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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #9182
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    titan18 wrote: »
    Fair enough. My personal opinion is that retail doesn't contribute to the spread as much as hospitality. At these numbers I'd close it just cos too many people have it but I'm pretty ok with it being open at several hundred cases a day, although would like shops to enforce limits of people in them.

    I’m not too sure about that. For example DUndrum sc was open all last week, thronged with young adults, sitting on steps etc, drinking takeaway coffee and eating donuts.

    So close the coffee shops and this is what happens.


  • #9183
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    They're outdoors. Construction should absolutely stay open. It's low risk as regards Covid, and keeps 100,000 people off PUP. Also keeps some vital infrastructure projects afloat and has a big knock on effect on the economy. Not worth it to close it in my opinion.

    How do they all get to work? Piled into a van? . Movement and contact is what is being stopped now - construction workers have to move and contact, so they are in the same boat as everyone else.


  • #9184
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I got a bit of abuse other day for using that word, but yes i agree nobody could have seen this coming.

    I agree no one could see this coming.

    Many people posted in late November that opening up to the extent that we did would see high numbers (as high as 2000 cases a day maybe) by the new year. We were wrong. Its much worse.


  • #9185
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    German press calling the EU vaccine procurement a mess.

    I guess by May/June our own media will start to criticise the EU when they cant go on holidays abroad.

    https://m.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-inland/with-this-letter-by-jens-spahn-the-vaccine-disaster-in-the-eu-begann-74736986,view=amp.bildMobile.html?__twitter_impression=true


  • #9186
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Will Yam wrote: »
    The government has to take a balanced decision, weighing up various things like employment, the public being dog tired of Covid etc etc.

    They dont have the luxury of solely focussing on Covid transmission. If they did they would close the country down permanently until 75% of the country was vaccinated.

    That said, had they, - or anyone else, including NPHET - had any inkling of the eventual explosion in numbers they probably would have taken a different decision.

    But they hadn’t and they didnt.

    True, but even NPHET said cases would increase a lot with opening them. Might not have foreseen 6k a day numbers but even at 1k a day like at Christmas we were closing hairdressers and non essential retail. Their decision actually put more on PUP just to have 3 weeks of restaurants open.


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  • #9187
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I’m not too sure about that. For example DUndrum sc was open all last week, thronged with young adults, sitting on steps etc, drinking takeaway coffee and eating donuts.

    So close the coffee shops and this is what happens.

    Shopping centres seem like quite a different proposition to me than individual shops on a street.

    They were treated differently back at the start, but there's been no distinction on them since.


  • #9188
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I’m not too sure about that. For example DUndrum sc was open all last week, thronged with young adults, sitting on steps etc, drinking takeaway coffee and eating donuts.

    So close the coffee shops and this is what happens.

    I think shopping centres should have to limit the numbers inside like shops do.

    I felt really uncomfortable in december queuing for a computer store to make an essential purchase with massive crowds constantly passing me with no distance.


  • #9189
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I wasn't asking for advice.

    That's a first.
    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Ah come on, all of ye with yer well meaning aka patronising advice for AWTF. Leave her alone. Go past her posts and stop with the If I was you condescension. Why should she do what you "advise"? If she wants to be up to high doh it is her prerogative. Balances out the nothing to see here delusional crap.

    I genuinely don't think 'well meaning' can be considered 'patronising' in thus case Gruffalux. The poster is on here every waking hour from what i can see, relentlessly looking for advice, and I would think she's sending most people a clear signal that she is living in a frantic and hysterical state 24/7. In that regard I agree with you that she's "up to high doh", but shes asking questions so has to live with the well meant answers.

    No-one has to be a health professional to say that it can't be healthy.


  • #9190
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FF Twitter just announced that schools are to be closed until the end of the month and then deleted the tweet. Obviously posted prematurely.



  • #9191
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Martin on radio 1 confirming schools closing until end of January is on agenda today. Say that's it so.
    https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1346464817981231111?s=20

    I personally feel it will be after the February midterm they'll be back but we couldn't possibly speculate.

    Would they ever announce it ffs instead of this holy show dragging on for ages and ages.

    Teachers, parents and students on the line, nobody knowing what to do or what to expect or whether to make plans. It's murder.


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  • #9192
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Plenty of people saw this coming, they were just shouted down.

    Who say it coming, certainly not NPHET or anyone in government.


  • #9193
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    newboard wrote: »
    With the current high numbers relating to a backlog, are there estimates for what the new daily cases happening now are?

    The backlog is barely being touched in the current case numbers. And if it is, it's just being replaced by delaying more recent swabs so in effect there is no real movement yet.

    Swabs for the first 4 days range between 4.5 and 6.5k. That's our best guess on the current daily tally.


  • #9194
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    titan18 wrote: »
    True, but even NPHET said cases would increase a lot with opening them. Might not have foreseen 6k a day numbers but even at 1k a day like at Christmas we were closing hairdressers and non essential retail. Their decision actually put more on PUP just to have 3 weeks of restaurants open.

    A fellow i know earns is living from supplying pubs. He told me that in virtually every pub he went to the only difference between December and normality was no drinking at the bar.

    People moving around, no social distancing etc etc etc. I dont blame the govt for this. I blame the people involved.


  • #9195
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    newboard wrote: »
    With the current high numbers relating to a backlog, are there estimates for what the new daily cases happening now are?

    About 5,000 per day. 5-day-avg swabs are at 5,246 positives, so knock off 5-10% for retests. Although it's not clear how private testing factors into this and the backlog makes it murkier.
    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1346463610319429633?s=20

    I don't understand this. Why would they not be happy? Because it makes them look bad?

