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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2102
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭ax530


    I think at this stage those who will follow rules are doing so, others will continue as they are no matter what the restrictions.
    School my children attend are doing really well implementing procedures to minimise impact of any cases, children are sticking to pods, teachers not mixing ect.
    People are now getting frustrated obaying rules but futher punishment due to those who will not. Since September I have kept my 'close contacts' to a minimum (no visiting ect) so my children could continue as normal a life as possible they have loved school and some activities. I hope schools are left open and allow each implement their own policies of closing off pods, classes ect if required. Perhaps testing all teachers before they return to school could be a good start.


  • #2103
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    AdamD wrote: »
    I'm guessing the housing crisis doesn't effect you so?

    Lets just deal with the crisis that bothers you, but no no, its everyone else who is selfish.

    It is a pandemic. It affects everyone and is far more important than immediately (haha it’s January and will be pissing rain) starting a new construction job

    A few weeks won’t make a lot of difference. And it’ll help suppress the VIRUS WHICH WILL CRIPPLE OUR HOSPITALS


  • #2104
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Anyone else away from home right now with plans to return home at the weekend? Just wondering should I pack up now. Only visiting one other person in a holiday home and that person is in my my bubble. We're not seeing anyone, but don't want to stay away for a prolonged lockdown!


  • #2105
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It is a pandemic. It affects everyone and is far more important than immediately (haha it’s January and will be pissing rain) starting a new construction job

    A few weeks won’t make a lot of difference. And it’ll help suppress the VIRUS WHICH WILL CRIPPLE OUR HOSPITALS

    If we go to level 5, whether construction is open or not our hospitals won't be crippled. Its not possible to have a reasonable discussion if you immediately jump to hysterics.


  • #2106
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Mimon wrote: »
    Yeh, it's not easily solved. I can imagine we will not be peaking in terms of numbers for another week at least.

    Think we need restrictions but better thought out ones and a very clear message from the government.

    For example I can't see why retail is going to be shut down. If a premises allows a limited number of people in and is strict on masks etc the risks will be minimal. The 5km thing is a joke also.


    What are those better thought out ones, though? The idea behind the restrictions is to minimise people mixing with others. Whether you agree with the 5km limit or closing non-essential retail, the point of them is to stop people mixing. With retail closing, it prevents people meeting in a confined space (and has the added 'benefit' of keeping other areas - schools and construction sites - that spread the disease open; these areas deemed to be more important).


    If you keep non-essential retail open, and allow people to travel wherever they want, how do you prevent people from mixing?


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  • #2107
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,030 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    vienne86 wrote: »
    Anyone else away from home right now with plans to return home at the weekend? Just wondering should I pack up now. Only visiting one other person in a holiday home and that person is in my my bubble. We're not seeing anyone, but don't want to stay away for a prolonged lockdown!

    You'll always be allowed to travel home.


  • #2108
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    AdamD wrote: »
    If we go to level 5, whether construction is open or not our hospitals won't be crippled. Its not possible to have a reasonable discussion if you immediately jump to hysterics.

    Talking about a reasonable discussion and you say closing construction for a few weeks will seriously worsen the housing problem?

    Pot kettle.

    A few weeks of close everything will damage the economy but protects those most vulnerable and out hospitals. That’s more important.


  • #2109
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Big question is will golf courses remain open

    Precisely! They should but probably won’t despite parks and playgrounds being allowed to stay open.

    Of course, there are far more serious decisions to be made but it really doesn’t make sense to close them.


  • #2110
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The government will loose a lot of respect if they don't (as one poster has already perfectly put) use the big stick. The same knuckle draggers who went to family households for xmas, xmas parties, office parties etc.. won't care about half baked, half arsed restrictions and will continue to do as they please. We need enforcement and huge fines where necessary everything should be considered.
    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Because that's how this poster works. You are a knuckle dragger if you followed guidelines and visited family over xmas.
    Peoples minds have truly been warped.

