Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Larbre34

Headshot wrote: »

Oh wow

It's kicking off now

Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling going off on Trump and he's baseless lies on Georgia Voting

That guy is a hero. He has literally had himself and his family threatened with lynching by the fascist Trumpites and every time he doubles down on what is right.

If the Lincolnites break away from the GOP, they could do worse than get behind a man like Sterling as a figurehead.

Larbre34

froog wrote: »

Dems have written a letter to the fbi asking for a criminal investigation into trumps call, citing clearly 2 federal and one state law he clearly broke. As its a criminal matter, hard to see him wriggling out of it.

It has been leaked, that Prestwick Airport in Scotland has had a flight plan filed for the arrival of a US Air Force Boeing 757 on January 19th next.

Wray will have to arrest Trump while he is still President.

'Ginger, get the popcorn.'

dogbert27

It really comes down to who has the bravery to push through with pressing these charges against a president.

Otherwise this will just be another Trump talking point just like "I can grab them by the p×××y". Where was the hashtag metoo movement on that one?

Christy42

I doubt they will do anything to him while he is still in office. Easier to let the problem run away.

Then his supporters will treat him as a government in exile from the CCP and aren't they the same as Taiwan and complaining about gun laws which will likely not even have changed but anyway.

robinph

Larbre34 wrote: »

It has been leaked, that Prestwick Airport in Scotland has had a flight plan filed for the arrival of a US Air Force Boeing 757 on January 19th next.

Wray will have to arrest Trump while he is still President.

'Ginger, get the popcorn.'

Whilst whatever plane he is on until the inauguration is Air Force One, why would the secret service allow him to fly on a physical plane that isn't the recognised one with all the security measures installed whilst he's still president? It's just distraction tactics and trying to change the story.

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

I think that ones unsourced / probably not true, unfortunately.

Larbre34 wrote: »

A quote attributed to a People Magazine interview of Trump a long time back was fabricated, never happened. He was a registered Democrat for donkeys years however.

Yeah not sure as to the accuracy of it, hence saying attributed to him.

aloyisious

Given the fact that Trump was caught by surprise by the revelations of the recorded call between him and Sec Raffensperger and had to try cover up that error in judgement on his part that some-one could be smarter than him by launching a suit claiming the recording was made illegally, it shows how god-like [IMO personal opinion] he is in his imagined world. The fact that he must have disregarded the warnings from his staff of the obvious risks in holding a multi-person phone chat without the safeguards they gave him is evidence of the Trump team attitude dating back to the date/time he took the call way back from his personal roving ambassador-appointee to Ukraine [the contents of which were revealed during his senate impeachment hearing] in a multi-person conversation then which was also audibly recorded back then. I have to wonder now how his personal filial family [not his self-alleged loyal staff family] are responding to the legal gaffes he's been allowed make. There's been no comment made lately about his own family members on his White House staff having input into his public statements over the past few days, including the definitive recorded conversation he [and his personal W/H staff] had with Sec Raffensperger and lawyer Germany. ALL presidential statements have to kept on the library of Congress record [presumably whether he was aware or not that at least one other person in the multi-person conversation was making an audible recording of the conversation]. It's on the record without a prior lawyerly statement that conversation "this is off the record".

L1011

robinph wrote: »

Whilst whatever plane he is on until the inauguration is Air Force One, why would the secret service allow him to fly on a physical plane that isn't the recognised one with all the security measures installed whilst he's still president? It's just distraction tactics and trying to change the story.

Those 757s meet the standards and are used as AF1 occasionally

It is possible it's not for him, obviously. Family heading to the hotel is one potential

aloyisious

DubInMeath wrote: »

Fairly sure that a quote attributed to him from years ago saying that he would run as a republican/conservative because they were easier to manipulate has been posted a few times.

