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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2072
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They too are dealing with this, badly by the looks of some comments. We need to stop looking for people to blame. All that can be done is to keep drilling home the public health messages.

    That has already been done. We need to start laying blame at the feet of the people who won't obey restrictions and the decision makers who are making bad decisions.

    The carrot was tried and it resulted in 1500+ cases yesterday. Time for the big stick.


  • #2073
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    That has already been done. We need to start laying blame at the feet of the people who won't obey restrictions and the decision makers who are making bad decisions.

    The carrot was tried and it resulted in 1500+ cases yesterday. Time for the big stick.
    How do you think they'll respond to that? Bear in mind that it is households are the biggest drivers by far.


  • #2074
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Very strange the UK approved this and the EU says it’s improbable it will be approved before end of January....I don’t know the ‘ins and outs’ of this but just a bit strange really....I suppose it just shows how divisive this whole virus - nobody can seem to agree on anything!

    Oxford/AstraZeneca haven't applied to the EMA yet for marketing authorisation.

    They also need to provide more information to the EMA than MHRA as there's a big enough difference in the two authorisations given


  • #2075
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭prunudo


    From looking at posts on here and tweets it appears the track and trace is a shambles again. People waiting days to hear that they've been a close contact and further for tests. Did the high daily number of tests leading up to Christmas break the system or has the there been a breakdown in rostering over the holidays.
    Its a bit of a chicken and egg scenario and ultimately the spread will be person to person but very easy to blame extra cases on people meeting family or having Christmas dinner, not so easy to blame them if the tracing system failed to let them they know they were infectious in a timely manner.


  • #2076
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    prunudo wrote: »
    From looking at posts on here and tweets it appears the track and trace is a shambles again. People waiting days to hear that they've been a close contact and further for tests. Did the high daily number of tests leading up to Christmas break the system or has the there been a breakdown in rostering over the holidays.


    There was an idea around here that the last time our track and trace collapsed (!) it wasn't an issue - people would track and trace themselves and all would be well.


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  • #2077
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭fits


    prunudo wrote: »
    From looking at posts on here and tweets it appears the track and trace is a shambles again. People waiting days to hear that they've been a close contact and further for tests. Did the high daily number of tests leading up to Christmas break the system or has the there been a breakdown in rostering over the holidays.
    Its a bit of a chicken and egg scenario and ultimately the spread will be person to person but very easy to blame extra cases on people meeting family or having Christmas dinner, not so easy to blame them if the tracing system failed to let them they know they were infectious in a timely manner.

    The tracing just can’t function at this level of infection. It’s out of control. I think tracing is optimal at 14 day cases below 100/100000 and ideally less. But with uncontrolled community transmission it’s just not effective.


  • #2078
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I wasn't aware I was compelled to answer anything. The UK had the option to wait for the EMA, they decided not to. The Calpol thing is a joke and you either need more coffee or a better nose to sense humour, good or bad.

    Mad run on Calpol today


  • #2079
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    So if level 5 restrictions brought in n would it be from midnight tonight? So they can stop people from having new year's eve parties etc?


  • #2080
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭prunudo


    fits wrote: »
    The tracing just can’t function at this level of infection. It’s out of control. I think tracing is optimal at 14 day cases below 100/100000 and ideally less. But with uncontrolled community transmission it’s just not effective.

    Wasn't there anecdotal evidence of people looking for tests so they could get the all clear for Christmas. Was it these healthy people looking for tests that pushed the system to collapse and also in doing so made the positivity rate look better than it really was.
    Its too simplistic to just blame uncontrolled community transmission, there are far more issues at play than that.


  • #2081
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    RGARDINR wrote: »
    So if level 5 restrictions brought in n would it be from midnight tonight? So they can stop people from having new year's eve parties etc?


    I would imagine that's key in their thinking - and I think they were always going to be tightening up around now so that NYE would be a non-event. There have been very few bank holidays where we haven't had tight restrictions (Christmas Day and Stephen's Day being the only ones I can think of). Same thing for St Patrick's Day I'd imagine, with hopefully the country opening up to the mythical level 2/1 for Easter.


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  • #2082
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    is_that_so wrote: »
    How do you think they'll respond to that? Bear in mind that it is households are the biggest drivers by far.

    Yeh, it's not easily solved. I can imagine we will not be peaking in terms of numbers for another week at least.

    Think we need restrictions but better thought out ones and a very clear message from the government.

    For example I can't see why retail is going to be shut down. If a premises allows a limited number of people in and is strict on masks etc the risks will be minimal. The 5km thing is a joke also.


  • #2083
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    I would imagine that's key in their thinking - and I think they were always going to be tightening up around now so that NYE would be a non-event. There have been very few bank holidays where we haven't had tight restrictions (Christmas Day and Stephen's Day being the only ones I can think of). Same thing for St Patrick's Day I'd imagine, with hopefully the country opening up to the mythical level 2/1 for Easter.
    Yeah thinking that, so if we hear there is a speech to the nation again from the Taoiseach at some point today then its definitely happening tonight so.


  • #2084
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    fits wrote: »
    I can’t believe that people are still making this argument. Nobody is suggesting schools are risk free.

    The restrictions are about reducing overall people’s opportunities to transmit the virus while maintaining essential services to community. The km restriction has to be across the board. Please see yesterday’s example of lady driving to collect handbag while awaiting test result.

    This constant railing against restrictions from folks is ridiculous and tiresome. Just get on with it.

    If there's 25 kids in a classroom, that's 25 kids bringing it home to their families. That's not reducing risk of transmission in schools.


