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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #7412
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    hmmm wrote: »
    Yes. Cases were also declining back in November.

    We don't know what is driving the rise? Of course we do. Indoor locations, poor ventilation, extended contact between people. This isn't difficult to understand, despite some people pretending that it is so they can act "confused".


    Mixing caused it. The Christmas shopping, retail put ahead of lives.


  • #7413
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Disaster. And not much from Gov either apart from kicking cans down the road.

    They know it is going to get worse, but they ditched Hoolahoop and thought they knew better. Despite all his failings with Cervical Check etc. Hoolahoop has been spot on so far, along with his NPHET colleagues.

    But the politicians don't like power to go to anyone else. So sad for all those who will get sick and possibly die.

    But Jayzis get the racing industry off the grid right now, and close the betting shops. There must be a lot of influence there.

    Way too many connections to government, way too much power, it will never be off the grid


  • #7414
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes it is difficult to understand how this has escalated so much.

    But then again if you include idiots mingling over Christmas and NY it might not be so mysterious. Sick of it now. Sorry about that.


  • #7415
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The flu virus also tends to peak around Christmas and early January. The last 2 digits below are Week number.

    WHOPHL34_small.gif

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7416
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Only in Ireland do they take a weekend off in a Pandemic . UK vaccinated 500,000 over the weekend, Ireland had a few pints at home.

    Last weekend ?
    Brits are going to use a vaccine that is meant to be given in 2 doses 3 weeks apart, forgive one dose to double the amount of citizens and then wait 10 to12 weeks to give them the 2nd dose, against the manufacturers advice .
    Chancing their arm again..
    Not a country to be following or looking up to .


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  • #7417
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thinking of the vaccination of those in Nursing Homes....

    This probably only relates to residents with dementia / alzheimers / cognisance issues, but when my mother was resident in her nursing home, they had to contact me to give my consent for the flu vaccine and I had to go up and sign the consent form for them before they could administer the vaccine to her - and I had to sign a new form every year.

    This could be a factor in slowing down vaccinating this group.

    And what's more is - did you have the legal power to sign it, as it power of attorney, or did you have it an a nominated family?


  • #7418
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    If it wasn't for Holohan where would we be.
    I know people throw the Cervical debacle at him but since his return he has been a rock. He never wilted under the pressure from Politicans and called it as he saw it. This decent into began when Varader went on Clare Byrne and undermined him. The Government chipped away and Nphet advice and point blank ignored their request to not open Hospitality and Homes . The farce continues now with Schools ...the Government will fly kites all week and most likely next Sunday will delay for another week .


  • #7419
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Way too many connections to government, way too much power, it will never be off the grid

    Often wonder who we elect? But that's for another day.


  • #7420
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thinking of the vaccination of those in Nursing Homes....

    This probably only relates to residents with dementia / alzheimers / cognisance issues, but when my mother was resident in her nursing home, they had to contact me to give my consent for the flu vaccine and I had to go up and sign the consent form for them before they could administer the vaccine to her - and I had to sign a new form every year.

    This could be a factor in slowing down vaccinating this group.

    It is. As I said earlier our consent forms have gone to families with the information and we are waiting for them to be returned but with the NY there isn't any post.


  • #7421
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    quartz1 wrote: »
    If it wasn't for Holohan where would we be.
    I know people throw the Cervical debacle at him but since his return he has been a rock. He never wilted under the pressure from Politicans and called it as he saw it. This decent into began when Varader went on Clare Byrne and undermined him. The Government chipped away and Nphet advice and point blank ignored their request to not open Hospitality and Homes . The farce continues now with Schools ...the Government will fly kites all week and most likely next Sunday will delay for another week .

    The descent came when the FF and FG politicians went to the Clifden elite dinner just 1 day after new restrictions were imposed and Minister Dara Calleary said 'Covid loves to party'. They lost hearts and minds that day. We weren't 'all in it together' from that day on.

    The same FF and FG that ignored our dysfunctional health service for decades.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • #7422
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    It is. As I said earlier our consent forms have gone to families with the information and we are waiting for them to be returned but with the NY there isn't any post.

    But what families do you send them to - are you going looking through records to see who has powers of attorney or just going to the nominated member on record?

    I know siblings with a parent in a nursing home and they are already arguing over it - there is a nominated person - but legally can they make a decision on this and it force to stand regardless of what the majority want?


  • #7423
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Last weekend ?
    Brits are going to use a vaccine that is meant to be given in 2 doses 3 weeks apart, forgive one dose to double the amount of citizens and then wait 10 to12 weeks to give them the 2nd dose, against the manufacturers advice .
    Chancing their arm again..
    Not a country to be following or looking up to .

    They are also now talking about giving people a mix-and-match of two COVID-19 vaccines which is absolutely crazy

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine/britain-will-allow-mixing-of-covid-19-vaccines-on-rare-occasions-idUSKBN2970CK


  • #7424
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Often wonder who we elect? But that's for another day.

    Hard to pick, there's always some push behind politicians.


  • #7425
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    The descent came when the FF and FG politicians went to the Clifden elite dinner just 1 day after new restrictions were imposed and Minister Dara Calleary said 'Covid loves to party'. They lost hearts and minds that day. We weren't 'all in it together' from that day on.

    The same FF and FG that ignored our dysfunctional health service for decades.

    Was the Dominic Cummings event across the Pond. Same response.


  • #7426
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    The descent came when the FF and FG politicians went to the Clifden elite dinner just 1 day after new restrictions were imposed and Minister Dara Calleary said 'Covid loves to party'. They lost hearts and minds that day. We weren't 'all in it together' from that day on.
    Don't agree. There's a large group of weak people in society who were looking for an excuse to stop doing the hard thing and go back to doing the easy thing, and they jumped on the first opportunity they saw.

