General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

Fitz* · 03-01-2021 07:24PM

Mad that West Ham are joint 4th while being in 10th position!

rob316 · 03-01-2021 07:31PM

I said it already, Lampard committed the cardinal sin of throwing his players under the bus. You can go on bad runs and losses of form but once you lose the dressing room your done.

gimli2112 · 03-01-2021 07:37PM

rob316 wrote: »

I said it already, Lampard committed the cardinal sin of throwing his players under the bus. You can go on bad runs and losses of form but once you lose the dressing room your done.

he learned from the master. it's disgusting and Mourinho is currently destroying Deli Ali. look at Ferguson as a contrast. He might throw a shoe at someone behind closed doors but you don't **** in public, unless it's a public toilet but I digress.
You should always defend your team.

03-01-2021 07:50PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Was Micah Richards on MOTD this week as well?

He's got the Alex Scott free pass to appear on everything as she did a few years ago

POKERKING · 03-01-2021 07:51PM

Fitz* wrote: »

Mad that West Ham are joint 4th while being in 10th position!

Joint 7th having played at least one maybe two more games than the others u mean? They are joint 4th at all.

03-01-2021 07:53PM

Fitz* wrote: »

The Athletic are reporting that Lampard's job is under serious threat.

Found it hilarious , a few minutes after the final whistle, my phone got an update from the app highlighting that article

Shanotheslayer · 03-01-2021 07:55PM

POKERKING wrote: »

Joint 7th having played at least one maybe two more games than the others u mean? They are joint 4th at all.

Wooshh mate

RasTa · 03-01-2021 07:57PM

Stevie Gifted Stream wrote: »

He's got the Alex Scott free pass to appear on everything as she did a few years ago

She's a decent pundit though

y0ssar1an22 · 03-01-2021 08:06PM

Fitz* wrote: »

I think how Klopp approaches the game will depend on how many fit CBs he has.

If Matip is fit, it allows Liverpool to play higher as a defensive line and the midfielders can play higher with more freedom and also TAA can push up higher and wider also, which will give him a lot more opportunities to create goalscoring chances as he will be protected behind him by Matip's ability.

If someone like Nat Philips is starting, it forces the defensive line to be a lot deeper so that his lack of pace is not exposed as much. It forces the midfield deeper so that he is protected more and Man Utd can't run at him 1v1 very often and it also forced TAA back deeper with not as much freedom to stay higher and leave gaps behind him.

ole will want liverpool to play that high line though. right now, i think it'll be a very cagey affair with both teams not wanting to lose.

a lot will depend on the matchups on the wings. will rashford and martial (?) cover back cos you know it'll be mane/robertson and salah/TAA marauding down those flanks. and if they dont cover back, and utd win quick possession liverpool could get caught on the counter.

i hope its a great game, but for what seems like the 1st time in a few years, there is more than just pride riding on it.

shamobuc said it...the draw is a decent price.

03-01-2021 08:08PM

RasTa wrote: »

She's a decent pundit though

better than Redknapp/Richards but find her to be like Jermaine Jenas, talks well/media speak but doesnt say much insightful....thankfully they pulled her back from appearing on every bbc/sky match (which she was for a period of time)

jayo26 · 03-01-2021 08:10PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

the odds are out. liverpool 2.05, draw 3.4 and utd 3.75.

i dunno, its a closer tie than those odds suggest. it'll depend on how klopp approaches the game cos you know how ole will set up utd.

If anything its more certain how Klopp will approach the game, loads of pressing with Salah and Mane running in behind defence to get on the end of long diagonal balls, big Same seen this and nullified it

Ole could end up with with 4 at back or 5 at back and could sit back and try counter or play into pools hands by playing a high line and trying to attack from start. Knowing ole we will attack from start.

Id say best way is sit back and dont give them any space for the long pass and then when they get frustrated and wound up on sidelines then start the counter attack.

rob316 · 03-01-2021 08:35PM

jayo26 wrote: »

If anything its more certain how Klopp will approach the game, loads of pressing with Salah and Mane running in behind defence to get on the end of long diagonal balls, big Same seen this and nullified it

Ole could end up with with 4 at back or 5 at back and could sit back and try counter or play into pools hands by playing a high line and trying to attack from start. Knowing ole we will attack from start.

