but cannot ban people moving in and out of the country?
That is nonsense. We did not ban foreign travel as when it comes to our government our adherence to the EU principles, in particular that of free movement, overrides what is best for the country itself.

I'm not getting into the debate on whether travel abroad was *actually banned or not, been there too many times already here on boards on this patricular topic.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 04:33PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I know there is no database, that’s why I suggested starting this in May, 8 months ago.

All those vulnerable/shielding people have GPs. The GP would send a list of all over 60s/vulnerable, as per my post.

Did you bother reading it at all??

So Irish, a problem for every solution.

Lol. You think you solved the problem. You haven’t scratched the surface.

But fear not, we’re not in charge so we can sit about and whinge about the rollout without having a clue about how much work is needed to make sure it works properly.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 04:36PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You continue to miss the point and argue with yourself about things I never said.

You seem to believe that if the number of deaths dropped to effectively zero, and that if the number of hospitalisations dropped to effectively zero, that we should still be scared because...why exactly?

And I'll say it again.

If Covid is spreading but nobody is actually getting sick and dying then further restrictions will not be justified.

How is that even debatable? So at some point Dr Tony is on the TV saying that deaths are zero and hospitalisations are now minimal, but you will be sitting at home saying that "no, that doesn't matter, we need to stay locked down!!!".

Because that is nuts.

Yeah but you argued that if the over 70s and the vulnerable were vaccinated, then there would be no deaths even if the virus ripped through the population. And that’s just fantasy. Not sure if you don’t get it or just don’t want to get it.

We’ll find out how it works in time.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 04:44PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

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However, just because the elderly and those with underlying conditions are most at risk, the risk isn't zero for the rest of the population of getting severe or long covid. It's bordering on the conspiracy theorists/ anti-masker/ anti-vaxxer not to see this imo. Healthy mid-40's fella going into March that I know got Covid, he's still f*cked from it.

Some people seem to be completely in denial about this point. They seem to think that vaccinating the old and vulnerable will mean we return to normal. Total fantasy.

A successful rollout would mean businesses could stay open with distancing and masks until the vaccine has been rolled out to the whole population and it’s gone from the community.

I can see why some people want to pretend everything will go back to normal in a few months. A few months ago they thought everything would go back to normal the day after the vaccine was approved (not a joke, some people said that on this thread).

weldoninhio · 08-01-2021 05:02PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. You think you solved the problem. You haven’t scratched the surface.

But fear not, we’re not in charge so we can sit about and whinge about the rollout without having a clue about how much work is needed to make sure it works properly.

I'm watching how it's being rolled out. It's pretty much how I said, except it's starting now. I got my email on Wednesday asking if I would take the vaccine and asking for my details. This could have been set up months ago.

"The European Medicines Agency have approved the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine called Comrinaty. In advance of vaccinations being delivered to ____________ hospital, expressions of interest and availability to book for vaccination are now being sought from all Hospital staff to allow a smooth process. It is planned that the vaccine will be offered to all staff in time, with initial focus on staff with direct patient contact and in higher risk areas. If you are keen to have the vaccine please complete the below fields."

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 06:12PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm watching how it's being rolled out. It's pretty much how I said, except it's starting now. I got my email on Wednesday asking if I would take the vaccine and asking for my details. This could have been set up months ago.

"The European Medicines Agency have approved the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine called Comrinaty. In advance of vaccinations being delivered to ____________ hospital, expressions of interest and availability to book for vaccination are now being sought from all Hospital staff to allow a smooth process. It is planned that the vaccine will be offered to all staff in time, with initial focus on staff with direct patient contact and in higher risk areas. If you are keen to have the vaccine please complete the below fields."

These thing take time. And it takes more time to do them well. Everyone was busy dealing with the pandemic. It’s not as though they had pepper without work to do since March.

The rollout is happening. That’s all we can expect. It’s happening and you’ll never give credit to those who make it happen, but that’s standard.

PommieBast · 08-01-2021 06:30PM

Looks like the parties are still going on. Had vaguely hoped that people would have got this out of their system over the festive season

bucketybuck · 08-01-2021 06:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but you argued that if the over 70s and the vulnerable were vaccinated, then there would be no deaths even if the virus ripped through the population.

No, I did not.

As suspected, you are in such a rush to flood the thread with posts that you aren't taking the time to actually read what other people are saying.

Stop arguing with what you think I said, try reading what I actually did say.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-01-2021 07:35PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, I did not.

As suspected, you are in such a rush to flood the thread with posts that you aren't taking the time to actually read what other people are saying.

Stop arguing with what you think I said, try reading what I actually did say.

Lol yes you did. No wonder the government ignores the “open the pubs” types. They can’t even remember what they argued for yesterday.

Here’s a recap:
Dickie10 said

Dickie10 wrote: »

Leo on radio 1 today saying should have all vulnerable , nurseing home and frontline medics vaccinated by Mid to late March, then rest of over 70s by June. He was very close to saying life should be back to normal then. I suppose there going to be a hell of a row over wet pubs , gigs , comedy shows , theatre and open air concerts and crowds at matches then.

I really cant see NYPHET allowing unrestricted events like theatre, nightclubs, gigs, etc. i suppose of they dont let them open then all bets are off , could be 2022 before they open

And you quoted dickie10 and said:

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't see the need for a row over anything. If the vulnerable are vaccinated, and if the vaccine works, then logic says that the number of deaths and hospital admission will in turn fall to minimal.

And if that happens then there will be zero justification for any restrictions whatsoever.

They brought in restrictions because of the numbers, they should take them away because of the numbers. And if they don't it will be clear evidence of who and what they really are.
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bucketybuck · 08-01-2021 07:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol yes you did. No wonder the giver ignores the “open the pubs” types. Tenet can’t even remember what they argued for yesterday.