  • #2085
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,032 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Any indication if construction is gone with level 5? Talks of April style lockdown

    I don't think they'll close construction as I don't think there's any evidence that it's causing cases.

    I reckon non-essential retail will close. Secondary schools will move online for a few weeks. 5km limit. No socialising whatsoever. Gyms etc all closed.


  • #2086
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Big question is will golf courses remain open


  • #2087
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Big question is will golf courses remain open

    Bigger question is what will compliance be like. New Years eve doesn't bother me but I'd imagine there will still be plenty of house parties going on regardless of what restrictions are in place.


  • #2088
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Wasn't there multiple clusters linked to construction sites during the summer?

    Also, drive to any building site in Dublin and you'll see yellow reg after yellow reg, all coming from one of the worst affected territories (per head of population) in the world.


  • #2089
    [Deleted User]
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    ElJeffe wrote: »
    A high percentage of the people working construction here are from the north.

    You'd want to be a bit slow if you didn't see construction as a problem.

    The knock on effects of closing construction are far too large, but you just can't see beyond Covid.


  • #2090
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    awec wrote: »
    I don't think they'll close construction as I don't think there's any evidence that it's causing cases.

    I reckon non-essential retail will close. Secondary schools will move online for a few weeks. 5km limit. No socialising whatsoever. Gyms etc all closed.

    The unions won’t have secondary schools closed and primary teachers in the classroom


  • #2091
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Can someone explain to me why hospitalisations have risen by nearly 50% in a week?? Seems to be a bit drastic... are they admitting like they did at the start even though they more then likely only had mild symptoms? Is that nursing homes are sending residents but didn’t in October? Is their massive hospital outbreaks? Beaumont has a crazy amount admitted


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  • #2092
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    The government will loose a lot of respect if they don't (as one poster has already perfectly put) use the big stick. The same knuckle draggers who went to family households for xmas, xmas parties, office parties etc.. won't care about half baked, half arsed restrictions and will continue to do as they please. We need enforcement and huge fines where necessary everything should be considered.


  • #2093
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Mimon wrote: »
    Yeh, it's not easily solved. I can imagine we will not be peaking in terms of numbers for another week at least.

    Think we need restrictions but better thought out ones and a very clear message from the government.

    For example I can't see why retail is going to be shut down. If a premises allows a limited number of people in and is strict on masks etc the risks will be minimal. The 5km thing is a joke also.

    Non essential retail would be fine if people would follow the rules. I think I went to maybe one non essential shop during the re-opening in late summer and I spent most of the time dodging idiots breaking social distancing and/or wearing masks on their chins.

    I gave up on going out and about after that other than work, grocery shopping and one trip to a place that was doing click and collect from their doorway.


  • #2094
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    A high percentage of the people working construction here are from the north.

    You'd want to be a bit slow if you didn't see construction as a problem.

    Good point, but why follow it up with an insult to those who hadn't thought of it?

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #2095
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Good point, but why follow it up with an insult to those who hadn't thought of it?

    I suppose because people who hadn't thought of it yet felt the need to say construction isn't an issue are a bit slow.


  • #2096
    D.Q
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    they need to set up a prison for those breaking restrictions imo


  • #2097
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    AdamD wrote: »
    The knock on effects of closing construction are far too large, but you just can't see beyond Covid.

    A month won't kill them somehow i think. This is a public health emergency. The time for tip toeing is over.


  • #2098
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    As of Dec 28, 2020, IRELAND remains in a Spreading state. The infection is quickly increasing (R = 1.88). At this growth rate, new infections and deaths will double every 11 days. This outbreak is beyond containment, with 8,524 active cases, and requires mitigation. This is the 7th surge in infections, which started on the week of Dec 15, 2020. With 6,557 new cases and 46 new deaths, this is the worst week yet for cases and deaths during this surge. The Contagion Risk is extremely high at 58.4%. This is the likelihood of meeting an infected person during one hundred random encounters. It appears that the level of social distancing has increased slightly, resulting in lower levels of infection growth. IRELAND is currently on the HotSpot list due to rapid increase in cases. The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is estimated as 2.7%. This is consistent with the average CFR of 2.3%. Preliminary estimates suggest that 8% of the population may have been infected and are presumed immune. This is not enough to significantly slow the spread of the virus. This preliminary estimation also implies an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of roughly 0.5%. The Short-Term Indicator(STI) suggests that the infection is likely to slow somewhat over the next few days.

    In the middle of all the back and forth is this information.
    Is this factual or is it not? The format is very useful if accurate. I just cannot tell if it is a spoof or not. So many bits of info are thrown around.


  • #2099
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Because that's how this poster works. You are a knuckle dragger if you followed guidelines and visited family over xmas.
    Peoples minds have truly been warped.

    Why insult people by saying their minds have been warped?


  • #2100
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The government will loose a lot of respect if they don't (as one poster has already perfectly put) use the big stick. The same knuckle draggers who went to family households for xmas, xmas parties, office parties etc.. won't care about half baked, half arsed restrictions and will continue to do as they please. We need enforcement and huge fines where necessary everything should be considered.

    Stall the ball there, we were allowed go to family for Christmas, don't appreciate being called a knuckle dragger for spending time with family after the **** year we've had.


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  • #2101
    [Deleted User]
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    ElJeffe wrote: »
    A month won't kill them somehow i think. This is a public health emergency. The time for tip toeing is over.

    I'm guessing the housing crisis doesn't effect you so?

    Lets just deal with the crisis that bothers you, but no no, its everyone else who is selfish.


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