Id say best way is sit back and dont give them any space for the long pass and then when they get frustrated and wound up on sidelines then start the counter attack.

The odds are taken into account it's over 3.5 years since Liverpool were beaten at home.

yourdeadwright · 03-01-2021 08:47PM

jayo26 wrote: »

If anything its more certain how Klopp will approach the game, loads of pressing with Salah and Mane running in behind defence to get on the end of long diagonal balls, big Same seen this and nullified it

Ole could end up with with 4 at back or 5 at back and could sit back and try counter or play into pools hands by playing a high line and trying to attack from start. Knowing ole we will attack from start.

Id say best way is sit back and dont give them any space for the long pass and then when they get frustrated and wound up on sidelines then start the counter attack.

Two massive differences in the game coming up first one is Thiago will give Liverpool another dimension going forward with the speed he recycles the ball

Second one the lack of CB for Liverpool will give United chances and they will score at least once

Very interesting game

giveitholly · 03-01-2021 08:52PM

Paris Gifted Twig wrote: »

Liverpool will have a new cb signed by the time that game comes around

Who is that?

Fitz* · 03-01-2021 09:06PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

ole will want liverpool to play that high line though. right now, i think it'll be a very cagey affair with both teams not wanting to lose.

a lot will depend on the matchups on the wings. will rashford and martial (?) cover back cos you know it'll be mane/robertson and salah/TAA marauding down those flanks. and if they dont cover back, and utd win quick possession liverpool could get caught on the counter.

i hope its a great game, but for what seems like the 1st time in a few years, there is more than just pride riding on it.

shamobuc said it...the draw is a decent price.

While I do appreciate what you say about Ole wanting a high line to play, Liverpool's play over the last couple of seasons had been built on playing a high line and squeezing opponents up the pitch and pinning them back. Now of course, both the individual brilliance of VVD and either Gomez/Matip alongside him with their recovery pace allowed this to happen. They could get out of sticky situations on the break.

Many Liverpool fans, and myself included, were worried about Liverpool pushing too high against both Wolves & Leicester at Anfield, with the fear of Neto, Traore, Madison & Vardy etc all running into large areas of space vacated by Liverpool as they played very high. Both games, the Liverpool midfield pressed excellently and countered the counter attacks before they happened. Those Wolves & Leicester players barely had a kick iirc.
Two of the best Liverpool performances of the season, if not the best, especially considering who was missing for both games.

Matip played 90 mins in both of those games. He is a very good game reader and can nip into midfield to anticipate the counter attack and nip it in the bud. He also allows Liverpool to play a bit higher and offers that little bit of extra quickness in the pass to allow the midfielders play quicker and higher themselves.

If Liverpool want to win the game against Man Utd in January, they'll have to match those performances at a minimum. If they do match them, I'd give them a high chance of winning.

gimli2112 · 03-01-2021 09:10PM

Man Utd v Liverpool, nice too see the important games mean something again

jayo26 · 03-01-2021 09:13PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Man Utd v Liverpool, nice too see the important games mean something again

Actually a proper reason to chat sh1t for once.

rob316 · 03-01-2021 09:13PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Man Utd v Liverpool, nice too see the important games mean something again

Excluding the Europa League tie years back, it's about 2009 since there has been a top of the table league match between then.

gimli2112 · 03-01-2021 09:24PM

rob316 wrote: »

Excluding the Europa League tie years back, it's about 2009 since there has been a top of the table league match between then.

something special about the game at Anfield last year, the Salah goal, the explosion of delight. We had it won before that but some like me couldn't believe it.
shortly afterwards the world was plunged into plague and it made sense again but for that afternoon life was good.

y0ssar1an22 · 03-01-2021 09:45PM

Fitz* wrote: »

While I do appreciate what you say about Ole wanting a high line to play, Liverpool's play over the last couple of seasons had been built on playing a high line and squeezing opponents up the pitch and pinning them back. Now of course, both the individual brilliance of VVD and either Gomez/Matip alongside him with their recovery pace allowed this to happen. They could get out of sticky situations on the break.

