Mart Price Tracker

mahoney_j · 04-01-2021 10:45AM

orm0nd wrote: »

5k new cases to day, fair play to the marts that pulled this week's sales ,

if ringside bidding never opened again it would'nt worry me and I certianly will not be entering any ring

Online sales and bidding are a great thing and I’m saying that as a buyer and seller if I want to purchase and I wanted to physically see a lot I’d be happy to be given a slot it’s a 2 minute in/out job one thing I think marts have to improve on is online sales catalogue ,for the dairy side I’m thinking like the sales catalogue u generate on herd plus ,all the info u need Is there .I rang Newport re there recent sale and no catalogue nor was anyone able to tell me who’s stock was for sale .
Online bidding cuts out all the crap and intimidation that’s allowed at some marts

charolais0153 · 04-01-2021 07:30PM

Dunedin wrote: »

Re colour of cattle. How you explain same cow and same bull bring red calf one year and black calf following year. I’ve had this quite a few times.

The first thing I look for is a live calf and the last thing I look for is a particular colour. I finish all at stock here and I can tell you the colour has no bearing on the price when they’re hanging up.

I used to sell a few springers at home. Lads only wanted red ones. I’ve seen lads leave better black heifers behind and take a red one.

Black is dominant over red which is why when u put a Red Bull on friesican cow u get a black calf, but the resulting calf has a red gene in it but it’s not shown so when u cross again it has a 50:50 chance of being red or black

Bought a serious black lim heifer here this , will have a serious blue calf

memorystick · 04-01-2021 08:04PM

Butcher Boy wrote: »

why?

Could be a touch of Jr or so I’ve been told.

You never see those Black Whiteheads with the splats of black across their heads anymore.

k mac · 05-01-2021 11:27AM

memorystick wrote: »

Could be a touch of Jr or so I’ve been told.

You never see those Black Whiteheads with the splats of black across their heads anymore.

If they have the splats of black across their heads does that mean there is jersey in them?

Butcher Boy · 05-01-2021 05:19PM

memorystick wrote: »

Could be a touch of Jr or so I’ve been told.

You never see those Black Whiteheads with the splats of black across their heads anymore.

Just wondering I bought a real nice red lm incalf heifer off my brother she had a black nose it is all continental cows he keeps where did the black nose come from.

Base price · 05-01-2021 06:51PM

Butcher Boy wrote: »

Just wondering I bought a real nice red lm incalf heifer off my brother she had a black nose it is all continental cows he keeps where did the black nose come from.

There could be angus or aubrac in the heifer.
Some/if not all dairy farmers with cross bred herds (FRx/JEx) use aubrac as well as hereford and angus ai on cows to try and disguise the Jersey influence in the calves.
Edit to add - piedmontese have black noses too.

memorystick · 05-01-2021 07:49PM

Black noses matter.

Say my name · 05-01-2021 07:59PM

Butcher Boy wrote: »

Just wondering I bought a real nice red lm incalf heifer off my brother she had a black nose it is all continental cows he keeps where did the black nose come from.

You can get pedigree limousins with black muzzles.
You can get pedigree limousins with black all over too.

marathon · 05-01-2021 10:16PM

Have 3 Angus fat cows at approximately 600 kilos what they worth? They 5 years old and average quality

Grueller · 05-01-2021 10:18PM

marathon wrote: »

Have 3 Angus fat cows at approximately 600 kilos what they worth? They 5 years old and average quality

€950-€1000 I would say but I am not that good at this game.

Who2 · 05-01-2021 10:59PM

marathon wrote: »

Have 3 Angus fat cows at approximately 600 kilos what they worth? They 5 years old and average quality

850-950 depending on quality. culls are only going to go one way over the next while id be guessing.

marathon · 05-01-2021 11:00PM

Who2 wrote: »

850-950 depending on quality. culls are only going to go one way over the next while id be guessing.

I’m geussing u mean downward in price?

Who2 · 05-01-2021 11:01PM

marathon wrote: »

I’m geussing u mean downward in price?

yes.

marathon · 05-01-2021 11:02PM

Who2 wrote: »

yes.

Get rid them this week so. Cheers

Base price · 07-01-2021 12:53AM

One reason to postpone mart sales

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/young-single-but-not-to-mingle-594130

ruwithme · 07-01-2021 01:06AM

Base price wrote: »

One reason to postpone mart sales

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/young-single-but-not-to-mingle-594130

I've no idea what the youth may or may not have being up too over Christmas,but i do know off a number of long in the tooth folk round our way who done a damn good bit of socialising in each other's homes over a couple of days at Christmas.