    Didn't MM say initially the surge was being driven by the new strain, then the tweet countered this, and now it looks like the new strain is becoming more dominant. So yeah, probably made them look bad.
    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Plenty of people saw this coming, they were just shouted down.

    While my thoughts in mid-december would have been labelled doom-mongering, I certainly didn't think it would go as high as it has and as fast as it has.


  • #9196
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Will Yam wrote: »
    I’m not too sure about that. For example DUndrum sc was open all last week, thronged with young adults, sitting on steps etc, drinking takeaway coffee and eating donuts.

    So close the coffee shops and this is what happens.

    I think at these numbers nearly anything that congregates people contributes to the spread unfortunately. I think at the numbers we had at start of December, we'd have been ok with it. It definitely has an effect of course, but I don't really think it's something that drives it through the roof, especially if all the safety protocols are adhered to like masks, sanitising, capacity limits


  • #9197
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Plenty of people saw this coming, they were just shouted down.

    Can you quote even one reputable source that said our cases would be 5,000/6,000 a day?


  • #9198
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    They're outdoors. Construction should absolutely stay open. It's low risk as regards Covid, and keeps 100,000 people off PUP. Also keeps some vital infrastructure projects afloat and has a big knock on effect on the economy. Not worth it to close it in my opinion.

    Ill be delighted if they keep them off for a while anyway as there making my commute to work a joke.

    Every morning I am working early and the luas is packed with fellas going to sites in town half of them don't wear masks they literally sit on top of you as well. Coughing all over the place and hanging around in groups everywhere I see them.

    Some of the ****e talk out of them when I have the pleasure of over hearing them as well about how the virus isn't real etc.

    Lets be honest every industry where there are large numbers working together in close capacity everyday have had outbreaks where just not hearing about them.


  • #9199
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1346464817981231111?s=20

    I personally feel it will be after the February midterm they'll be back but we couldn't possibly speculate.

    Would they ever announce it ffs instead of this holy show dragging on for ages and ages.

    Teachers, parents and students on the line, nobody knowing what to do or what to expect or whether to make plans. It's murder.

    Leo the leak?????


  • #9200
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    FF Twitter just announced that schools are to be closed until the end of the month and then deleted the tweet. Obviously posted prematurely.

    https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1346464817981231111?s=20





    The government has more leaks than the water system.
    All we are waiting on now is a lord of the rings poem from varadkar and we are all set.
    Turn the clock back to March lads.


  • #9201
    AxleAddict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭AxleAddict


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    We had various people say to us over Christmas- "now I know you aren't having visitors so I'll only pop in for 10 minutes"

    I also had a woman down the road talk to me for fifteen minutes about how she was the most careful person around, how everyone else was breaking the rules and how she was being extra cautious - then she invited me in for a cup of tea.

    Was this her?

    Mrs_Doyle.jpg


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  • #9202
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I genuinely don't think 'well meaning' can be considered 'patronising' in thus case Gruffalux. The poster is on here every waking hour from what i can see, relentlessly looking for advice, and I would think she's sending most people a clear signal that she is living in a frantic and hysterical state 24/7. In that regard I agree with you that she's "up to high doh", but shes asking questions so has to live with the well meant answers.
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I wasn't asking for advice.
    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    That's a first.
    "well-meant"


  • #9203
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Many people posted in late November that opening up to the extent that we did would see high numbers (as high as 2000 cases a day maybe) by the new year. We were wrong. Its much worse.
    That was the line, was it? 2000 cases a day would have been fine, but 3000 isn't.. Oh, if only we'd known, we would have been so much more careful...


  • #9204
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    https://twitter.com/NiamhSmythTD/status/1346466433102876672?s=20


  • #9205
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I agree no one could see this coming.

    Many people posted in late November that opening up to the extent that we did would see high numbers (as high as 2000 cases a day maybe) by the new year. We were wrong. Its much worse.

    The constant downplaying of public health advice and demonising of public health officials on here and elsewhere surely didn't help?

    That was the angle the lobby groups went for and it worked.


  • #9206
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    growleaves wrote: »
    That's awful. Did the tea at least taste nice?

    It was Barry's. I'd be more of a Lyons man myself. But sure once the wine was opened that was quickly forgotten


  • #9207
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The constant downplaying of public health advice and demonising of public health officials on here and elsewhere surely didn't help?

    That was the angle the lobby groups went for and it worked.

    What lobby groups do you speak of.


  • #9208
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    That's a first.



    I genuinely don't think 'well meaning' can be considered 'patronising' in thus case Gruffalux. The poster is on here every waking hour from what i can see, relentlessly looking for advice, and I would think she's sending most people a clear signal that she is living in a frantic and hysterical state 24/7. In that regard I agree with you that she's "up to high doh", but shes asking questions so has to live with the well meant answers.

    No-one has to be a health professional to say that it can't be healthy.

    Feel free to put me on ignore.


  • #9209
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    "Mr Martin said: "By the end of February we will have 135,000 people vaccinated with two doses."

    Thats a bit depressing to hear. Thought the other vaccines would materialise a bit quicker.


  • #9210
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NiamhSmythTD/status/1346466433102876672?s=20

    There is no point in having the current closed meeting process to decide government policy. With the amount of leaks emerging they should just live stream the proceedings so that we all get the info at the same time.

    Gob****e politicians undermining their own process.


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  • #9211
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What lobby groups do you speak of.

    Did I say lobby groups? I meant posters. Specifically though people like yourself.


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