Ta for that, I wasn't aware of this report of him making a public statement on the fallibility of the GOP versus the Democrats.

aloyisious

One has to ask why Ted Cruz is so emphatic in his support of Trump given the public differences between him and Trump in recent and distant past. Has Ted foresworn any loyalty to the GOP voters in the grassroots that actually elected him into office to that he seems to owe to Trump sitting in the Oval Office in Washington after loyal-to-the-US-Constitution voter-elected GOP officials from the grassroots supervised the elections to ensure they were free and fair.

The decision on whether Ted and others have foresworn their oaths of office to the constitution and the citizens in favour of the leavings from Trump's table in the White House as against the future of the democracy they want their children to have full favour and trust in is there for ALL Georgian-state U.S citizen voters to decide on in the next day or so. Vote [in absentia] for a crook or for the democracy the crook wants to swindle the voter out of.

Glico Man

aloyisious wrote: »

One has to ask why Ted Cruz is so emphatic in his support of Trump given the public differences between him and Trump in recent and distant past. Has Ted foresworn any loyalty to the GOP voters in the grassroots that actually elected him into office to that he seems to owe to Trump sitting in the Oval Office in Washington after loyal-to-the-US-Constitution voter-elected GOP officials from the grassroots supervised the elections to ensure they were free and fair.

The decision on whether Ted and others have foresworn their oaths of office to the constitution and the citizens in favour of the leavings from Trump's table in the White House as against the future of the democracy they want their children to have full favour and trust in is there for ALL Georgian-state U.S citizen voters to decide on in the next day or so. Vote [in absentia] for a crook or for the democracy the crook wants to swindle the voter out of.

I think Ted is a career politician. Like many others before him craves the power that he has. He'll do whatever, and say whatever it takes to cling to that power. Like most other Republicans against Biden's victory, he knows and most likely hopes, that Trump supporters will hear his opposition and remember him when it comes to the polls next time out when he runs for President himself again in 2024. Those opposing Biden's win are going to continue to ride the Trump train until such time as his supporters usefulness is deemed expired.

It's a surprise that he is so vehement in his support of Trump though considering, like you said his previous with Trump, it also shows the man is utterly spineless. How could anyone possibly side with Trump if he called your wife ugly and your dad the JFK assassin?

His 2024 running slogan has been made already.

"Won't defend his 'ugly' wife, Dad killed JFK, Cory Chase fanatic and devoid of any backbone. Vote Ted Cruz. America's bootlicker"

Brian?

aloyisious wrote: »

One has to ask why Ted Cruz is so emphatic in his support of Trump given the public differences between him and Trump in recent and distant past. Has Ted foresworn any loyalty to the GOP voters in the grassroots that actually elected him into office to that he seems to owe to Trump sitting in the Oval Office in Washington after loyal-to-the-US-Constitution voter-elected GOP officials from the grassroots supervised the elections to ensure they were free and fair.

The decision on whether Ted and others have foresworn their oaths of office to the constitution and the citizens in favour of the leavings from Trump's table in the White House as against the future of the democracy they want their children to have full favour and trust in is there for ALL Georgian-state U.S citizen voters to decide on in the next day or so. Vote [in absentia] for a crook or for the democracy the crook wants to swindle the voter out of.

Because Ted is lining up early for 2024. He's courting the Trump base.

It's easily forgotten, but Cruz was playing the populist game before Trump came along. He was a favourite of the Tea Party and was endorsed by Palin, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum in the primaries for his first Senate seat. He's a Southern Baptist (I suspect as a matter of political convenience), who is strongly anti abortion and marriage equality. He is the perfect candidate for evangelicals.

He's also a creep mind you. Genuinely one of the least likeable politicians in the US.

circadian

Yep Cruz is playing the game, he's backing Trump in the open but I wouldn't doubt for a second he's the one driving the knife. The more severe the fallout of Trumps removal from the Whitehouse the more rage and unrest Cruz can latch on to.

