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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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    #9152
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    UK is going to implement stronger border controls. Effectively admitting they got it wrong.
    We'll probably need another wave to make sure. Locking down with no inward travel restriction is dumb.
    He get's called on the "enforcement" bull**** to boot. Not a piers fan by any stretch but he is right.

    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1346381745218859009?s=20


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    #9153
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Guess with non-essential shops closed wouldn't be too many places open there ether.

    Seems to be much less shops open doing click and collect at the moment too. During October it felt like most shops had click and collect open.


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    #9154
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Numbers on Grafton Street feels somewhere between March/April lockdown and October November.

    Although that may be the weather its a good sign.

    So like July?


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    #9155
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    If they are going closing construction it’s an awful pity they didn’t do it before sites reopened this week. Sites coming back to life now for a few days and being mothballed again.


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    #9156
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    monkeybutter wrote: »
    you are going to hit 3000 covid posts by the end of the week, i think thats what they are getting at

    Well there's more here with more posts than me. So maybe have a go at them?


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    #9157
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    marno21 wrote: »
    If they are going closing construction it’s an awful pity they didn’t do it before sites reopened this week. Sites coming back to life now for a few days and being mothballed again.

    I saw one group of builders next to a site huddled in a tight circle having their lunch.

    Stuff like that will get construction closed. Behaviour outside the sites by builders rather than the site itself.


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    #9158
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    lawred2 wrote: »
    in what sense?

    that we can buy a lot of stuff that we don't need?

    but our kids can't go to school

    so beyond wrongheaded

    You think all non essential shopping should be closed just because schools will be?

    Click and collect shopping involves a few minutes of interaction at most.

    Kids in school involves multiple households in close proximity for hours on end - the very thing we're repeatedly told is most risky when it comes to this virus.

    Edit: being annoyed that your kids can't be educated properly is understandable, but that annoyance should be directed at those who failed to come up with a viable plan b for education over the past number of months.


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    #9159
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    jams100 wrote: »
    Are private hospitals still operating as normal?
    Last time they were also shut down but never used, hopefully this time that lesson has been learned, they should only be shut down if and when public hospitals are at capacity

    and what, kick all their patients out?


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    #9160
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Seems to be much less shops open doing click and collect at the moment too. During October it felt like most shops had click and collect open.

    Oh yeah, forgot about click and collect. Yeah could be issues getting staff in with so many cases or think it's not worth the hassle or risk possible.


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    #9161
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    titan18 wrote: »
    So like July?

    Wasn't really around town in July so I couldn't really judge.


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    #9162
    iguana
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 12,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭iguana


    lawred2 wrote: »
    in what sense?

    It's possible they will continue to allow support bubbles for single adult/single adult carer households. They are continuing in the UK under last nights new restrictions.


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    #9163
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.


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    #9164
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You think all non essential shopping should be closed just because schools will be?

    Click and collect shopping involves a few minutes of interaction at most.

    Kids in school involves multiple households in close proximity for hours on end - the very thing we're repeatedly told is most risky when it comes to this virus.

    Tbf, if we're closing things that are more essential like schools and cancelling hospital appointments, I think we're past the point that we should be banning click and collect stuff too. To me, we should be attempting to reduce people's interactions as much as possible and when there are non essential things open like jewellers (as an example), we're not doing that. Get it under control again sooner and we can reopen stuff that are considered less risky then.


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    #9165
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Wasn't really around town in July so I couldn't really judge.

    Was just more of a joke about July being between march/April and October/November.


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    #9166
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    So like July?
    Which was like a quiet Sunday anyway!


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    #9167
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.

    I don't think anyone can know that for definite but based on past experiences I think odds are they wouldn't tbh.


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    #9168
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.

    Didn't they advise that hospitality shouldn't reopen to allow for the household visits and government overruled them


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    #9169
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It's a bizarre irony that people who opposed water charges believe that lockdowns are justified.


