Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

doublejobbing 2 · 06-01-2021 12:34PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How have the other states kept numbers so low without going “full retard”?

Mandatory 14 day quarantine in a hotel, paid for out of your own pocket.

Our second, slow building wave was re imported in August by people going on holidays to Spain and mixing with UK holidaymakers, as well as people bringing it back from the likes of Romania (why was the first major summer outbreak in Ireland in meat plants do you think).

It went from these locations to the schools, spread in the schools back into the households.

But Commander Tony blames the pubs. It is quite simple- if we had not allowed people to engage in non essential travel over the summer we would likely be dealing with about a dozen cases per week since July, if that. The only thing still shut would, possibly, be nightclubs.

Tazz T · 06-01-2021 12:37PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

And yes, that would involve shutting the Northern border. So what.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. It would not involve shutting down the Northern border if the two jurisdictions worked together.

You might as well say: 'And yes, that would involve creating a united ireland. So what.'

doublejobbing 2 · 06-01-2021 12:39PM

Tazz T wrote: »

That's a ridiculous thing to say. It would not involve shutting down the Northern border if the two jurisdictions worked together.

You might as well say: 'And yes, that would involve creating a united ireland. So what.'

No point in shutting the Northern border when our government would never in a thousand years alienate the EU by shutting our border with them.

Remember in the first wave, Slovakia wouldn't even let their own citizens back into the country let alone other EU citizens. Imagine our lot having the balls to do that.

mandrake04 · 06-01-2021 12:45PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

How have the other states kept numbers so low without going “full retard”?

There's about 6500 arrivals per week and they all go into quarantine, virus is trapped in hotel room. If it escapes you hunt it down.

Melbourne has a leftard government, instead of using the military to secure the hotels Dan Andrews thought it to "confrontational" and had security guards being paid $20/hr who also moonlighted as Uber drivers. These guys were letting travelers out to visit 7/11, go for walks etc. Classic Retard stuff.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-01-2021 12:48PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

No point in shutting the Northern border when our government would never in a thousand years alienate the EU by shutting our border with them.

Remember in the first wave, Slovakia wouldn't even let their own citizens back into the country let alone other EU citizens. Imagine our lot having the balls to do that.

Imagine our citizens supporting a government who does that...

We have the government we vote for. We train them in how to behave. They evolve to fit our vote. We would not appreciate a government doing things like that, even if it is the right thing to do.

doublejobbing 2 · 06-01-2021 12:55PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Imagine our citizens supporting a government who does that...

We have the government we vote for. We train them in how to behave. They evolve to fit our vote. We would not appreciate a government doing things like that, even if it is the right thing to do.

Speak for yourself. You wouldn't support stopping a few hundred thousand people taking a summer holiday, to avoid this mess?

We are 19 billion euro in the red. Do you know how many motorways, houses, hospitals that money could have bought?

All because our waste of space government couldn't be bothered stopping foreign travel. Yet I can't legally stall to my mates for a few cans 5km away.

El_Duderino 09 · 06-01-2021 01:58PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Speak for yourself. You wouldn't support stopping a few hundred thousand people taking a summer holiday, to avoid this mess?

We are 19 billion euro in the red. Do you know how many motorways, houses, hospitals that money could have bought?

All because our waste of space government couldn't be bothered stopping foreign travel. Yet I can't legally stall to my mates for a few cans 5km away.

I’m not speaking for myself. Look around this thread and the others like it. Lots of people think every proactive step the government takes is a step too far. There were posters in this thread in December calling for pubs to reopen. Hard to imagine that people were so far off the mark but they won’t admit they were wrong.

The fact that Michael Lowry is the safest politician in the country shows you that we don’t vote for politicians who make right choices

fin12 · 06-01-2021 01:59PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not speaking for myself. Look around this thread and the others like it. Lots of people think every proactive step the government takes is a step too far. There were posters in this thread in December calling for pubs to reopen. Hard to imagine that people were so far off the mark but they won’t admit they were wrong.

The fact that Michael Lowry is the safest politician in the country shows you that we don’t vote for politicians who make right choices

If they never opened the food pubs in December, the cases would still be through the roof. People were always going to mix at Christmas in private homes.

RocketRaccoon · 06-01-2021 02:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Imagine our citizens supporting a government who does that...

We have the government we vote for. We train them in how to behave. They evolve to fit our vote. We would not appreciate a government doing things like that, even if it is the right thing to do.

Would i have made a severe sacrifice for 2-3 months to wipe this thing out rather than what we have now? Absolutely.

As it stands, I have lost my job which I have trained for years to get to the level I was at. There's no light at the end of that particular tunnel so I have instead started in a near minimum wage job in a completely unrelated field to ensure me and my family have an income.

My kids are missing out on their school and social lives again which is entirely unfair on them.

My wife has had a family member die in a nursing home through no fault of her own. We didn't even get to have a proper funeral and say our goodbyes.

Hundreds of thousands of people are in similar situations so yes, I think, with hindsight the majority of the country would have been OK with sacrificing back at the start of all this. Anyone who wouldn't is a moron.

beggars_bush · 06-01-2021 02:36PM

Closing off licences for 2/3 weeks might help things

Are pubs still allowed do take away pints?

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 02:47PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Closing off licences for 2/3 weeks might help things

Are pubs still allowed do take away pints?