Many Liverpool fans, and myself included, were worried about Liverpool pushing too high against both Wolves & Leicester at Anfield, with the fear of Neto, Traore, Madison & Vardy etc all running into large areas of space vacated by Liverpool as they played very high. Both games, the Liverpool midfield pressed excellently and countered the counter attacks before they happened. Those Wolves & Leicester players barely had a kick iirc.
Two of the best Liverpool performances of the season, if not the best, especially considering who was missing for both games.

Matip played 90 mins in both of those games. He is a very good game reader and can nip into midfield to anticipate the counter attack and nip it in the bud. He also allows Liverpool to play a bit higher and offers that little bit of extra quickness in the pass to allow the midfielders play quicker and higher themselves.

If Liverpool want to win the game against Man Utd in January, they'll have to match those performances at a minimum. If they do match them, I'd give them a high chance of winning.

like no doubt, liverpool are favorites. its great though that we're having this conversation 2 weeks before the game. years gone by, utd's motivation was to stop liverpool; this year, its to overtake them.

i'm not entirely sure what having no fans mean. objectively it should have no impact. 11 vs 11, play the game kind of thing. but it does and that should benefit utd.

i'm (from a utd perspective) worried about the same thing. dead set on playing the counter, so give up territory and possession on the chance that liverpool may **** up so as to capitalize. its kind of defetest from the get go. before you know it liverpool could be 2-0 up.

i think its an intriguing game. for me, utd's setup will really show if ole believes in the team or not. as in, this is the best opportunity since SAF left, so go balls to the wall for the win.

lets hope ole watches villa, rather than wolves and leicester :pac:

doc_17 · 03-01-2021 09:53PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

like no doubt, liverpool are favorites. its great though that we're having this conversation 2 weeks before the game. years gone by, utd's motivation was to stop liverpool; this year, its to overtake them.

i'm not entirely sure what having no fans mean. objectively it should have no impact. 11 vs 11, play the game kind of thing. but it does and that should benefit utd.

i'm (from a utd perspective) worried about the same thing. dead set on playing the counter, so give up territory and possession on the chance that liverpool may **** up so as to capitalize. its kind of defetest from the get go. before you know it liverpool could be 2-0 up.

i think its an intriguing game. for me, utd's setup will really show if ole believes in the team or not. as in, this is the best opportunity since SAF left, so go balls to the wall for the win.

lets hope ole watches villa, rather than wolves and leicester :pac:

If you’re still wondering about Utd’s setup then you must not watch them a lot. Counter attack is what they’ll do all day long. Like what they did against Villa, Wolves and every other team they’ve played this year.

chicorytip · 03-01-2021 10:33PM

The defenders Liverpool have available are still better than Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Bailly and Shaw who, as a unit, have no cohesion. Villa should have scored four the other night. Utd have no hope of winning the league.

y0ssar1an22 · 03-01-2021 11:08PM

doc_17 wrote: »

If you’re still wondering about Utd’s setup then you must not watch them a lot. Counter attack is what they’ll do all day long. Like what they did against Villa, Wolves and every other team they’ve played this year.

thats why i was asking..we all know how utd will play, but will klopp play his same game?

y0ssar1an22 · 03-01-2021 11:11PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

ole will want liverpool to play that high line though. right now, i think it'll be a very cagey affair with both teams not wanting to lose.

a lot will depend on the matchups on the wings. will rashford and martial (?) cover back cos you know it'll be mane/robertson and salah/TAA marauding down those flanks. and if they dont cover back, and utd win quick possession liverpool could get caught on the counter.

i hope its a great game, but for what seems like the 1st time in a few years, there is more than just pride riding on it.

shamobuc said it...the draw is a decent price.

Fitz* wrote: »

While I do appreciate what you say about Ole wanting a high line to play, Liverpool's play over the last couple of seasons had been built on playing a high line and squeezing opponents up the pitch and pinning them back. Now of course, both the individual brilliance of VVD and either Gomez/Matip alongside him with their recovery pace allowed this to happen. They could get out of sticky situations on the break.