The republicans are now split between the more moderate but will always vote GOP demographic and the fundamentalist Trump supporter who he needs to win over. The Democrats might find themselves with a very small window to try and patch the system up before 2024 rolls around, gerrymandering being a massive issue that needs addressed.

Overheal

circadian wrote: »

Yep Cruz is playing the game, he's backing Trump in the open but I wouldn't doubt for a second he's the one driving the knife. The more severe the fallout of Trumps removal from the Whitehouse the more rage and unrest Cruz can latch on to.

The republicans are now split between the more moderate but will always vote GOP demographic and the fundamentalist Trump supporter who he needs to win over. The Democrats might find themselves with a very small window to try and patch the system up before 2024 rolls around, gerrymandering being a massive issue that needs addressed.

Hawkley interview with Bret Baier just made it clear they’re doing this only because their constituencies demand the chest pounding. It’s the crowd that eats it up when Jim Jordan gives us another rousing round of his patented “I’m incredulous and confused about basic realities it sickens me” routine. Thank GOD they can each only talk once per 2 hour debate! None of that normal time swapping horse crap allowed here. (3 US Code § 17)

Tchaikovsky

Larbre34 wrote: »

It has been leaked, that Prestwick Airport in Scotland has had a flight plan filed for the arrival of a US Air Force Boeing 757 on January 19th next.

Wray will have to arrest Trump while he is still President.

'Ginger, get the popcorn.'

Scotland is now in full lockdown and the Trumps are a walking Covid petri dish. Any chance they tell him to piss off?

kowloon

Glico Man wrote: »

His 2024 running slogan has been made already.

"Won't defend his 'ugly' wife, Dad killed JFK, Cory Chase fanatic and devoid of any backbone. Vote Ted Cruz. America's bootlicker"

So I looked up who the hell Cory Chase was and now I have to wipe my internet history. It's the pornstar he "liked".

amandstu

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Scotland is now in full lockdown and the Trumps are a walking Covid petri dish. Any chance they tell him to piss off?

Sturgeon now saying that golfing does not count as an essential activity:)

Actually he is not an essential human being.

Some 30 years ago I ran into an Aussie in Scotland who cleared the D of Edinburgh and his hunting pals from his land (reminds me a bit of that now)

Dohnjoe

So what's the predictions for the runoffs?

GOP win both, Trump: "The state is red, this proves the election results here were fixed"

GOP lose both, Trump: "Election fraud"

pixelburp

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So what's the predictions for the runoffs?

GOP win both, Trump: "The state is red, this proves the election results here were fixed"

GOP lose both, Trump: "Election fraud"

Looks like there's less than 2% between both contests with the Democrats in the lead. But then as 538 mentions there's a dearth of good pollsters active in the campaign so who knows. Certainly looking at the polls there's a lot of what they rate as C level companies. Sounds like there's a lot of early votes but I don't know where they're coming from that they might indicate any trend towards a result.

aloyisious

amandstu wrote: »

Sturgeon now saying that golfing does not count as an essential activity:)

Actually he is not an essential human being.

Some 30 years ago I ran into an Aussie in Scotland who cleared the D of Edinburgh and his hunting pals from his land (reminds me a bit of that now

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/pages/exemptions/

I don't see the US mentioned on the exempted "from two weeks self-isolation and form-filling" list in the link above. I don't see the US mentioned in the document, though it does mention the US Virgin Islands.

beggars_bush

aloyisious wrote: »

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/pages/exemptions/

I don't see the US mentioned on the exempted "from two weeks self-isolation and form-filling" list in the link above. I don't see the US mentioned in the document, though it does mention the US Virgin Islands.