They are right now but that will be stopped very soon.

Macy0161 · 06-01-2021 02:50PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but the Irish test and trace system is a joke. They catch all the cases transmitted in the home because they’re the easy ones. They haven’t a clue when it comes to harder to trace cases.

My work briefly involved working with the UK test and trace system and it’s the same. It’s a token gesture at tracing. So they can get the case sin the home and can’t trace the vast majority of cases.

If they attribute 19 cases to pubs in these time, that doesn’t mean they’re were only 19 cases in the pub. It means they CONFIRMED 19 cases in the pub. And they are two very different things.

And "Community Transmission" is basically they didn't go back far enough to find the source. It's only 48 hours here.

I really don't get why people buy into the whole household transmission = house parties (so close the off licences) either. I'd fully expect if one of my household got Covid, the rest of the house would go down with it too, despite not hosting or going to a house party!

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 02:58PM

Pcgamer wrote: »

No its not. GAA clubs don't allow dogs on their grounds whatsoever.

My local GAA club like many others has a public walkway including for dog walkers inside the perimeter of its grounds and all dogs have to be kept on a lead. I never stated that dogs were ever allowed on the playing pitches if that`s what you are getting at.

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 03:04PM

fin12 wrote: »

The data is with all the dog ****e from his local GAA grounds....

Ha ha, hilarious..................not.

retalivity · 06-01-2021 03:31PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Closing off licences for 2/3 weeks might help things

Are pubs still allowed do take away pints?

Do people think that the only thing being consumed at house parties is alcohol??

hynesie08 · 06-01-2021 04:11PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

They are right now but that will be stopped very soon.

On what grounds would they be able to stop them??

Tenzor07 · 06-01-2021 05:18PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

They are right now but that will be stopped very soon.

Looks like you got your wish: https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0106/1187945-coronavirus-blog/

No publican should be selling take-away pints - Taoiseach Micheál Martin.

— Fergal Bowers (@FergalBowers) January 6, 2021

Pcgamer · 06-01-2021 05:23PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Closing off licences for 2/3 weeks might help things

Are pubs still allowed do take away pints?

Do you realize what would happen if they closed off licenses?

Over health care system would be more overloaded than covid numbers by a huge percentage. There would be thousands upon thousands in hospital who would have to detox under medical supervision.

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 05:26PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Looks like you got your wish: https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0106/1187945-coronavirus-blog/

Let`s hope it will be properly enforced this time. Needs to be a strict crackdown on shebeens as well.

stephenjmcd · 06-01-2021 05:30PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Looks like you got your wish: https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0106/1187945-coronavirus-blog/

No he didn't, no change listed anywhere on gov.ie and was followed up at the press conference

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1346868507644977155?s=19

weldoninhio · 06-01-2021 05:30PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Closing off licences for 2/3 weeks might help things

Are pubs still allowed do take away pints?

By help things do you mean overwhelm hospitals even more??

Tenzor07 · 06-01-2021 05:32PM

Pcgamer wrote: »

Do you realize what would happen if they closed off licenses? Over health care system would be more overloaded than covid numbers by a huge percentage. There would be thousands upon thousands in hospital who would have to detox under medical supervision.

I can imagine the chaos if Mehole Martin announced that, you'd have the shelves of every off-licence stripped in minutes... plus the sale of alcohol will go into the black market(like a lot of other things)... trips over the border too....

Pcgamer · 06-01-2021 05:37PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I can imagine the chaos if Mehole Martin announced that, you'd have the shelves of every off-licence stripped in minutes... plus the sale of alcohol will go into the black market(like a lot of other things)... trips over the border too....

Suicide rates would skyrocket as well, break ins everywhere.

PommieBast · 06-01-2021 05:37PM

Pcgamer wrote: »

Over health care system would be more overloaded than covid numbers by a huge percentage. There would be thousands upon thousands in hospital who would have to detox under medical supervision.

You'll also have those who will end up drinking IPA cocktails and bathtub gin..

Tenzor07 · 06-01-2021 05:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No he didn't, no change listed anywhere on gov.ie and was followed up at the press conference

How many businesses will go against that request, how many of them want to ignore the "request" in the face of high case numbers? Very few if any i'd say...

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 05:50PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How many businesses will go against that request, how many of them want to ignore the "request" in the face of high case numbers? Very few if any i'd say...

Any that do need to be named and shamed, The time for the kid gloves approach is over. A zero tolerance policy is what is needed.

Tenzor07 · 06-01-2021 06:01PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Any that do need to be named and shamed, The time for the kid gloves approach is over. A zero tolerance policy is what is needed.

Don't worry, i'm sure that will happen now.

John O.Groats · 06-01-2021 06:58PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Don't worry, i'm sure that will happen now.

Hopefully.

nullzero · 06-01-2021 07:01PM

How about people put their dependence on alcohol on the back burner so we can all get back to living normal lives again, you know, personal responsibility.

Of course we can't do that.

Of all the faults we have as a people, the need to get p1ssed at all times is our least endearing.

weldoninhio · 06-01-2021 08:20PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Any that do need to be named and shamed, The time for the kid gloves approach is over. A zero tolerance policy is what is needed.

Named and shamed for doing something perfectly legal?? FFS, the thread has jumped the shark.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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