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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #7382
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Building sites were generally closed and virus spread massively.

    Schools were closed and the virus spread massively

    Retail outlets were open and we haven't heard of any large outbreaks. Pubs were semi open and there have been no reports of large outbreaks. If there were then the outbreak in Dublin would be massive but its around what it should be in terms of percentages.

    Everyone is wearing masks and the virus is still spreading.

    Community spread has always thought to be low. Studies are suggesting Asymptomatic spread is very very low.

    Nobody has any idea of how it's spreading. Not NPHET, Not the WHO, nobody. Everything is a beer mat theory.


  • #7383
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Agreed, as long as horse racing and betting is included also.

    Not only horse racing, anything what has to do with horses.

    That industry is just something else.


  • #7384
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I think he is talking about a club championship win in Cork. Happened in several counties when clubs won for the first time in a while.

    He said a couple of weeks ago,there was no club championship a couple of weeks ago


  • #7385
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    And look where that got them.

    We're in a very bad position now and I don't think you understand that.

    I don't think you understand that if everyone followed the guidelines in level 2, 3 and over xmas, we wouldn't be in this position now.

    If people don't respect the government, the situation we are in, or the Gardai, it doesn't matter if we are in level 36, or if the army was patrolling the street, they will still act up.

    What's your solution to that?


  • #7386
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    Look, as a nobody, for what my opinion is worth, the risk of catching Covid, with its risks of serious harm and mortality, in addition to long-Covid, are incentive enough to make me gladly take any vaccine offered to me.

    The issue with consent is that the safety profile is based on phase 3 clinical trial data. That means that they have tested it on 40,000 people. The safety data is based on the incidence of adverse effects in this number of people. The phase 4 data is still pending. So, there is a potential that we have not picked up adverse effects less than 1/40,000 (however, to put that into context, that is your lifetime risk of dying from a storm in the US, so extremely extremely small). People need to be consented for this. If they are not, and they develop an extremely rare side-effect, they could sue the HSE for negligence. The HSE has to protect itself.

    Also, I am sure that there are lots of the healthcare staff willing to volunteer and to help vaccinate. However, people need to a. Be able to administer the vaccine properly (imagine the scandal if they were not!) and b. Be able to treat a serious allergic reaction if it happens (ditto the scandal).

    I am sure that the HSE and government are as eager, in fact probably more eager than the posters on boards to vaccinate us al. But things are never as straightforward as they appear


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  • #7387
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I think he is talking about a club championship win in Cork. Happened in several counties when clubs won for the first time in a while.
    Fairly localised outbreaks.

    That was months ago.


  • #7388
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Building sites were generally closed and virus spread massively.

    Schools were closed and the virus spread massively

    Retail outlets were open and we haven't heard of any large outbreaks. Pubs were semi open and there have been no reports of large outbreaks. If there were then the outbreak in Dublin would be massive but its around what it should be in terms of percentages.

    Everyone is wearing masks and the virus is still spreading.

    Community spread has always thought to be low. Studies are suggesting Asymptomatic spread is very very low.

    Nobody has any idea of how it's spreading. Not NPHET, Not the WHO, nobody. Everything is a beer mat theory.


    eh we were down to single figure cases, with the 'REAL'' lock down.


  • #7389
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    giveitholly wrote: »
    He said a couple of weeks ago,there was no club championship a couple of weeks ago

    Correct. Most club finals were completed by early October. They had a relatively negligible effect.
    He is clutching at straws. I was just trying to explain the Cork reference.
    Mayo didn't celebrate either.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7390
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Perfect, I wonder how many times this was said before and nphet still gets the blame.

    10?


  • #7391
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Building sites were generally closed and virus spread massively.

    Schools were closed and the virus spread massively

    Retail outlets were open and we haven't heard of any large outbreaks. Pubs were semi open and there have been no reports of large outbreaks. If there were then the outbreak in Dublin would be massive but its around what it should be in terms of percentages.

    Everyone is wearing masks and the virus is still spreading.

    Community spread has always thought to be low. Studies are suggesting Asymptomatic spread is very very low.

    Nobody has any idea of how it's spreading. Not NPHET, Not the WHO, nobody. Everything is a beer mat theory.

    There was a group of a dozen teenagers congregating and not wearing masks outside where I live today. They will all go back to their families. And the spread will continue. Non-compliance is driving the spread


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  • #7392
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,580 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Only in Ireland do they take a weekend off in a Pandemic . UK vaccinated 500,000 over the weekend, Ireland had a few pints at home.


  • #7393
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    10?

    That's underestimated figure.


  • #7394
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Can you get a sick cert ?

    I'll try. Guess anxiety is a real problem? Had a panic attack before Christmas with what I saw in work. Never had a panic attack in my life!


  • #7395
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    eh we were down to single figure cases, with the 'REAL'' lock down.
    Yes. Cases were also declining back in November.

    We don't know what is driving the rise? Of course we do. Indoor locations, poor ventilation, extended contact between people. This isn't difficult to understand, despite some people pretending that it is so they can act "confused".


  • #7396
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭Shelga


    How has it exploded so much in the last two weeks? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot, but seriously, how?