Probably for tax dodging brits

Detritus70

On the subject of Trump being the symptom rather than the cause, this is just how fcuked up American society is

"A third reason to wonder about the United States’ continued good fortune is the series of wounds Americans decided to inflict on themselves. The list is long: the ; the deliberately manufactured polarization and the resulting gridlock that makes timely action on vital issues difficult to impossible; the fetishizing of “liberty” to the point that millions of Americans think refusing to wear a mask in the middle of a pandemic is not stupid but heroic; the enduring public prominence of a phalanx of liars, charlatans, and trolls who have built lucrative careers spewing a toxic blend of falsehoods and hatred; the pervasive influence of well-funded lobbying organizations whose commitment to truth is paper-thin; the distorting impact of money in U.S. politics and a ramshackle electoral system that increasingly enshrines minority rule; and a foreign-policy elite that is largely free from accountability and seems incapable of learning from past mistakes."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/23/americas-history-of-luck-is-running-out/?utm_source=PostUp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=28726&utm_term=Editors%20Picks%20OC&?tpcc=28726

FreudianSlippers

Larbre34 wrote: »

It has been leaked, that Prestwick Airport in Scotland has had a flight plan filed for the arrival of a US Air Force Boeing 757 on January 19th next.

Wray will have to arrest Trump while he is still President.

'Ginger, get the popcorn.'

Can Prestwick not land the 747? The 757 is usually AF2.

L1011

Prestwick can definitely take the 747; but its quite likely both are prebooked for the rather more important events on the 20th. Anyway, that its for him is still speculation.

breezy1985

pixelburp wrote: »

Looks like there's less than 2% between both contests with the Democrats in the lead. But then as 538 mentions there's a dearth of good pollsters active in the campaign so who knows. Certainly looking at the polls there's a lot of what they rate as C level companies. Sounds like there's a lot of early votes but I don't know where they're coming from that they might indicate any trend towards a result.

What are the bookies saying :):)

FreudianSlippers

pixelburp wrote: »

Looks like there's less than 2% between both contests with the Democrats in the lead. But then as 538 mentions there's a dearth of good pollsters active in the campaign so who knows. Certainly looking at the polls there's a lot of what they rate as C level companies. Sounds like there's a lot of early votes but I don't know where they're coming from that they might indicate any trend towards a result.

Early voting almost 1.1 million more than the last highest turnout, with a pretty large double-digit increase in young, black voters.

Non-Hispanic Black as of today was 41.1% turnout compared to Non-Hispanic White of 42.2%. The problem is that's percentage of registered voters and the Non-Hispanic Whites are registered in much larger numbers. The figures are also showing a pretty large turnout in the over 45s and a large (relatively) percentage but very low actual votes of 18-34.

I think it's going to be another close one.

Leroy42

It's more likely that he is planning on flying to Preswick on 19th to get the US taxpayer to pay for his round trip golf outing. Get one last blast of overcharging the security services for his Scottish golf club.

FreudianSlippers

L1011 wrote: »

Prestwick can definitely take the 747; but its quite likely both are prebooked for the rather more important events on the 20th. Anyway, that its for him is still speculation.

That's kind of what I was getting at in a roundabout way... if he's not going to the inauguration it's hardly the case that he can take the 757 away for the weekend, unless it's him and his family being dropped off there and he was told be couldn't take the 747 (wouldn't like to be the one telling him that).

The whole thing as with much of this guy's "Presidency" is just all a bit odd.

looksee

Isn't he supposed to be having an alternative event on the 20th?

josip

pixelburp wrote: »

Looks like there's less than 2% between both contests with the Democrats in the lead. But then as 538 mentions there's a dearth of good pollsters active in the campaign so who knows. Certainly looking at the polls there's a lot of what they rate as C level companies. Sounds like there's a lot of early votes but I don't know where they're coming from that they might indicate any trend towards a result.

National Research, who have an A/B rating, did one of the more recent polls and found a +4 lead for both Dems.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/georgia-senate-polls/

I think it will be a lot closer than that, but I can't see any earlier polls from National Research so that I can compare with previous polls from a similar demographic/methodology.

Insider Advantage (B-) have conducted 4 polls over the past 2 months and consistently found it either a tie or 1 percentage point either way in both contests.