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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,259 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    You don't see any possibility of this nuclear business escalating even further? I mean, we've had the tit for tat in the Senate over court seats, now someone thinks it's a good idea to do the same in the House?


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Democrats have regained control of the Senate as a result of winning both runoff elections.


  • Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    This is from Adam Schiff's Facebook page, clear words from a politician.
    I wanted to take a moment to explain what's going to happen tomorrow, January 6th, in Congress:

    Since the 2016 election, Donald Trump has careened from crisis to crisis, undermining our democracy at every stage. In doing so, he’s been enabled by Republicans in Congress, and this week, we’ve truly reached a new and dangerous low. With Trump still denying the results of the election, his loyalists in Congress are now doing his bidding in a doomed attempt to ignore the people’s will and overturn the 2020 presidential election results.

    They won’t succeed — we won’t let them — but you deserve to know what’s about to happen and just how dangerous this is.

    For months, Trump has pushed conspiracy theories and made desperate last-minute attempts to hold onto power despite losing both the popular vote and Electoral College in November’s election by a landslide. His legal team and supporters have lost at least 60 lawsuits in the courts. His own Department of Justice found no evidence of voter fraud. But nonetheless, on Sunday, we heard graphic evidence of the president pressuring Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State to “find” him the votes he needed to overturn the results.

    Tomorrow, Congress will undertake our constitutional task to certify the Electoral College results — literally counting the votes that have already been certified by 50 states. This is normally a ceremonial task, since Congress doesn’t elect the president, the voters do, but not this year.

    A dozen Republican Senators — including Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley — and over one hundred Members of Congress have pledged to reject those results in a last-ditch effort to throw out Americans’ votes and steal the election for Donald Trump.

    It goes against the oath they swore. It goes against the very notion of free and fair elections. It goes against our Constitution. It goes against our democracy.

    All of that is abhorrent and anti-democratic. It’s also deeply hypocritical.

    At this time last year, these same Republicans refused to hold Trump accountable during the impeachment for abusing his power, claiming on principle that ‘the voters should decide.’ Well, the voters decided — and Joe Biden won — but since it wasn’t in the GOP’s favor, Republicans no longer want the voters to decide either. So much for principle.

    Never mind that the same election these Republicans falsely claim was rigged, was the very election in which they took office. Apparently, that part of the election was just fine.

    You may find yourself asking, why? Why are they willing to risk their reputation, their duty, their country to do this?

    I’ll tell you: a mixture of personal cowardice and political ambition to placate and satiate Trump’s far-right base which has been fed a steady diet of nothing but conspiracy theories.

    When you excuse every illegal, unconstitutional and corrupt act by a man patently unfit for office, it leads you to the wildly anti-democratic moment we will witness on the Floor of the U.S. House of Representatives tomorrow. It takes your breath away.

    I know they won’t succeed with their last authoritarian gasp tomorrow. We won’t let them. But we have to ask ourselves: what about four years from now? And after that?

    This is not okay, and we cannot tolerate it.

    It’s become clear that the fight to defend our democracy did not end on November 3rd. Far from it.

    And we'll defend our democracy tomorrow.

    — Adam


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Cleta Mitchell "resigns" from her law firm after being identified on the audio tapes.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9116783/Top-DC-lawyer-secretly-advising-Trump-quits-firm-leaked-Georgia-call.html

    What has Trump promised her that would make her choose fighting this obvious losing cause over staying with her law firm?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Romney being attacked by Trump supporters at the airport and on the plane to DC

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9116827/Mitt-Romney-harassed-Trump-supporters-flight-D-C-refuses-block-Bidens-win.html

    It's quite clear the minds of Trump supporters are a different breed of Republican


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    What a glorious morning. Dems likely take the senate. Trump flailing like a fat fish in a frying pan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Looking forward to see what he is actually going to threaten to do to Pence when Biden gets certified today.

    How are the people supporting him not seeing he's a dead horse and a parody of a president apart from just being grifters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭Christy42


    You don't see any possibility of this nuclear business escalating even further? I mean, we've had the tit for tat in the Senate over court seats, now someone thinks it's a good idea to do the same in the House?