Listening to local radio recently & people moralising over the youth gathering. Clearly wasn't only them at it.

07-01-2021 01:19AM

The two biggest spreaders down here was a contractor who'd a massive Christmas party in the village.
The other was a clown who had a 50th bday party in a marquee he set up at home.

Inexcusable really.

Dozer1 · 08-01-2021 06:43PM

Got text from castleisland mart today new manager in for the new year. Anyone dealt with him before wonder will it bring a return in numbers etc would be great if it came back as a mart

50HX · 08-01-2021 06:59PM

Dozer1 wrote: »

Got text from castleisland mart today new manager in for the new year. Anyone dealt with him before wonder will it bring a return in numbers etc would be great if it came back as a mart

Is hoperfect so

It was "the"weakling mart one time

It'll be interesting to see if it hits gortatlea

08-01-2021 07:39PM

50HX wrote: »

Is hoperfect so

It was "the"weakling mart one time

It'll be interesting to see if it hits gortatlea

Pity he didn't get the job after Dick when he knew the run of the place so well.

cute geoge · 08-01-2021 07:48PM

who is the man ye are on about

08-01-2021 08:03PM

cute geoge wrote: »

who is the man ye are on about

Neillus mc auliffe from Cordal. He's the manager in Dingle. He used to be an auctioneer in Castleisland years ago.

Murang · 08-01-2021 10:03PM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

The two biggest spreaders down here was a contractor who'd a massive Christmas party in the village.
The other was a clown who had a 50th bday party in a marquee he set up at home.

Inexcusable really.

They should be charged and fined about 10 grand each that’s the only way to cut out that stupidity

Albert Johnson · 14-01-2021 01:56PM

Sold 5 bullocks in Castlerea today for an uncle, 4 CHx nd 1 Sim/CHx all spring 19 born.

785kg €1690 (Sim/CHX)
745kg €1610 orange CHx
605kg €1350 white CHx
610kg €1410 orange CHx
585kg €1370 orange CHx

They'd have been bought as weanlings in autumn 2019 and he'd have sold the 2 oldest heaviest bullocks last October but got locked with Tb so only got clear last week. He'd have been feeding lots of nuts all winter but I thought he got on good enough, he's happy himself and I'll buy a few replacements in the coming weeks.

Bass Reeves · 14-01-2021 02:08PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Sold 5 bullocks in Castlerea today for an uncle, 4 CHx nd 1 Sim/CHx all spring 19 born.

785kg €1690 (Sim/CHX)
745kg €1610 orange CHx
605kg €1350 white CHx
610kg €1410 orange CHx
585kg €1370 orange CHx

They'd have been bought as weanlings in autumn 2019 and he'd have sold the 2 oldest heaviest bullocks last October but got locked with Tb so only got clear last week. He'd have been feeding lots of nuts all winter but I thought he got on good enough, he's happy himself and I'll buy a few replacements in the coming weeks.

The first two would probably have made 50ish more in the factory provided he was QA. The third made about 60-70 more than the factory the last two made up on a hundred more than factory price. On balance he about 200 ahead of factory price on the 5, in total

Albert Johnson · 14-01-2021 02:14PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The first two would probably have made 50ish more in the factory provided he was QA. The third made about 60-70 more than the factory the last two made up on a hundred more than factory price. On balance he about 200 ahead of factory price on the 5, in total

He's not QA and the heaviest bullock was the worst fleshed and grading bullock imo, he was a gutty type lad but weighed well. The second bullock was the pick of them, a big long tight sort. He'd carry more weight but probably was fleshed enough. The other 3 were much of a muchness and weighed well but they'd have lots of nuts got.

DBK1 · 14-01-2021 03:41PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Sold 5 bullocks in Castlerea today for an uncle, 4 CHx nd 1 Sim/CHx all spring 19 born.

785kg €1690 (Sim/CHX)
745kg €1610 orange CHx
605kg €1350 white CHx
610kg €1410 orange CHx
585kg €1370 orange CHx

They'd have been bought as weanlings in autumn 2019 and he'd have sold the 2 oldest heaviest bullocks last October but got locked with Tb so only got clear last week. He'd have been feeding lots of nuts all winter but I thought he got on good enough, he's happy himself and I'll buy a few replacements in the coming weeks.

For non QA and assuming they were grading R/R+ he definitely surpassed what he would get in the factory. The factory agents buying in the mart would be expecting 58 to 60% killout based on the mart weight for R grades. That would be equal to a 55 to 57% killout on a fresh weight in your yard. On them figures he’s going home with a few hundred more than he would have got in the factory.

