The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No they didn't. They ran out of steam, because they simply don't have the same strength and conditioning, nowhere near to the professional level of coaching that Dublin do anyway. In effect, they are relying purely on talent to counteract all Dublin's advantages. You would assume, on a level playing field and with the same advantages, they'd be ahead of Dublin, like they generally always were

I agree with all of that, what I don't agree with was your statement that Kerry were a match for Dublin last year. They weren't, they were only a match for them when Dublin went down to 14 players.

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No they didn't. They ran out of steam, because they simply don't have the same strength and conditioning, nowhere near to the professional level of coaching that Dublin do anyway. In effect, they are relying purely on talent to counteract all Dublin's advantages. You would assume, on a level playing field and with the same advantages, they'd be ahead of Dublin, like they generally always were

Think you need to watch the match again

Do the Dubs here not agree that the Dubs are operating at a professional level since they always blow teams away in thd last ten minutes of games..

ooter wrote: »

No but they broke the rules, they cheated.
The dublin senior footballers never broke the rules.
The Dublin 2011 team with cluxton and jmc on board beats the 2020 team all day long.

What actually happened was fund raising for a team trip, not vast funding for professional coaching.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/living-on-the-edge-of-old-rules-about-commercialism-26327565.html

ooter wrote: »

Probably only the tip of the iceberg, Shure they don't call them cute hoors for nattin.

I have no problem accepting what you say, if you could provide some bit of proof it would help your cause.

ooter wrote: »

Your own link is proof that they broke the rules.

I think it shows they skirted the rules as regards fund raising for a trip.
Commercialism was not looked at kindly by the GAA at that time. Remember when sponsorship came in first the font size that was allowed on the jerseys?
It took the GAA a long time to recognise the value associated with the game.
Fellows were allowed do some ads but it had to be directly related to their job I think Tony Doran of wexford did leo yellow ads because he was a farmer.

You have yet to show proof of vast quantities of money being poured in to coaching in Kerry to the detriment of 31 other countries.

major interest wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1223/1186166-is-splitting-dublin-the-answer-to-leinsters-woes/

Piece on rte about the Leinster question and discussing the arguments for splits/amalgamations of counties. He argues the case for amalgamations of counties but seems to dismiss the idea of splits.

Ultimately, I think both would be on the cards if the GAA goes down that route.

Poor enough article really, his rational for not splitting Dublin is identity yet he has no issue amalgating counties because their identity is linked to "Dubs versus the rest".

ooter wrote: »

The system is clearly broken because Kerry have won 15 Munsters this century and Dublin have won 16 leinsters, but Kerry win 11 out of 12 Munsters in the 70/80s and there's nothing to see here.

Munster is a hurling province bar Kerry and West Cork.

major interest wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1223/1186166-is-splitting-dublin-the-answer-to-leinsters-woes/

Piece on rte about the Leinster question and discussing the arguments for splits/amalgamations of counties. He argues the case for amalgamations of counties but seems to dismiss the idea of splits.

Ultimately, I think both would be on the cards if the GAA goes down that route.

I'd put a lot of money on the author of that article being from Dublin.

I think the big question we all have to ask ourselves is how we see the future of Gaelic Games. Do we want to continue down the road we're currently on where you need to have access to large resources in order to compete. Dublin have obviously received huge sums in games development funding but they receive about 1.5 million in sponsorship money every year and that's rising. They spend 2 million in wages and salaries. They spend over 1.5 million on team expenses, over 2 million on administration and other expenses and they can purchase Hollystown golf club and spawell for millions of euro without much issue.

It's not only Dublin though, we have seen other counties pumping large sums into their setups. Just not anywhere near the same scale and obviously without the huge assistance from taxpayers and the GAA. But is this what we want? Counties spending huge sums in order to improve standards, is it in any way sustainable? Looking at the debts of some, it clearly isn't. It's only sustainable in Dublin, the resources are there for 4 counties to compete.

Instead of this professional direction we're going down, we have a much fairer and simpler route available to us. We provide each county with the officials and coaches necessary for them to develop hurling and football. This will not only increase standards across the county but also increase the strength of Gaelic Games in terms of numbers also. We will have to have a new championship system as we'll have about 15/16 counties in Leinster but working that out is for a later date.

JeffKenna wrote: »

So Tipp is a football county your saying?

I’d say tipp are a dual county, as are Cork, Clare might also be considered dual. It’s what the GAA is about, but some counties choose one over the other.

ArielAtom wrote: »

I’d say tipp are a dual county, as are Cork, Clare might also be considered dual. It’s what the GAA is about, but some counties choose one over the other.

I suppose it depends on the definition of dual. After Tipps run in 2016 the first game they played in the football League drew 722 spectators. This was in Thurles. In contrast the hurlers will easily draw 10 times that crowd.

major interest wrote: »

Yeah he contradicts himself there. If the identity issue can be overcome for amalgamating counties then surely the same applies for splitting a county.

Can anyone confirm where the author of the article is from? I think that might tell us the agenda he's peddling.

It's clear though that everyone can see major changes ahead. Those in defence of the huge sums pumped into Dublin GAA see it more than anyone. They are starting their campaign for the amalgamations of counties. This is their only defence left as it's clear that the game is up in terms of pretending it's not finance that has transformed Dublin GAA.

Now is really time the rest of us stood up and made our views clear. Ask yourself, do you want to be thrown in with one of your neighbours? If you're from Tyrone, do you want to team up with Derry? Mayo team up with Roscommon? Meath and Westmeath? Cork and Kerry? None of us want this and why should we accept it? No other county received multi-millions.

If you don't want your county amalgamated, it's time to voice your concerns and let your county board know. Maybe through your clubs or whatever way possible. Most county boards have stood by and let this happen. In many ways you can't blame them as to go against HQ could leave them in a difficult position when seeking funds. It's time for action now though and as we know, the GAA is all about the bottom line nowadays. A boycott of games or competitions will have to be considered seriously until this issue is sorted.