    More nuclear than flat out attempting to ignore election results? These things seem to be in a different scale entirely so tit for tat doesn't seem to apply.

    At a certain point someone has to govern or the US is screwed which is the exact opposite of what McConnell tries to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I hear loeffler is very likely to lose her seat but how is the other race panning out?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    I hear loeffler is very likely to lose her seat but how is the other race panning out?

    Ossoff leading by 12.8K votes according to the NYT.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,404 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    This is a disaster for the Republicans, the Democrats now have two years free reign in the Senate. Given Republican obstructionist tactics in the past, they are going to try and stuff every piece of legislation they can through while they have a majority in the next two years. They will not want to be caught out like Obama was when he lost the Senate shortly after winning the Presidency.

    There also has to be some irony that after months of claiming election fraud, maybe Trump himself was responsible for casting doubt in Republican minds over the election process. It will be interesting to see will the Republican party go in a new direction after this, or whether they will double down on Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53,933 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    If the Democrats win in Georgia this of course will finally turn the power in Washington however this maybe finally the end of Trump strangle hold in the GOP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    This is a disaster for the Republicans, the Democrats now have two years free reign in the Senate. Given Republican obstructionist tactics in the past, they are going to try and stuff every piece of legislation they can through while they have a majority in the next two years. They will not want to be caught out like Obama was when he lost the Senate shortly after winning the Presidency.

    There also has to be some irony that after months of claiming election fraud, maybe Trump himself was responsible for casting doubt in Republican minds over the election process. It will be interesting to see will the Republican party go in a new direction after this, or whether they will double down on Trump.

    One of the first things they should do is convince Supreme Court Justice Breyer to retire. They can't risk another Ruth Bader Ginsburg scenario from happening again


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    froog wrote: »
    What a glorious morning. Dems likely take the senate. Trump flailing like a fat fish in a frying pan.


    Today is going to be quite a day in Washington :D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭circadian


    Trumpism isn't going anywhere, Ted Cruz is lining himself up to take the mantle. Best case scenario is that the regular "moderate" GOP voters won't back any of these chancers but the party could very well be heading for a significant split.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭abff


    Assuming the Georgia result goes in line with current expectations, that will leave the senate tied with the VP having the casting vote.

    Does anyone knows what happens if a senator dies or resigns? Does that senator’s party have the right to appoint a successor, or is there an imbalance until the next scheduled senate election, or is there an immediate by-election (or whatever the US equivalent is)? Or does the runner-up in the last election take over the seat (assuming they are available to do so)?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,270 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    abff wrote: »
    Does anyone knows what happens if a senator dies or resigns? Does that senator’s party have the right to appoint a successor, or is there an imbalance until the next scheduled senate election, or is there an immediate by-election (or whatever the US equivalent is)? Or does the runner-up in the last election take over the seat (assuming they are available to do so)?
    The party that wont he seat get to nominate a new senate who'll sit in the seat until next election.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Nody wrote: »
    The party that wont he seat get to nominate a new senate who'll sit in the seat until next election.

    No, that's not how it works. That's how Irish county council seats work :pac:

    Some have special elections (by-elections in this part of the world). Some have interim Senators until the election, some don't. This would be for the rest of the term

    Most are appointed by the Governor and hold it until the next set of elections (not the full term). In many states they are entitled to appoint someone from a different party. At that election, the person who wins gets the rest of the original term.

    Chris Christie gave a Democrat seat in NJ to a Republican when the incumbent died in 2013 for instance; but at the special election the Democrats won the seat back


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,243 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    This is a disaster for the Republicans, the Democrats now have two years free reign in the Senate. Given Republican obstructionist tactics in the past, they are going to try and stuff every piece of legislation they can through while they have a majority in the next two years. They will not want to be caught out like Obama was when he lost the Senate shortly after winning the Presidency.

    There also has to be some irony that after months of claiming election fraud, maybe Trump himself was responsible for casting doubt in Republican minds over the election process. It will be interesting to see will the Republican party go in a new direction after this, or whether they will double down on Trump.