    Mod:

    Both of you cop on and leave the petty insults out of it. ElJeffe enough of that sort of rhetoric in particular or your posting access in this thread will be removed

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #2111
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    ax530 wrote: »
    I think at this stage those who will follow rules are doing so, others will continue as they are no matter what the restrictions.
    School my children attend are doing really well implementing procedures to minimise impact of any cases, children are sticking to pods, teachers not mixing ect.
    People are now getting frustrated obaying rules but futher punishment due to those who will not. Since September I have kept my 'close contacts' to a minimum (no visiting ect) so my children could continue as normal a life as possible they have loved school and some activities. I hope schools are left open and allow each implement their own policies of closing off pods, classes ect if required. Perhaps testing all teachers before they return to school could be a good start.

    The closest they bother getting to test teacher is filling out a return to work form by Monday. They honestly do not give a damn about schools apart from ensuring there is a workforce not minding children facing them.

    They even decreased the ppe/cleaning budget by 40% heading into term two with a new more virulent form of the virus that is more infectious to primary aged children.

    Our own Minister for education wants schools open to help with child minding necessities and never mentioned education.


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  • #2112
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The unions won’t have secondary schools closed and primary teachers in the classroom
    They're separate unions and since there is good reason to keep secondary students out and primary in, they don't really have a leg to stand on.

    My experience of the last year is that when there's talk of a lockdown, usually the "word on the street" and gut feeling are really good at predicting what the government will do.

    It'll definitely be level 5 like last time. But there's a strong chance they may delay the reopening of primary schools until the 20th, and make secondary schools move online for the month of January (at least). Primary can catch up on the two weeks later in the year, secondary can't.


  • #2113
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    If you keep non-essential retail open, and allow people to travel wherever they want, how do you prevent people from mixing?
    I suppose the difference for retail is that people are masked which greatly reduces transmission, even when social distancing is not fully in play.


  • #2114
    Jaded Walker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Jaded Walker


    I didn't agree with them at the time but those saying we came out of level 5 too early were right. It's ruining Christmas now.:(


  • #2115
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,030 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    khalessi wrote: »
    The closest they bother getting to test teacher is filling out a return to work form by Monday. They honestly do not give a damn about schools apart from ensuring there is a workforce not minding children facing them.

    They even decreased the ppe/cleaning budget by 40% heading into term two with a new more virulent form of the virus that is more infectious to primary aged children.

    Our own Minister for education wants schools open to help with child minding necessities and never mentioned education.

    Of course the fact that schools provide a safe place for children to be during the day, allowing the workforce to work is a huge part of why they are open.

    I am not sure why you find this surprising or noteworthy. It is surely common sense?


  • #2116
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Jaded Walker wrote: »
    I didn't agree with them at the time but those saying we came out of level 5 too early were right. It's ruining Christmas now.:(

    Christmas was a few days ago.


  • #2117
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    Christmas was a few days ago.

    12 days in Christmas.


  • #2118
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    awec wrote: »
    Of course the fact that schools provide a safe place for children to be during the day, allowing the workforce to work is a huge part of why they are open.

    I am not sure why you find this surprising or noteworthy. It is surely common sense?

    As you can see I was replying to the other posters suggestion at getting teachers tested before return to school.

    I find it interesting you are not bothered by a 40% cut to the ppe/cleaning budget in a pandemic.


  • #2119
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    What are those better thought out ones, though? The idea behind the restrictions is to minimise people mixing with others. Whether you agree with the 5km limit or closing non-essential retail, the point of them is to stop people mixing. With retail closing, it prevents people meeting in a confined space (and has the added 'benefit' of keeping other areas - schools and construction sites - that spread the disease open; these areas deemed to be more important).


    If you keep non-essential retail open, and allow people to travel wherever they want, how do you prevent people from mixing?

    Where's the evidence non essential retail cause a problem? Just make sure people observe social distancing/mask wearing when inside and the risk will be very low.

    The 5km thing causes people to exercise in smaller spaces in urban areas. It was the only restriction that I didn't obey as where I walk in nature is 8km away. I can walk there for kms and maybe see one or two people. Better than walking around my town surrounded by dozens of people doing the same.