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    #9170
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    titan18 wrote: »
    Tbf, if we're closing things that are more essential like schools and cancelling hospital appointments, I think we're past the point that we should be banning click and collect stuff too. To me, we should be attempting to reduce people's interactions as much as possible and when there are non essential things open like jewellers (as an example), we're not doing that. Get it under control again sooner and we can reopen stuff that are considered less risky then.

    The problem is when we close things we are one of the slowest in Europe at reopening anything, its peoples job, livelihoods, mortgages, family that are severely affected.


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    #9171
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.
    Again, 15-30 contacts per person for some explains it all. Add in the high number of cases in the most socially active group of 19-24 and it is not all that surprising but nobody expected these levels of numbers.


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    #9172
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    titan18 wrote: »
    Didn't they advise that hospitality shouldn't reopen to allow for the household visits and government overruled them

    It was one or the other, it was crazy having either looking at numbers now. They ****ed up like everyone else.


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    #9173
    Northernlily
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's a bizarre irony that people who opposed water charges believe that lockdowns are justified.

    Nice nonsensical vague blanket statement.

    Back it up.


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    #9174
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's a bizarre irony that people who opposed water charges believe that lockdowns are justified.

    Who's talking about water charges?


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    #9175
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Russman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.

    Honestly I'd say NPHET, for all that they are concerned purely about public health, knew they'd be wasting their breath advising retail staying closed in the run up to Christmas and also leaving themselves open to the charge of ".....are these guys on planet earth at all ? close shops at Christmas, wtf ...."

    Also your last sentence too, I don't think anyone thought there would be as much socialising as there actually was, rightly or wrongly. Lots of people don't count the "I only dropped in to see aunty Mary for 10 minutes and dropped off a pudding to Jim on the way back..." as socialising. Partially understandably in fairness.


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    #9176
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone can know that for definite but based on past experiences I think odds are they wouldn't tbh.

    Based on past experience, this is exactly what they have done, every single time.


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    #9177
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    1, 300 cases in the North. December 26th restrictions beginning to have an effect.

    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1346458617617264640


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    #9178
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    niallo27 wrote: »
    The problem is when we close things we are one of the slowest in Europe at reopening anything, its peoples job, livelihoods, mortgages, family that are severely affected.

    True, way I'd like to see it go is hard lockdown and once we get cases down a good bit start reopenong stuff like non essential retail, hairdressers and gyms. Leave hospitality off until cases either drop a lot (which I think will take a while) or enough vaccines are there that you can reopen them.


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    #9179
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    If they say bubbles are allowed then they need to make it clear its 1 bubble. Ie, you and your parents are 1 bubble. Your parents shouldn't have another child in another bubble and you shouldn't have a friend in another bubble. I see this all the time on SM. People with 5 and 6 bubbles.


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    #9180
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Again, 15-30 contacts per person for some explains it all. Add in the high number of cases in the most socially active group of 19-24 and it is not all that surprising but nobody expected these levels of numbers.

    Yeah think Prof Nolan said with exponential growth a small change in R number can have massive impact on cases. Modelling is far from a perfect science so can't see how they're expected to know exactly how bad things would have got.

    They can't win either because if they were overly cautious and didn't then pan out because restrictions weren't eased (or even if they were) would be usual criticism of ''fearmongers'' and all that.


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    #9181
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why didn't NPHET recommend a full shutdown at the start of December, why were they ok with retail opening and Hospitality or home visits being allowed. If NPHET had advised a full lockdown the same as march at the start of December, government would have compromised with much harsher restrictions than we ended up with. They know how it works, advise the worst and compromise due to economy concerns. Why didn't NPHET know we would have so many cases when posters on here knew or maybe just maybe everyone just ****ed up and we were all caught on the hop.

    Sorry Niall. How is that NPHET's fault? They said you can open either Gastropubs / restaurants or have households visits to keep cases at a low enough level to have a relatively normal Christmas.

    Government decided to do both i.e have cake and eat it too. No real restrictions on Christmas and certainly not enforced. It was at a high enough level going into Christmas for it to explode when we all had a nice Christmas.

    Now kids can't go to school and people getting hospital appointments cancelled. It's not their job to guess what the gov will do then go lower.


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