    Didn’t trump mess around for the first 2 years and lose the house?

    Biden needs to ram everything through.
    Reverse all of trumps bad policies ASAP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Didn’t trump mess around for the first 2 years and lose the house?

    Biden needs to ram everything through.
    Reverse all of trumps bad policies ASAP.


    Oh he will. I would say that if the Dems actually do take the Senate, they'll have about a zillion bills ready to go on day 1. Time to get something constructive done now. It's over to them. No excuses.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,243 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Oh he will. I would say that if the Dems actually do take the Senate, they'll have about a zillion bills ready to go on day 1. Time to get something constructive done now. It's over to them. No excuses.

    Biden needs to reverse every single one of trumps bad environmental decisions on day 1.

    Mitch McConnell could be demoted.
    Chuck Schumer could be senate majority leader.

    The meltdowns could be epic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭keepalive213


    It's like Christmas morning on CNN, big goofy grins everywhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,256 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Biden needs to reverse every single one of trumps bad environmental decisions on day 1.

    Mitch McConnell could be demoted.
    Chuck Schumer could be senate majority leader.

    The meltdowns could be epic.


    Biden has already said that the US is rejoining the Paris Climate Accord on day 1 of his presidency, which is huge for everyone. If it's a 50/50 split, who gets to be the leader of the Senate? Is it automatically Schumer because Harris would have a casting vote? No idea how that works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭paul71


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Cleta Mitchell "resigns" from her law firm after being identified on the audio tapes.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9116783/Top-DC-lawyer-secretly-advising-Trump-quits-firm-leaked-Georgia-call.html

    What has Trump promised her that would make her choose fighting this obvious losing cause over staying with her law firm?


    Resigned from her law firm actually means they fired her.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Mod Note

    Read the charter please folks. Calling people "cucks" or "cuckholds" or wishing people get COVID has no place here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's like Christmas morning on CNN, big goofy grins everywhere.
    Not just on CNN, this probably seals his legacy as a one term president. It's doubly pleasing we are also seeing the end of McConnell as a major force of influence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Don't count the chickens yet, it's brilliant it looks like they will take both seats and Georgia has gone decisively blue for this election. SA has done incredible work there.

    Still a razor thin advantage in the senate and not a massive advantage in the house will limit them but no doubt it's much better than Mitch being able to just go to his default setting for the next 4 years.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    circadian wrote: »
    Trumpism isn't going anywhere, Ted Cruz is lining himself up to take the mantle. Best case scenario is that the regular "moderate" GOP voters won't back any of these chancers but the party could very well be heading for a significant split.

    Trumpism isn't a political movement , it's a cult of personality.

    Personality is not a gift that was bestowed on Cruz.

    There are no policies , there are no plans , there's just whatever horsesh!t springs into Trumps brain at any given moment.

    Cruz, Hawley et al are attempting to win-over the Trump zealots , but they really won't be able to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,573 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Trumpism isn't a political movement , it's a cult of personality.

    Personality is not a gift that was bestowed on Cruz.

    There are no policies , there are no plans , there's just whatever horsesh!t springs into Trumps brain at any given moment.

    Cruz, Hawley et al are attempting to win-over the Trump zealots , but they really won't be able to.

    Trumpism has a few key aspects that no career politician can hope to emulate - genuine outsider, can shoot from the hip and absolutely no principles whatsoever. Trump would go Democrat tomorrow if he thought it would give him a chance of staying in office.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Don't count the chickens yet, it's brilliant it looks like they will take both seats and Georgia has gone decisively blue for this election. SA has done incredible work there.

    Still a razor thin advantage in the senate and not a massive advantage in the house will limit them but no doubt it's much better than Mitch being able to just go to his default setting for the next 4 years.

    The reason this matters is because Biden can do the basics: he can get his nominations and his judges through. He can keep the government up and running. He can push forward the non controversial aspects of his legislative agenda (like shoring up existing provisions of the ACA, providing infrastructure / stimulus packages / etc).

    There will be no radical sweeping changes, but Biden cannot be baldly obstructed in the way McConnell would prefer.


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