Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

ArmaniJeanss

weldoninhio wrote: »

1.3m have already been jabbed in the UK.

Over 1m jabs given by Israel.

This is a 'deadly' virus, we were told. Meanwhile we plod along with the vaccine, hoping to get a tiny percentage of our population, over 70s, done by the end of March!!

OK, so we are behind the countries you named.
That doesn't necessarily mean we are 'plodding along'.
We seem to be (per capita) ahead of France, whilst The Netherlands isn't starting until tomorrow.

DeanAustin

weldoninhio wrote: »

Someone gave the numbers for Denmark above, so that argument is gone.

According to RTE, the number of Irish vaccinations quoted above is wrong.

How are the rest of the EU doing in comparison to us? It's 27 countries so if only 1 is doing better then we're doing alright. I suspect it's probably more but I don't know. But before criticising, you need to know that much and understand if there are any mitigating factors.

Otherwise, you're just sticking the boot in for the sake of it trying to sound superior.

fin12

John O.Groats wrote: »

Completely untrue.

They didn’t open the pubs till end of August so ya the summer was gone. September is autumn.

weldoninhio

DeanAustin wrote: »

According to RTE, the number of Irish vaccinations quoted above is wrong.

How are the rest of the EU doing in comparison to us? It's 27 countries so if only 1 is doing better then we're doing alright. I suspect it's probably more but I don't know. But before criticising, you need to know that much and understand if there are any mitigating factors.

Otherwise, you're just sticking the boot in for the sake of it trying to sound superior.

Of course, Paddyland is suppressing our numbers, so hard to see where we are. I'm guessing just ahead of Holland, given the lack of publicity we're seeing.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/03/coronavirus-which-european-country-is-fastest-at-rolling-out-the-vaccine

DeanAustin

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course, Paddyland is suppressing our numbers, so hard to see where we are. I'm guessing just ahead of Holland, given the lack of publicity we're seeing.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/03/coronavirus-which-european-country-is-fastest-at-rolling-out-the-vaccine

How is Paddyland suppressing the number? If anything we are inflating it but I'm not sure you've anything to back that up with?

And total vaccinations given is not an accurate or fair measure. You've got to look at total vaccinations as a percentage of the population. You also cannot compare us to the UK because they were able to get in before the EU. We were delayed purchasing the vaccine from what I understand.

So the question is, per 100,000 of population (or some similar measure), how are we doing against the other EU countries?

El_Duderino 09

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course, Paddyland is suppressing our numbers, so hard to see where we are. I'm guessing just ahead of Holland, given the lack of publicity we're seeing.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/03/coronavirus-which-european-country-is-fastest-at-rolling-out-the-vaccine

I don't think anyone has a daily dashboard of numbers vaccinated up yet. It should be done but as long as the numbers are recorded and reported weekly, I'll be happy.

weldoninhio

DeanAustin wrote: »

How is Paddyland suppressing the number? If anything we are inflating it but I'm not sure you've anything to back that up with?

And total vaccinations given is not an accurate or fair measure. You've got to look at total vaccinations as a percentage of the population. You also cannot compare us to the UK because they were able to get in before the EU. We were delayed purchasing the vaccine from what I understand.

So the question is, per 100,000 of population (or some similar measure), how are we doing against the other EU countries?

We aren’t reporting our daily number of people vaccinated, that’s suppressing.

DeanAustin

weldoninhio wrote: »

We aren’t reporting our daily number of people vaccinated, that’s suppressing.

They've reported a number today. Looking at the data, quite a few don't seem to be reporting the number every day. You make it sound like they are hiding something, maybe there is a genuine reason for that given that it's the same for a lot of countries.

weldoninhio

DeanAustin wrote: »

They've reported a number today. Looking at the data, quite a few don't seem to be reporting the number every day. You make it sound like they are hiding something, maybe there is a genuine reason for that given that it's the same for a lot of countries.

15,000 in a week. We should be doing multiples of that a day.

El_Duderino 09

weldoninhio wrote: »

We aren’t reporting our daily number of people vaccinated, that’s suppressing.

These things take time to organise to do them and make sure the data collection systems are accurate. It’s not a conspiracy.

They certainly should report the numbers daily or weekly once everything is up and running. A few weeks to get it up and running is not unreasonable.

