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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #1742
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    pc7 wrote: »
    I have been hugely in favour of keeping schools open as I seen how the closure affected the smallies, they really missed it and were too young for online learning.
    With how figures are going to rise in the coming days it has to be worth keeping them closed even for two weeks longer to let the spread subside and take something off Easter and Summer holidays.

    Agreed, I think they will hold off for another few weeks yet though and see if non-essential retail closures slow down the spread (Here's a spoiler; it won't)

    They'll eventually climb down around mid January and we'll have to be closed for even longer as a result.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #1743
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    awec wrote: »
    It is a fact. Zero covid is an absolutely nonsense suggestion for Ireland. We are not geographically or economically isolated enough.

    If this vaccine proves to be provide long lasting immunity it can be eradicated. Israel will be a country to follow. If it goes well it will give hope to every country


  • #1744
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Wow!

    https://twitter.com/DrNuala/status/1343947835721527296?s=19


  • #1745
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,064 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Daily case records for both ROI and NI I believe.

    Still, we surely had far higher unreported cases in the first wave.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1343983901702807553
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1746
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Wow!

    https://twitter.com/DrNuala/status/1343947835721527296?s=19

    Good grief


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  • #1747
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I think it's about keeping track of where the cases are and where they are coming from.

    That's a lot of it. It does make outbreaks easier to identify, track and contain.

    Basically when you impose a 2km restriction you are effectively telling people to stay at home as much as possible.

    A 5km is basically telling people to stay local and not to make unessential journeys.

    People are ridiculously pedantic in how the interpret the reasoning behind it: no it doesn't mean that a walk suddenly becomes dangerous at 5.1 km, but 5km is a reasonable distance that if enough people stick to it cuts down on people interacting with each other, localises the spread of the disease etc, etc. There is logic behind it. I still can't believe that after all these months a lot of people can't understand the reasoning behind it.

    But then again I've seen people wondering on the thread did we have a 2km limit at one stage. Yes, yes, we did: for six weeks. People just don't remember things.

    And the totally bogus argument that forcing people to stay within 5km somehow pushes numbers up is just that: totally bogus. We had a countrywide 2km distance limit for ages during the first wave and - lo and behold - case numbers fell because generally people were staying at home and not getting out that much. This thread is so full of twaddle at times.


  • #1748
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Oh LOL that seems like so long ago now.

    Cheltenham will go ahead, FG and the Greens will try to scupper St Patrick's day,


  • #1749
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Depends.

    If are like the Marty Miller's of this world, I'd go with mine.
    If pubs in your area were throwing their arse at it, that's their fault and shouldn't base everyone else on them

    We don't base everyone on them, we do some regulations based on them though, to protect everybody else.


  • #1750
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Middle of this and someone complaining they can't go for a drive outside a 5km zone? Just do a few laps inside it, ffs. I read some of these posts with the mouth open.
    What if they would like to go for a walk on a nice deserted beach but it's 6 to 9 km away.


  • #1751
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If you were in several that were a disgrace, did you not think maybe I should stop going. Did you leave the ones that were a disgrace by any chance.

    Yeah I did actually, what's your point though?


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  • #1752
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Arghus wrote: »
    T

    This thread is so full of twaddle at times.

    It was just a joke when I said 750,000 people went to Glendalough.. :eek:


  • #1753
    princemuzzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭princemuzzy


    that cant be right


  • #1754
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    If my wife is going for a test, should I self isolate or must I attend the work place if my boss insists?


  • #1755
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    If my wife is going for a test, should I self isolate or must I attend the work place if my boss insists?

    Restrict tour movements

    Ie do not go to your workplace


  • #1756
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Stheno wrote: »
    Restrict tour movements

    Ie do not go to your workplace
    Is that written down somewhere or just your opinion?


  • #1757
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    If my wife is going for a test, should I self isolate or must I attend the work place if my boss insists?

    Self isolate until test results are known. (Presuming that you live with your wife). Boss can not insist anything.


  • #1758
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    What if they would like to go for a walk on a nice deserted beach but it's 6 to 9 km away.