    When restaurants and retail cautiously reopened at the end of June, we saw a gradual creep upwards in the numbers if I remember correctly. Most people I know were exercising caution around Christmas- if they were spending it with family, they were extremely careful in the fortnight beforehand.

    Is it visits to homes? Too many people in places like Penneys, buying pyjamas etc for Christmas? I thought we'd see an increase in the numbers, sure, but I thought we'd be on 800-1000 a day, and that it would take more time to show up.

    It's getting to be genuinely terrifying. I'm going to stop going for walks with a neighbour, which was my only socialising up to this point. My mother's best friend has it, and her husband is in the ICU on a ventilator. I'm not going anywhere until at least the end of January, other than the supermarket and solitary walks to stop myself going insane.


  • #7397
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Daphne Mushy Searcher wrote: »
    Look, as a nobody, for what my opinion is worth, the risk of catching Covid, with its risks of serious harm and mortality, in addition to long-Covid, are incentive enough to make me gladly take any vaccine offered to me.

    The issue with consent is that the safety profile is based on phase 3 clinical trial data. That means that they have tested it on 40,000 people. The safety data is based on the incidence of adverse effects in this number of people. The phase 4 data is still pending. So, there is a potential that we have not picked up adverse effects less than 1/40,000 (however, to put that into context, that is your lifetime risk of dying from a storm in the US, so extremely extremely small). People need to be consented for this. If they are not, and they develop an extremely rare side-effect, they could sue the HSE for negligence. The HSE has to protect itself.

    Also, I am sure that there are lots of the healthcare staff willing to volunteer and to help vaccinate. However, people need to a. Be able to administer the vaccine properly (imagine the scandal if they were not!) and b. Be able to treat a serious allergic reaction if it happens (ditto the scandal).

    I am sure that the HSE and government are as eager, in fact probably more eager than the posters on boards to vaccinate us al. But things are never as straightforward as they appear

    Exactly, and with Ireland being a country that leads medical negligence cases world wide, you can understand why any consent forms might take time to put together.


  • #7398
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    xtal191 wrote: »
    They're denying it on Facebook if it does turn out to be true I hope they lose their bar license

    The local Super Valu put up a statement on Facebook but it’s worded interestingly, just says they have a staff covid policy and will be open tomorrow, doesn’t deny it like the comments on the Judes page.


  • #7399
    9db3xj7z41fs5u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭9db3xj7z41fs5u


    Shelga wrote: »
    How has it exploded so much in the last two weeks? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot, but seriously, how?

    When restaurants and retail cautiously reopened at the end of June, we saw a gradual creep upwards in the numbers if I remember correctly. Most people I know were exercising caution around Christmas- if they were spending it with family, they were extremely careful in the fortnight beforehand.

    Is it visits to homes? Too many people in places like Penneys, buying pyjamas etc for Christmas? I thought we'd see an increase in the numbers, sure, but I thought we'd be on 800-1000 a day, and that it would take more time to show up.

    It's getting to be genuinely terrifying. I'm going to stop going for walks with a neighbour, which was my only socialising up to this point. My mother's best friend has it, and her husband is in the ICU on a ventilator. I'm not going anywhere until at least the end of January, other than the supermarket and solitary walks to stop myself going insane.

    People were complacent over Christmas. I heard of people mixing and going for Christmas drinks. In some cases 6 households were mixing. People let their guard down because they thought that it wouldn’t affect them and they were weary after a long year


  • #7400
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    niallo27 wrote: »
    All the headerballs out tonight, I remember the good old days when it was only us usual nutjobs in here.
    Threadbanned

    EDIT

    Lifted following discussion with user


  • #7401
    Munsterman12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Munsterman12


    Shelga wrote: »
    How has it exploded so much in the last two weeks? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot, but seriously, how?

    When restaurants and retail cautiously reopened at the end of June, we saw a gradual creep upwards in the numbers if I remember correctly. Most people I know were exercising caution around Christmas- if they were spending it with family, they were extremely careful in the fortnight beforehand.

    Is it visits to homes? Too many people in places like Penneys, buying pyjamas etc for Christmas? I thought we'd see an increase in the numbers, sure, but I thought we'd be on 800-1000 a day, and that it would take more time to show up.

    It's getting to be genuinely terrifying. I'm going to stop going for walks with a neighbour, which was my only socialising up to this point. My mother's best friend has it, and her husband is in the ICU on a ventilator. I'm not going anywhere until at least the end of January, other than the supermarket and solitary walks to stop myself going insane.

    Mass gatherings in shops, thousands returning home from abroad, Christmas family gatherings..


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  • #7402
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Warbeastrior wrote: »
    Do people feel confident in the vaccine?

    Yeah, but I can see why anti vaccine sentiment can be rampant in societies/countries where they haven't witnessed mass pandemics in a while.


  • #7403
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Disaster. And not much from Gov either apart from kicking cans down the road.

    They know it is going to get worse, but they ditched Hoolahoop and thought they knew better. Despite all his failings with Cervical Check etc. Hoolahoop has been spot on so far, along with his NPHET colleagues.