DeanAustin

weldoninhio wrote: »

15,000 in a week. We should be doing multiples of that a day.

What are you basing that on?

hynesie08

DeanAustin wrote: »

What are you basing that on?

Magic.

El_Duderino 09

weldoninhio wrote: »

15,000 in a week. We should be doing multiples of that a day.

How do you think these things work? Do you think they just start at the peak daily number and just continue to deliver at that level?

I think these things start off slowly, testing systems and procedures as they go. Figuring out problems and implementing new procedures to make sure things work better. Then they ramp up as procedures are improved and they’re more confident things will work well.

How do you think things work?

El_Duderino 09

DeanAustin wrote: »

What are you basing that on?

Can’t be coincidence that the ones who wanted to open the pubs in December, also consider themselves to be big experts on everything the government is doing wrong. Always whinging about whatever the government is doing. Before, government were doing too much, now they’re not doing enough. Waaaaa, waaaaa

bucketybuck

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s wishful thinking but it’s just not how things work. The vulnerable being vaccinated is good but it doesn’t mean we can go back to normal. If we go back to normal then the virus would rip through the country, and they can’t and won’t allow that to happen.

You appear to have missed the point, so I'll repeat it.

The only valid reason for restrictions is to prevent deaths. If deaths were low there would be no justification for any restrictions.

If the vaccine works and it is given to the vulnerable, then death rates will fall. That is simple logic.

When deaths fall there will no longer be a need for restrictions. QED.

It really is a simple chain of thought, so I know you like flooding the board with posts but there is no need for further debate on this point.

Now if you want to repeat your comment about about there being reasons to prevent covid spread other than preventing hospital admissions and deaths then I will save you the time right now, because that is nonsense and I have no interest in entertaining it. I will say though that such a thought does tie into why I have little faith in our current government doing the right thing this summer, because they will likely use that sort of spurious thinking to further their own vested interests.

If people aren't dying then I don't give a **** how many cases there are, if people aren't dying, if the numbers are at zero, then the restrictions need to end.

weldoninhio

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How do you think these things work? Do you think they just start at the peak daily number and just continue to deliver at that level?

I think these things start off slowly, testing systems and procedures as they go. Figuring out problems and implementing new procedures to make sure things work better. Then they ramp up as procedures are improved and they’re more confident things will work well.

How do you think things work?

It’s not like they’ve had since last March to be figuring this sh1t out. Every nurse and anyone else trained to give an IM injection can administer the vaccine.

El_Duderino 09

bucketybuck wrote: »

You appear to have missed the point, so I'll repeat it.

The only valid reason for restrictions is to prevent deaths. If deaths were low there would be no justification for any restrictions.

If the vaccine works and it is given to the vulnerable, then death rates will fall. That is simple logic.

When deaths fall there will no longer be a need for restrictions. QED.

It really is a simple chain of thought, so I know you like flooding the board with posts but there is no need for further debate on this point.

Now if you want to repeat your comment about about there being reasons to prevent covid spread other than preventing hospital admissions and deaths then I will save you the time right now, because that is nonsense and I have no interest in entertaining it. I will say though that such a thought does tie into why I have little faith in our current government doing the right thing this summer, because they will likely use that sort of spurious thinking to further their own vested interests.

If people aren't dying then I don't give a **** how many cases there are, if people aren't dying, if the numbers are at zero, then the restrictions need to end.

Lol. The health system being overrun is the main risk from covid. But it’s not the only risk. Lots of people die from it and it will be the government’s responsibility to protect the population from allowing a disease to tip through the population.

Rest assured, there will be distancing and masks until Covid isn’t a problem anymore. You don’t give a **** about other people, but it’s government’s job to do exactly that.

But if it makes you happy to fanaticise about everything going back to normal in the next few months, go ahead. Just don’t expect it to actually happen in reality, because it won’t.

El_Duderino 09

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s not like they’ve had since last March to be figuring this sh1t out. Every nurse and anyone else trained to give an IM injection can administer the vaccine.

And is that all there is to administering the vaccine? What about all the other things that have to be coordinated? You’ll probably never understand what goes into a huge, unprecedented national programme like this, and you’ll also never give credit to those who make it happen. Just sit around whinging that it isn’t happening faster. Classic.

