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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    Apparently its up to 25% now

    As you would expect - it didn't cause the surge. It may exacerbate or extend it. Its out competing our native strain, the grey squirrel of coronavirus


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Bad figures there from UK

    60K new cases

    830 dead in a day

    I want to emphasise how bad this is, and that we are also in this bad situation.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sky News now with that Israel vaccine situation.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I really doubt it was working excellently, there would be surely some indications of huge jump we got lately. Well tracing must have been awful at least and put it together with peeps not turning for tests, not self isolating, going back to work or wherever they go..

    I'm not sure you understand what the role of the testing and tracing system is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Eivor wrote: »
    I wonder why that is? Are we running out of them? Surely they should’ve never stopped increasing the testing capacity from the start

    There are no issues with supply shortage. Lab capacity is 28,000+ a day, and capacity continues to increase.
    You can't analyse swabs that haven't been taken.

    GPs are swamped just referring symptomatic people and public health departments are still trying to get through reporting a backlog of thousands of positive tests.

    The number of swabs taken will reduce due to the change in testing close contacts. I imagine contacts will be tested once transmission is under control again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I;d say for the hundredth time today - the new variant accounted for 10% of swabs here. As someone else said, you don't need to taste the whole pot to know if there is too much salt in the soup

    You're basing that on only 169 cases. In total. That's what DeGascun based his tweet on contradicting the Government.
    We've had 4-6k cases per day. This is not an accurate snapshot. Dr David Nabarro from the WHO was on Radio one this morning, well worth a listen back. He thinks the new variant, combined with Christmas has created the situation we're in now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You did not. How about you give an example instead of worming away?

    It’s quite simple you like to give the impression you are a genuine poster. Absolutely nothing genuine about using the post of a poster who cannot reply to you just to score points. You take this site too seriously and your sneering when it’s pointed out to you rids you of any credibility you think you have.
    I wouldn’t be commenting further on this .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    There are a lot of bad elements to living under a communist regime and working in a large US multinational, however one good thing they share is that they both remove deadwood pretty quickly. Alas the same cannot be said about this government and the Happless S ***es Everywhere with regards to the vaccine rollout, Reid, Donnelly and Martin should be sacked and the sooner the better. Anyone listening to Donnelly on the Hard Shoulder yesterday would be let with the impression that he has no sense of urgency and no initiative. If Martin is happy with 135k vaccinated in 2 months he should be taken out the back and shot, as a fellow Corkman, he is an embarrassment to the county. I'm sure all 3 are trying but they are not fit for purpose and are incompetent


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    10% of a very small sample of swabs (a sample of about 170 swabs IIRC). Not 10% of all swabs.

    A sample is representative and allows you to draw statistically sound conclusions With 16 from 160 the true percentage would be between 5.7 and 15.7%, 95% of the time if you tested the entire population
    With 160 from 1600 the true percentage would be between 8.5 and 11.5%, 95% of the time
    With 2 from 20 the true percentage would be between 1.2 and 32%, 95% of the time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Lowest number of positive swabs since 31st December - we can beat this :)

    Ok, I know, it's only 1 day and the positivity rate is still awful. But, look, maybe we're starting to turn the corner.

    Positivity rate isn't really comparable when you don't test close contacts v's when we were


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    You're basing that on only 169 cases. In total. That's what DeGascun based hsi tweet on contradicting the Government.
    We've had 4-6k cases per day. This is not an accurate snapshot.

    It can be an accurate snapshot, but it depends on the distribution of the population and sampling method (e.g. whether it's representative). It's fairly standard statistics. I don't think any of us here know that much about either the sampling method or the underlying population of swabs, so can't really determine whether it was an adequate sample or not, and what the confidence level was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Eod100 wrote: »
    What's the point though? If they develop symptoms they can get a test anyway. If not they still need to restrict their movements for 14 days so doesn't really change much.

    It will take weeks to bring down the case numbers as they are because people still go to work, shop, use public transport etc before knowing they are sick or a close contact.

    Well, if we factor in that it took 6 weeks to reduce our numbers by 80% between Oct and December how long will it take for us to get back down to 200-250? Factor in the increased transmissibility factor which in turn may result in more household spread (if you are stuck in a house with somebody with the more contagious strain). Then there is a reasonable argument to be had that Oct-Mar is prob the worst period for the virus spreading for multiple reasons highlighted many times on thread.

    Lets be optimistic and say the schools being closed at least until end of month will balance out the new strain impact. I think this extra three weeks really helps us see the major impact on our health system. If it transpires that the new strain does mix easier among children then it will of also be proven to be a vital decision. Regardless, if our healthsystem is under severe strain by the end of the month (which seems inevitable) , opening schools will not of looked like a good decision.

    So if we peak at 7k, by start of march we are at 1400 per day (80% reduction). Then another 6 weeks (mid April) we get down to 280 and by end of May we are down to 56 per day.

    Now thats a basic back of a cigerette pack calc but its not unreasonable to think that we may have 8-12 weeks of heavy restrictions (how heavy I would not predict). But hopefully by April with numbers dramatically dropping along with better weather and most importantly a significant part of the vulnerable population vaccinated, hopefully from April we will see progressively less restrictions and more and more things opening up. (particularly if hospitalizations plummet and the amount of people infected is less relevant from a severity POV).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Amirani wrote: »
    I'm not sure you understand what the role of the testing and tracing system is.