Here’s a recap:
Dickie10 said

And you quoted dickie10 and said:

Is English your first language? Seriously? How on earth can I write a clear sentance like this:

If the vulnerable are vaccinated, and if the vaccine works, then logic says that the number of deaths and hospital admission will in turn fall to minimal.

only for you to rewrite it to be this:

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but you argued that if the over 70s and the vulnerable were vaccinated, then there would be no deaths even if the virus ripped through the population. And that’s just fantasy. Not sure if you don’t get it or just don’t want to get it.

Over 70's? No deaths? You do realise that my post is right there and that people can see that those were not my words, right?

This must be performance art or something.

08-01-2021 10:45PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

How many people who end up in hospital are under 60 and in good health?

Under 50?

I'd be surprised if there are more than 20 normally healthy people of typical festival/ nightclub going age in hospital with this thing.

Again, people seem to forget that in a normal winter plenty of young people end up in hospital from a nasty bout of flu. The occasional one even dies.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20210107_website.pdf

Scroll down to page 8 and you can see the numbers for the last two weeks up to the 6th Jan. I'm not arguing one way or the other, I just saw your post and I was curious if it was possible to find a resource that drilled down into the numbers you were wondering about.

Dickie10 · 08-01-2021 10:47PM

yes i know we were all on the thought line that once over 70s and frontliners, nuresing home reidents are vaccinated we would get level 2 at least, then hopefully level 1. I think there moving goalposts now, what you will hear is this new variant means even teenagers van suffer badly or even die of covid19, so level 3 we will stay at for foreseeable. Point is in a years time we could be getting 40-50 cases a day could we ? thus it keeps us at level 2. or will nightclubs and indoor arenas just open in August anyway? you just wonder as we get down the cohorts, hospitalisations may go down to very few but cases may still be high, or will the whole thing begin to slide away as people stop being and going for tests when vaccines are freely available and large amounts of vulnerable already vaccinated. if people stop showing up for civid tests then covid cases go down. once all vulnerable people are vaccinated , hospitalisations will drop away to very little. They could keep us lock up at level 2 for years if cases still crop up however small?

Please tell me if im desperatley wrong here....

MOH · 08-01-2021 11:05PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm watching how it's being rolled out. It's pretty much how I said, except it's starting now. I got my email on Wednesday asking if I would take the vaccine and asking for my details. This could have been set up months ago.

"The European Medicines Agency have approved the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine called Comrinaty. In advance of vaccinations being delivered to ____________ hospital, expressions of interest and availability to book for vaccination are now being sought from all Hospital staff to allow a smooth process. It is planned that the vaccine will be offered to all staff in time, with initial focus on staff with direct patient contact and in higher risk areas. If you are keen to have the vaccine please complete the below fields."

That really bugged me last week.

Once of Reid's excuses on not moving faster was that there were procedures to be followed, consent had to be sought, etc.

Because obviously that couldn't possibly have been done before the vaccines arrived, since they just materialised out of the blue with no forewarning :rolleyes:

The other thing was earlier this week, when asked for an update on vaccines and his reply was "we've had 40,000 doses delivered". That's nice. Based on the chart in the background from this picture yesterday, we'd received 41,000 doses before this week, but only administered 15,000 in total (up to yesterday). Yet apparently we were on course to administer another 20,000 by the end of this week.

So if we have the capacity to administer 20,000 doses in just over 3 days, why the backlog?

Anyway, possibly more relevant for this thread, though paywalled

dominatinMC · 09-01-2021 12:01AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

yes i know we were all on the thought line that once over 70s and frontliners, nuresing home reidents are vaccinated we would get level 2 at least, then hopefully level 1. I think there moving goalposts now, what you will hear is this new variant means even teenagers van suffer badly or even die of covid19, so level 3 we will stay at for foreseeable. Point is in a years time we could be getting 40-50 cases a day could we ? thus it keeps us at level 2. or will nightclubs and indoor arenas just open in August anyway? you just wonder as we get down the cohorts, hospitalisations may go down to very few but cases may still be high, or will the whole thing begin to slide away as people stop being and going for tests when vaccines are freely available and large amounts of vulnerable already vaccinated. if people stop showing up for civid tests then covid cases go down. once all vulnerable people are vaccinated , hospitalisations will drop away to very little. They could keep us lock up at level 2 for years if cases still crop up however small?

Please tell me if im desperatley wrong here....

No offence Dickie, but you need to get off the internet for a while.

boombang · 09-01-2021 09:29AM

Source:
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=irl&areas=eur&areas=esp&areas=ita&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=cases

El_Duderino 09 · 09-01-2021 12:49PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is English your first language? Seriously? How on earth can I write a clear sentance like this:only for you to rewrite it to be this:

Over 70's? No deaths? You do realise that my post is right there and that people can see that those were not my words, right?

This must be performance art or something.

Yeah it’s right there for all to see. You seem to think that vaccinating the vulnerable means there will be no deaths. And you also said you don’t care about people being sick or hospitalised “unless they’re dying”.

Your approach use seems to assume that all the only people who die are in the government’s “vulnerable” group. Unfortunately the reality is that lots of seemingly healthy pepper also get seriously sick and die from covid.

Taking the simplistic approach, assuming the government’s “vulnerable” category covers all the people who die from covid, is naive, but understandable. You expect that when all the people in the “vulnerable” category have been vaccinated, then everything will go back to normal. It’s a simple approach and it will lead to disappointment when reality kicks in. But, if it makes you feel happy to pretend it’s likely to happen, then go for it.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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