    That same group now couldn't give two hoots about any new restrictions. This is where we need enforcement, but for that you need a police force to step up.


  • #7427
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    But what families do you send them to - are you going looking through records to see who has powers of attorney or just going to the nominated member on record?

    I know siblings with a parent in a nursing home and they are already arguing over it - there is a nominated person - but legally can they make a decision on this and it force to stand regardless of what the majority want?

    Their nominated NOK. Oh we have plenty of families in dispute. We have ward of courts etc. Its an absolute minefield but hey there are experts on here who can tell you more about how this whole process is so slow and why haven't all the nursing homes been vaccinated yet!


  • #7428
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't agree. There's a large group of weak people in society who were looking for an excuse to stop doing the hard thing and go back to doing the easy thing, and they jumped on the first opportunity they saw.

    That same group now couldn't give two hoots about any new restrictions. This is where we need enforcement, but for that you need a police force to step up.

    What's worse again, is that certain RTE presenters hounded them about the golfgate for days/weeks - and then the same presenters went to a party and sure it's ok to say "sorry" and carry on.


  • #7429
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And what's more is - did you have the legal power to sign it, as it power of attorney, or did you have it an a nominated family?

    I had Enduring POA - but one year they did ask my brother to sign the form when he happened to be up visiting her.

    (eta) I didn't have a problem with him signing it.


  • #7430
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    Yes. Cases were also declining back in November.

    We don't know what is driving the rise? Of course we do. Indoor locations, poor ventilation, extended contact between people. This isn't difficult to understand, despite some people pretending that it is so they can act "confused".

    Yes.
    All these people wondering why, who never wanted the pubs to close, or were worried for their mental health because the gyms or shops or restaurants were not open.
    Blaming NPHET eternally for being "concerned" about rising numbers or infectivity .
    And now so concerned about the HSE not "rolling out the vaccine" quickly enough, that they never believed was necessary ,really because " its just flu ", but everyone has to have it yesterday!
    Yet little thought for the people who are so sick they can't catch their breath in hospital, or the families that can't have a funeral now for their loved ones.
    Or for those who are left trying to make these people better or their last days less painful , and are facing into grim few months in a job that most would be happy to leave tomorrow at this stage after a horrible year .


  • #7431
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't agree. There's a large group of weak people in society who were looking for an excuse to stop doing the hard thing and go back to doing the easy thing, and they jumped on the first opportunity they saw.

    That same group now couldn't give two hoots about any new restrictions. This is where we need enforcement, but for that you need a police force to step up.

    There is **** all to do now as well though, no Christmas shopping or family meet ups to be done, no hospitality open. Things can only get better, people are spooked.


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  • #7432
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    The descent came when the FF and FG politicians went to the Clifden elite dinner just 1 day after new restrictions were imposed and Minister Dara Calleary said 'Covid loves to party'. They lost hearts and minds that day. We weren't 'all in it together' from that day on.

    The same FF and FG that ignored our dysfunctional health service for decades.

    I in no way agree with what they did but do you really think but for that event, we'd have much higher compliance and common sense? That people would say ah sure look our leaders are doing the right thing, maybe I don't need to go to woodies for decking or to collect my new handbag notwithstanding that I've been diagnosed with covid? I really doubt that.


  • #7433
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,638 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I notice the roads are definitely quieter around my locality, the local town was like a ghost town on Saturday.

    As a family we went to the beach for a walk today, and there was a lot of folk there and in the surrounding areas, lot of walkers. Probably an element of new years resolutions and wanting to get out of the house on a dry day.

    But I can see this being outlawed soon too. Simply too many people around. They want us all in the house.


  • #7434
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    They are also now talking about giving people a mix-and-match of two COVID-19 vaccines which is absolutely crazy

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine/britain-will-allow-mixing-of-covid-19-vaccines-on-rare-occasions-idUSKBN2970CK

    Jayses, it might actually work for them , and with their rates I hope it does, but its mindless stuff really!


  • #7435
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    I have not been out of the house since Thursday. Are there crowds of people around? People still having big gatherings? Or is the message hitting home?


  • #7436
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I in no way agree with what they did but do you really think but for that event, we'd have much higher compliance and common sense? That people would say ah sure look our leaders are doing the right thing, maybe I don't need to go to woodies for decking or to collect my new handbag notwithstanding that I've been diagnosed with covid? I really doubt that.

    Yes I do. The optics were horrendous given what the people had willingly endured for months.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7437
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Ah, I want somebody to stick something into me this year.




    Don't worry.




    Coppers might be open by July


  • #7438
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I have not been out of the house since Thursday. Are there crowds of people around? People still having big gatherings? Or is the message hitting home?

    You are missing some lovely weather. It's healthy to leave the house and get exercise and fresh air. You wont be crowd surfed.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7439
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I have not been out of the house since Thursday. Are there crowds of people around? People still having big gatherings? Or is the message hitting home?

    Traffic seems quiet our way but I haven't ventured out except to walk the dog.


  • #7440
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Plenty the HSA themselves have non essential office workers who could work from home coming in to work every day. Haven't seen this addressed in any media but I have friends who are in this exact position and even though they have vulnerable relatives are being made to attend the office every day needlessly.

    Someone said to me that the HSE (when they were doing contact tracing) insist on only doing it in the office with senior staff present - that contact tracers couldn't work from home. Is this true? Seems mad?


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  • #7441
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Don't worry.Coppers might be open by July

    July 2022 at this rate


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