    Except the beach won't be deserted because everyone else will make an exception of themselves also and suddenly the world and its mother is on the beach.

    A neighbour said she couldn't pass the Hellfire/Massy's road this evening with all the illegal parking from people having a walk in the "deserted" forest.


  • #1759
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Is that written down somewhere or just your opinion?

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/self-isolation/how-to-self-isolate.html

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html


  • #1760
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    If my wife is going for a test, should I self isolate or must I attend the work place if my boss insists?

    Isolate until results are back. If positive, isolate some more.


  • #1761
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Wow!

    https://twitter.com/DrNuala/status/1343947835721527296?s=19

    These next few weeks are going to be worse than even i expected. I was ridiculed by the usual mob here for suggesting 3k cases per day was a real possibility in January. We'll be lucky to keep it that low now. :(


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  • #1762
    [Deleted User]
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    Necro wrote: »
    Agreed, I think they will hold off for another few weeks yet though and see if non-essential retail closures slow down the spread (Here's a spoiler; it won't)

    They'll eventually climb down around mid January and we'll have to be closed for even longer as a result.

    the government have been so disingenuous about the schools. Of course they are significant contributors to infections. Other countries and scientific advisory bodies acknowledge this (eg SAGE)

    If NPHET and the government had acknowledged that but said that there are other persuasive reasons to keep them open (which there are) and they will do their best to mitigate the risk, I’d have understood and supported. Instead they come out with the nonsense that they are not significant drivers. So disingenuous. How are we supposed them to take them seriously about anything else.

    They should be shut for a couple more weeks until we get ahead of this as best we can


  • #1763
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,390 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    You are a close contact of a possible positive until they return a negative result you should self isolate


  • #1764
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The numbers went down at the start of summer (May) and went up again at the start of winter (October).

    Sorry but did no one ever read that Tintin book where he convinces a primitive tribe he's a god by taking credit for an eclipse? Or do you know what a cargo cult is?

    This is why scientific proofs usually depend on repeated empirical testing.


  • #1765
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    These next few weeks are going to be worse than even i expected. I was ridiculed by the usual mob here for suggesting 3k cases per day was a real possibility in January. We'll be lucky to keep it that low now. :(

    3K a day if not more by next week I would think if the doubling rate is around 7 days.
    Hard to say though, with the testing and reporting having been so disrupted due to Christmas (ffs!).


  • #1766
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    I have read the rules and your employer can make you work if your wife is getting a test

    Do not go to work, unless you work on your own and can completely avoid other people. If you are an essential worker and do not have any symptoms, talk to your employer.


  • #1767
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    growleaves wrote: »
    The numbers went down at the start of summer (May) and went up again at the start of winter (October).

    Sorry but did no one ever read that Tintin book where he convinces a primitive tribe he's a god by taking credit for an eclipse? Or do you know what a cargo cult is?

    This is why scientific proofs usually depend on repeated empirical testing.

    What's your alternative hypothesis so.


  • #1768
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,589 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    1500 cases.... and you think that is is ?? Come on....
    it's 10 fold or more.
    There is a clear refusal to close school, and to ban household mixing, and to close ALL non essential businesses. As soon as MeHole got in power we were doomed.


  • #1769
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-defends-delay-of-irelands-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out-1056296.html
    Mr Varadkar said the pace at which the vaccination programme will be rolled out is due to issues such as training for vaccinators and informed consent.

    Why would health professionals need to be trained differently in administering the coronavirus vaccine from the training they're given for administering a vaccine against any other virus?

    Furthermore, how is the informed consent process here any different from what it is for other vaccines?


  • #1770
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Isolate until results are back. If positive, isolate some more.

    You'll have to take the hit money wise, you cant go to work but cant claim sickdays of SW either


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  • #1771
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    growleaves wrote: »
    The numbers went down at the start of summer (May) and went up again at the start of winter (October).

    Sorry but did no one ever read that Tintin book where he convinces a primitive tribe he's a god by taking credit for an eclipse? Or do you know what a cargo cult is?

    This is why scientific proofs usually depend on repeated empirical testing.

    So, seasonality might be more the determinant on case numbers than social restrictions?
    It's an interesting idea.


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