  • #2120
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    growleaves wrote: »
    The numbers went down at the start of summer (May) and went up again at the start of winter (October).

    Sorry but did no one ever read that Tintin book where he convinces a primitive tribe he's a god by taking credit for an eclipse? Or do you know what a cargo cult is?

    This is why scientific proofs usually depend on repeated empirical testing.

    How does your theory play out in the southern hemisphere?


  • #2121
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Jaded Walker wrote: »
    I didn't agree with them at the time but those saying we came out of level 5 too early were right. It's ruining Christmas now.:(

    So you would have turned a six week lockdown into an eight week lockdown?

    The only result of that would have been two more weeks of pent up demand when we did open up

    Lockdowms are meant to be time defined

    Not sure we'll just add two more weeks, then another two and sure another two just to make sure


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  • #2122
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Once again, level 4 doesn't seem to exist.


  • #2123
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    Lockdown 2 didn’t end too early. People were crying out to see family and have a bit of normality over Christmas. For the vast majority it was just the boost they needed to face into what’s likely to be a very bleak January.


  • #2124
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    Lockdown 2 didn’t end too early. People were crying out to see family and have a bit of normality over Christmas. For the vast majority it was just the boost they needed to face into what’s likely to be a very bleak January.

    Absolutely. They opened things up to prevent us from going completely mad.


    And I bet those saying things should have stayed closed, used the pubs, restaurants and gyms while they were open.


  • #2125
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Once again, level 4 doesn't seem to exist.

    The level system is pointless and should be scrapped.

    Pretty sure it has never been stuck to at any point and it always ends up being "level x with the following exceptions: ......" to get the loudest lobby group to shut up for a bit.


  • #2126
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Up to 454 in hospital this morning. Are there any discharges happening? Seems to be relentless growth in hospital admissions compared to October, especially considering these aren’t admissions of people infected at Christmas. Those are yet to come.


  • #2127
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    vienne86 wrote: »
    Anyone else away from home right now with plans to return home at the weekend? Just wondering should I pack up now. Only visiting one other person in a holiday home and that person is in my my bubble. We're not seeing anyone, but don't want to stay away for a prolonged lockdown!

    I don't mean to be rude and you are obviously conscientious, but we are now 9 months into this.
    You should really be able to assess the risk levels of your activities and make decisions on your own.


  • #2128
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    vienne86 wrote: »
    Anyone else away from home right now with plans to return home at the weekend? Just wondering should I pack up now. Only visiting one other person in a holiday home and that person is in my my bubble. We're not seeing anyone, but don't want to stay away for a prolonged lockdown!

    The advice is you can stay where you are, but once you leave you have to go home.

    For example, let’s say you live in Galway and are staying in Limerick. You can leave Limerick anytime to go to Galway, but you can’t go from Limerick to (say) Dublin to visit someone else.


  • #2129
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    marno21 wrote: »
    Up to 454 in hospital this morning. Are there any discharges happening? Seems to be relentless growth in hospital admissions compared to October, especially considering these aren’t admissions of people infected at Christmas. Those are yet to come.

    59 admissions
    24 discharges


    But yes the lockdown isn’t necessary...


  • #2130
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Benimar wrote: »
    The advice is you can stay where you are, but once you leave you have to go home.

    For example, let’s say you live in Galway and are staying in Limerick. You can leave Limerick anytime to go to Galway, but you can’t go from Limerick to (say) Dublin to visit someone else.

    By reading the level 5 doc online

    You have to return to work home by the 1st and then it’s no inter county


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  • #2131
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    seamus wrote: »

    It'll definitely be level 5 like last time. But there's a strong chance they may delay the reopening of primary schools until the 20th, and make secondary schools move online for the month of January (at least). Primary can catch up on the two weeks later in the year, secondary can't.

    I've always found your posts quite measured so I really hope that you are right on this.

    I am dreading the thoughts of sending the kids back to school next week. We live in an area which has high case numbers and if the kids went back they would be the only ones in our household having outside contacts.


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