That then leads to a few questions; if they were near fit to kill how does that man that bought them get a twist out of them? Is he getting them in as QA even though they probably won’t be in his herd for the required time?

And as a matter of interest where does the non QA meat go to does anyone know? The Bord Bia regulations we all have to meet are to keep the foreign trade happy so you would assume there’s no non QA meat being exported. We are told only to buy meat with the Bord Bia logo in shops here so where does the non QA meat go?

k mac · 14-01-2021 04:28PM

Jjameson wrote: »

All beef from last 70 days on QA farm is labelled as QA regardless of movements age or grade, this label only really applies then to large British retail, a few European retailers ,our own domestic retail, and of course Mac Donald’s. Bord bia were claiming Chinese buyers of offal and cheap trim but in fairness that would look illogical to all but the most naive of us.

Bord bia inspect producers at similar intervals to the processors and I have never been able to deduce how intrusive they are allowed to be on a scheduled day in such an environment!

All non bord bia labelled beef is terrible stuff that can’t be sold of course...

Am a bit confused by this. Basically if I am quality assured and have cattle with more than 4 movements that I bring to the factory I won' t get the QA bonus as they have too many movements. However the meat from the same cattle can be classed as QA as they spent more than the last 70 days on my QA farm before being slaughtered. I'm praying I have this wrong...or I will be rightly pissed off!!

Bass Reeves · 14-01-2021 04:43PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

He's not QA and the heaviest bullock was the worst fleshed and grading bullock imo, he was a gutty type lad but weighed well. The second bullock was the pick of them, a big long tight sort. He'd carry more weight but probably was fleshed enough. The other 3 were much of a muchness and weighed well but they'd have lots of nuts got.

For Non QA cattle he was another 380 ahead and that is if the processor was willing to pay same base for non QA cattle some processor's pay 10-20c lower base.

I not sure if these cattle would KO 58-60% off mart weight. The lighter ones would be 3-/= at best. The Gutty lad might only grade R-/=. He was probably dairy breeding nothing wrong with that as long as they have good weight gain.

O have seldom see a CH that would not carry more weight. However they can often be ok spec wise at 600kgs LW. There is no penalty for FS2+ when an animal is grading R- or better.

Neighbour took a pair of CH bullocks to the mart last September. They weighted 575kgs and were only making 1050. He refused to sell he was looking for 2/kg. He had a few.more as well heifers and Bullocks so fed them outside on 3kgs, silage and grass as long as they had it early December. The two he refused to sell killed around 360 and made 1430 net. The heifers netted about 1260 euro and an AA bullock made nearly 1300 euro. He slaughtered them before Christmas. He has another six to go yet

Albert Johnson · 14-01-2021 05:11PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

For Non QA cattle he was another 380 ahead and that is if the processor was willing to pay same base for non QA cattle some processor's pay 10-20c lower base.

I not sure if these cattle would KO 58-60% off mart weight. The lighter ones would be 3-/= at best. The Gutty lad might only grade R-/=. He was probably dairy breeding nothing wrong with that as long as they have good weight gain.

O have seldom see a CH that would not carry more weight. However they can often be ok spec wise at 600kgs LW. There is no penalty for FS2+ when an animal is grading R- or better.

Neighbour took a pair of CH bullocks to the mart last September. They weighted 575kgs and were only making 1050. He refused to sell he was looking for 2/kg. He had a few.more as well heifers and Bullocks so fed them outside on 3kgs, silage and grass as long as they had it early December. The two he refused to sell killed around 360 and made 1430 net. The heifers netted about 1260 euro and an AA bullock made nearly 1300 euro. He slaughtered them before Christmas. He has another six to go yet

I doubt if they'd kill out 58%-60% off mart weight either as they were only about 4 hours in the mart with an hours transport so they'd hardly be emptied out that much. The gutty lad was suckler bred but he was big in the middle and more like a cow than a bullock when it came to confirmation. Maybe I was being overly harsh on him but I'd still consider him the poorest quality of the bunch.

I agree that most CHx would be fit to take more feeding and oftentimes it's fit rather than fat that's the deciding factor. However imo this lad was a right sort of a bullock and I'd reckon you could feed him until June and he'd still be okay fat wise. Tbh I thought he'd have closed nearer to the €1700 given what the first bullock made but I still wasn't complaining.

Without seeing your neighbours bullocks that was poor money in September for them at that weight. I'm assuming they were still under age and had sufficient time left to slaughter? I'd consider €2 a kilo the minimum price for average continental stores at any time and I'd be hoping for another 10 or 15 cents with it.

Mart Price Tracker

Comments