    Ok, if you say so. Testing is probably up to speed for a good while. Tracing..I don't think so.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    omerin wrote: »
    There are a lot of bad elements to living under a communist regime and working in a large US multinational, however one good thing they share is that they both remove deadwood pretty quickly. Alas the same cannot be said about this government and the Happless S ***es Everywhere with regards to the vaccine rollout, Reid, Donnelly and Martin should be sacked and the sooner the better. Anyone listening to Donnelly on the Hard Shoulder yesterday would be let with the impression that he has no sense of urgency and no initiative. If Martin is happy with 135k vaccinated in 2 months he should be taken out the back and shot, as a fellow Corkman, he is an embarrassment to the county. I'm sure all 3 are trying but they are not fit for purpose and are incompetent

    Yon cannot commit to vaccinating more people than conformed doses you will get. How do people not understand this. It takes 270,000 doses to vaccinate 135,000 people, we are getting 40k per week. Do the maths


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're basing that on only 169 cases. In total. That's what DeGascun based his tweet on contradicting the Government.
    We've had 4-6k cases per day. This is not an accurate snapshot. Dr David Nabarro from the WHO was on Radio one this morning, well worth a listen back. He thinks the new variant, combined with Christmas has created the situation we're in now.

    You can draw a conclusion based on any sample size. The more samples, the stronger the conclusion, however 169 is more than enough to give excellent confidence in a reasonably small range.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Stheno wrote: »
    Apparently its up to 25% now
    Link?

    Nevertheless, people need to stop panicking about this strain.

    It's not some magic super-virus. It can't jump across gaps, it can't survive hand sanitiser. It is still just a virus that is allegedly slightly better (21%-70%) at getting access to cells.

    Handwashing, masks, and social distancing are just as effective against this variant, as against the others.

    The current restrictions will work. People need to chill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    It’s quite simple you like to give the impression you are a genuine poster. Absolutely nothing genuine about using the post of a poster who cannot reply to you just to score points. You take this site too seriously and your sneering when it’s pointed out to you rids you of any credibility you think you have.
    I wouldn’t be commenting further on this .
    I'm sorry - is that supposed to be an example of a double standard?
    I may be misinterpreting your use of the word "genuine". I am not trying to score points - I genuinely hope people will not be so dismissive of others' concerns in future. And I was genuinely disappointed at people's (not necessarily boardsie specific) refusal to believe how bad things were likely to get and continue to take precautions accordingly.

    You may be right on taking the site too seriously sometimes, I'll grant :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I want to emphasise how bad this is, and that we are also in this bad situation.

    We are roughly two weeks behind them so I expect our death rates to increase. The good news for us is that we again acted quickly and shut everything down, the UK only shut things down yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Happy4all wrote: »
    People working in healthcare are tested, which is fine.

    NI construction workers are not tested.

    This is a myth...I’ve been working on the “frontline “(hate that term) in healthcare with elderly people since March and have never been offered a Covid test...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭tiredblondie


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Bad figures there from UK

    60K new cases

    830 dead in a day


    It's not 830 dead in a day
    The UK do say "deaths within 28 days of a positive test"

    Statements like that are completely incorrect


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,745 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covid-Organics

    African countries going with a herbal cure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Jaded Walker


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Bad figures there from UK

    60K new cases

    830 dead in a day

    Over 13 times the population of ROI. When we get figures today, multiply by 13 to compare. I don't think there'll be much between us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    You can draw a conclusion based on any sample size. The more samples, the stronger the conclusion, however 169 is more than enough to give excellent confidence in a reasonably small range.

    That’s simply not true. In any case now testing of close contacts isn’t even happening, not to mind there’s talk of symptomatic people not getting access to tests. You’re basing thousands and thousands of test results on this tiny sample, which was also taken before the end of December if I recall correctly. It’s not accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    As you would expect - it didn't cause the surge. It may exacerbate or extend it. Its out competing our native strain, the grey squirrel of coronavirus

    Im hoping the pine marten vaccine gets approval soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    seamus wrote: »

    It is still just a virus that is allegedly "SLIGHTLY" better (21%-70%) at getting access to cells.

    Very equivalent to the "also slight" VAT rate of 21%

    Sure it's hardly worth having it at all, it might as well be 70%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,745 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Not sure it will matter going forward to have 10,000 cases, and 3 deaths. As long as we vaccinate the mostly likely to be effected we should be able to go back to normal.
    HERD immunity will play it's part, it is, whether we like it or noth with these huge daily numbers .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You're basing that on only 169 cases. In total. That's what DeGascun based his tweet on contradicting the Government.
    We've had 4-6k cases per day. This is not an accurate snapshot. Dr David Nabarro from the WHO was on Radio one this morning, well worth a listen back. He thinks the new variant, combined with Christmas has created the situation we're in now.

    You can't know that in fairness.
    If it is representative even such a small sample can still give a quite useful estimate. The margin of error in the proportion will be slightly larger when the population is really big in comparison to the sample but far more important thing is, does it represent the population properly ("swabs" [?positives] from 23rd - 29th December according to https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-strain-coronavirus-b117-ireland-third-wave-5314440-Jan2021/).

    If it does, then the estimate should be good but they should really give a margin of error + confidence etc with it (didn't see where figure was stated originally + presume it might be that journalists probably just leave it out?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,745 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Geez Boris is now repeating my exact words. Vaccinate the most effected, safe lives, cases don't matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Probes wrote: »
    I don't know how to put this any other way, but 135,000 vaccinated by the end of Feb is really, really disappointing.

    I couldn't believe it, it literally exceeded all of my worst case estimate expectations. If most of those are HCW's then it means by March an absolutely minimal number of those actually at risk from dying from it will have been protected 8 weeks fro now, and it's going to be the roughest patch of the entire pandemic for those people between now and that point


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019




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