    But the politicians don't like power to go to anyone else. So sad for all those who will get sick and possibly die.

    But Jayzis get the racing industry off the grid right now, and close the betting shops. There must be a lot of influence there.


  • #7404
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Disaster. And not much from Gov either apart from kicking cans down the road.

    They know it is going to get worse, but they ditched Hoolahoop and thought they knew better. Despite all his failings with Cervical Check etc. Hoolahoop has been spot on so far, along with his NPHET colleagues.

    But the politicians don't like power to go to anyone else. So sad for all those who will get sick and possibly die.

    But Jayzis get the racing industry off the grid right now, and close the betting shops. There must be a lot of influence there.

    Tony got it wrong about the nursing homes March /April. Worked out well.


  • #7405
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Munsterman12 wrote: »
    Mass gatherings in shops, thousands returning home from abroad, Christmas family gatherings..

    But the schools the schools


  • #7406
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Disaster. And not much from Gov either apart from kicking cans down the road.

    They know it is going to get worse, but they ditched Hoolahoop and thought they knew better. Despite all his failings with Cervical Check etc. Hoolahoop has been spot on so far, along with his NPHET colleagues.

    But the politicians don't like power to go to anyone else. So sad for all those who will get sick and possibly die.

    But Jayzis get the racing industry off the grid right now, and close the betting shops. There must be a lot of influence there.

    Nobody knows more than Tony how badly run the health service is.


  • #7407
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'll try. Guess anxiety is a real problem? Had a panic attack before Christmas with what I saw in work. Never had a panic attack in my life!

    You can say that to your doctor and maybe you will feel a little less stressed next week .
    Take some time to plan how you will "do your day " safely and make sure you have all you need to be safe at work.
    You need to keep your job .


  • #7408
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tony got it wrong about the nursing homes March /April. Worked out well.

    He got it very wrong. They were always the weak point and were essentially neglected. Obviously blame goes to some of the nursing home owners/management too. Most of the deaths came from the nursing homes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #7409
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Shelga wrote: »
    How has it exploded so much in the last two weeks? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot, but seriously, how?

    When restaurants and retail cautiously reopened at the end of June, we saw a gradual creep upwards in the numbers if I remember correctly. Most people I know were exercising caution around Christmas- if they were spending it with family, they were extremely careful in the fortnight beforehand.
    I know lots of people in my social circle who felt they had to go to pubs/restaurants over Christmas, and they wouldn't have gone in June. The government, rightly or not, sent out a message that they wanted Christmas to be relatively normal and people responded.

    We know where this spreads fast if you're unlucky to be inside with a superspreader. I think we'll find (in retrospect) that we reopened all those indoor hospitality areas, which infected lots of people, and they then carried silent or low-level infections into Christmas dinners where large numbers of families got together. This all happens in a month with everyone indoors, windows closed, low humidity. That doesn't even touch on the places where irresponsible business owners followed few of the rules.

    The US & Canada had exactly the same thing with Thanksgiving - a big spike immediately afterwards. The worst thing is this was completely predictable.


  • #7410
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Thinking of the vaccination of those in Nursing Homes....

    This probably only relates to residents with dementia / alzheimers / cognisance issues, but when my mother was resident in her nursing home, they had to contact me to give my consent for the flu vaccine and I had to go up and sign the consent form for them before they could administer the vaccine to her - and I had to sign a new form every year.

    This could be a factor in slowing down vaccinating this group.


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  • #7411
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Shelga wrote: »
    How has it exploded so much in the last two weeks? Forgive me if I sound like an idiot, but seriously, how?

    When restaurants and retail cautiously reopened at the end of June, we saw a gradual creep upwards in the numbers if I remember correctly. Most people I know were exercising caution around Christmas- if they were spending it with family, they were extremely careful in the fortnight beforehand.

    Is it visits to homes? Too many people in places like Penneys, buying pyjamas etc for Christmas? I thought we'd see an increase in the numbers, sure, but I thought we'd be on 800-1000 a day, and that it would take more time to show up.

    It's getting to be genuinely terrifying. I'm going to stop going for walks with a neighbour, which was my only socialising up to this point. My mother's best friend has it, and her husband is in the ICU on a ventilator. I'm not going anywhere until at least the end of January, other than the supermarket and solitary walks to stop myself going insane.

    I went into Grafton street on 23rd December. Actually got freaked out at the amount of people, milling about on top of each other
    not all wearing masks. All the shops packed. Went for a coffee - two girls in front of me - no masks. One tried to make do with a scarf. Seen to and seated without a squeak. Lots of people that had masks on had them on incorrectly - lots under the chin, noses hanging out. chomping on food, drinking a coffee. Groups of people with out masks socialising, no social distancing. I got out of there pretty pronto. Was amazed how casual people were.

    Fast forward to Christmas day - houses around me had two or three cars outside. Visitors in and out. No masks. Relations of mine had people around for christmas day - multi generational - worked out one had seven different social circles in contact over christmas day. All of this is anecdotal and my own observations, but to be honest no surprise how we are where we are. Lots of people simply didn't give a ****e over December once restrictions were lifted.


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