Many Liverpool fans, and myself included, were worried about Liverpool pushing too high against both Wolves & Leicester at Anfield, with the fear of Neto, Traore, Madison & Vardy etc all running into large areas of space vacated by Liverpool as they played very high. Both games, the Liverpool midfield pressed excellently and countered the counter attacks before they happened. Those Wolves & Leicester players barely had a kick iirc.
Two of the best Liverpool performances of the season, if not the best, especially considering who was missing for both games.

Matip played 90 mins in both of those games. He is a very good game reader and can nip into midfield to anticipate the counter attack and nip it in the bud. He also allows Liverpool to play a bit higher and offers that little bit of extra quickness in the pass to allow the midfielders play quicker and higher themselves.

If Liverpool want to win the game against Man Utd in January, they'll have to match those performances at a minimum. If they do match them, I'd give them a high chance of winning.

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

like no doubt, liverpool are favorites. its great though that we're having this conversation 2 weeks before the game. years gone by, utd's motivation was to stop liverpool; this year, its to overtake them.

i'm not entirely sure what having no fans mean. objectively it should have no impact. 11 vs 11, play the game kind of thing. but it does and that should benefit utd.

i'm (from a utd perspective) worried about the same thing. dead set on playing the counter, so give up territory and possession on the chance that liverpool may **** up so as to capitalize. its kind of defetest from the get go. before you know it liverpool could be 2-0 up.

i think its an intriguing game. for me, utd's setup will really show if ole believes in the team or not. as in, this is the best opportunity since SAF left, so go balls to the wall for the win.

lets hope ole watches villa, rather than wolves and leicester :pac:

doc_17 wrote: »

If you’re still wondering about Utd’s setup then you must not watch them a lot. Counter attack is what they’ll do all day long. Like what they did against Villa, Wolves and every other team they’ve played this year.

there's the conversation.

you seem to have a better inkling, so do share

doc_17 · 03-01-2021 11:15PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

thats why i was asking..we all know how utd will play, but will klopp play his same game?

See recent Liverpool v Spurs game. Courage might not always win, but fear usually ends up having to explain itself.

y0ssar1an22 · 03-01-2021 11:23PM

doc_17 wrote: »

See recent Liverpool v Spurs game. Courage might not always win, but fear usually ends up having to explain itself.

that sounds like a quote from braveheart or something, maybe gladiator.

doc_17 · 03-01-2021 11:36PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

that sounds like a quote from braveheart or something, maybe gladiator.

No, it’s my reading ok Klopp v Mourinho. OGS knows no better as Ferguson was always a counter attacking manager

Whatsisname · 04-01-2021 12:34AM

doc_17 wrote: »

If you’re still wondering about Utd’s setup then you must not watch them a lot. Counter attack is what they’ll do all day long. Like what they did against Villa, Wolves and every other team they’ve played this year.

You must not watch United a lot as this is not true.

y0ssar1an22 · 04-01-2021 01:06AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

You must not watch United a lot as this is not true.

it is pretty much true. aside from the counter, what plan have utd got?

some want to give ole a pass due to the last few games, but after IB away, he should have been sacked. any credit in the bank should have been gone right there.

he's survived, so the credit seems to start anew. i'm gonna judge him on how he approaches the liverpool game.

but ultimately, unless a europa league win this season (or a league, goes without saying) he needs to be sacked.

thelad95 · 04-01-2021 01:11AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

it is pretty much true. aside from the counter, what plan have utd got?

some want to give ole a pass due to the last few games, but after IB away, he should have been sacked. any credit in the bank should have been gone right there.

he's survived, so the credit seems to start anew. i'm gonna judge him on how he approaches the liverpool game.

but ultimately, unless a europa league win this season (or a league, goes without saying) he needs to be sacked.

Liverpool are the reigning league champions and are unbeaten at home in over a half century of games, what way do you think he's going to approach it??

It'll be a cagey game and I wouldn't be surprised if it ended 0-0.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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