How do you think it actually works? Have you ever thought about how it actually works?

DeanAustin

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s not like they’ve had since last March to be figuring this sh1t out. Every nurse and anyone else trained to give an IM injection can administer the vaccine.

Behave. There was no vaccine last March let alone any sort of idea how much of it we'd have and when.

If we're significantly behind other EU countries in a few weeks, it's fair enough to ask questions. Throwing out flippant criticisms now to make yourself feel superior is just gratuitous grandstanding.

bucketybuck

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You don’t give a **** about other people.

Not one single thing I said indicates that I don't care about other people, perhaps you are projecting?

I say that if people are no longer getting sick and no longer dying that we would then no longer need restrictions designed to stop people from getting sick and dying.

Why you struggle to understand that simple point is strange.

John O.Groats

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And is that all there is to administering the vaccine? What about all the other things that have to be coordinated? You’ll probably never understand what goes into a huge, unprecedented national programme like this, and you’ll also never give credit to those who make it happen. Just sit around whinging that it isn’t happening faster. Classic.

How do you think it actually works? Have you ever thought about how it actually works?

And if the vaccine rollout had been rushed without proper protocols in place and there had been serious negative issues arising from that then weldoninhio and his buddies would be the first to throw their toys out of the pram as per usual.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said alcohol has "played a role" in the spread of the disease. He would welcome any reduction in the opportunity for people to socially gather and consume alcohol.

"This disease loves alcohol," he told the press conference.


I see Dr. Holohan has had some choice words regarding alcohol. It probably won't be popular here. But that's cold hard reality. Not as refreshing as a cold beer but it's the truth.

I think a virus loves hosts.

Whether they are drinking coffee, alcohol, doing shopping or running on a threadmill is not relevant to the virus.

PTH2009

Deleted User wrote: »

I think a virus loves hosts.

Whether they are drinking coffee, alcohol, doing shopping or running on a threadmill is not relevant to the virus.

Don't be talking common sense

We all know its Alcohol, Dr Tony our master says its cause of Alcohol. This virus would not of spread so fast if it wasn't for Alcohol

weldoninhio

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And is that all there is to administering the vaccine? What about all the other things that have to be coordinated? You’ll probably never understand what goes into a huge, unprecedented national programme like this, and you’ll also never give credit to those who make it happen. Just sit around whinging that it isn’t happening faster. Classic.

How do you think it actually works? Have you ever thought about how it actually works?

Again, we’ve had 10 months to figure it out. The HSE seems to be extremely reactive rather than proactive. Why weren’t staff (doctors, nurses, frontline admin) emailed months ago regarding whether they’d take an approved vaccine? Why are they doing up lists now? It would have been a start to have a database set up with all staff and their initial response. That’d be one thing out of the way. But no, wait til we have them in the fridge, then we’ll start figuring things out.

John O.Groats

PTH2009 wrote: »

Don't be talking common sense

We all know its Alcohol, Dr Tony our master says its cause of Alcohol. This virus would not of spread so fast if it wasn't for Alcohol

As has been stated what must be hundreds of times on this and other threads the issue is that gatherings of people drinking alcohol whether that be in pubs/restaurants, house parties or whereever else are far more likely to let their guard down and forego precautionry measures against spreading the virus. How hard is that for you to grasp?

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Don't be talking common sense

We all know its Alcohol, Dr Tony our master says its cause of Alcohol. This virus would not of spread so fast if it wasn't for Alcohol

Now you're just bordering on creepy.

nullzero

PTH2009 wrote: »

Don't be talking common sense

We all know its Alcohol, Dr Tony our master says its cause of Alcohol. This virus would not of spread so fast if it wasn't for Alcohol

The irony of this post being thanked by Jacdaniel2014 isn't lost on me.

pjohnson

John O.Groats wrote: »

As has been stated what must be hundreds of times on this and other threads the issue is that gatherings of people drinking alcohol whether that be in pubs/restaurants, house parties or whereever else are far more likely to let their guard down and forego precautionry measures against spreading the virus. How hard is that for you to grasp?

Its quite clear the most vocal havent actually drank alochol themselves and haven't a notion of the consequences.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

The irony of this post being thanked by Jacdaniel2014 isn't lost on me.

Username is 6 years old back when I had a social life haha!