Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

2ndcoming · 27-12-2020 07:14PM

The amount of ****e talk on here is overwhelming at times. The pubs are closed because it's an obviously high risk environment for transmission of the virus. We had our record amount of cases yesterday and will probably break that record in the coming days.

Is it all down to the pubs? No, but behaviours change when the pubs etc are allowed to open, I know mine does. Is it **** for publicans, absolutely but at the end of the day we all know we have to put up with this until we put this bollocks behind us. They absolutely deserve more real supports than most businesses as they've been disrupted more than any other type of business.

But the point of whingeing about it on a daily basis is lost on me. And I say all this as a habitual drinker who I'm fairly sure spends more of their time / money down the local than a lot of the posters here.

Sofa King Great · 27-12-2020 07:20PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Never again do I want to hear that the LVA or the publicans hold all the cards, clearly their influence has been moved to the bottom of the totem pole.

I can see no good reason why the food pubs / restaurants were ever treated differently to the drink only pubs.

I think the time is ripe for a new political party centred on the interests of the vital SME sector in Ireland to ensure business owners and the self employed aren't routinely shafted by closures, taxation and regulation like they are now.

Its sick that theres such a disdain for one of Irelands greatest institutions in government and even among some people on this site. The warmth, friendliness and craic of the traditional Irish non-food pub has been and always should be one of the nations proudest attributes

One of irelands greatest institutions... Will you come off it. A group of sleeveens and cute hoors who were always happy to push the boundaries in terms of licensing laws and rip us off at every turn. They couldn't give a ****e about the impact that drink had on lots of their customers but were quite happy to take all their money for it

LuasSimon · 27-12-2020 07:24PM

Many publicans are happy to be closed from a financial point of view and that’s why there isn’t more about it .
If you are a small or medium sized pub in rural Ireland and both you and your spouse are getting 350 each ie 700 plus different grants you are better off than been open .

El_Duderino 09 · 27-12-2020 08:18PM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

One of irelands greatest institutions... Will you come off it. A group of sleeveens and cute hoors who were always happy to push the boundaries in terms of licensing laws and rip us off at every turn. They couldn't give a ****e about the impact that drink had on lots of their customers but were quite happy to take all their money for it

Sleeveens and cute hoors or not, isn’t the point. It’s not their job to care about the damage alcohol does to their customers or if their customers behaviour helps spread covid - that’s not what capitalism is. It’s government’s job to make those decisions on the public’s behalf.

Publicans not caring about the effects of covid and government deciding to shut pubs (and offer financial support) is a case of everyone doing their job.

27-12-2020 08:56PM

The way things are going I think it might make more sense to continue to prevent pubs from opening and also add gastro-pubs to the list. The 9 euro meal was clearly a problem from the outset and - as we've seen from posters on here - it hasn't been adhered to all that closely in places.

From a "letting people get back to work" point of view, I'd rather see cafes, coffee shops and restaurants open up from say the end of Jan once the numbers come down a bit. Keep pubs and gastro-pubs closed but have the Govt commit to properly supporting them during the closure. It's not ideal but, it would allow 2000 or so businesses to re-open under the indoor dining, 105 minute guidelines.

I've been in a few places over the last few weeks that are mainly local restaurants where people go for brunch, lunch, dinner on a Saturday or Sunday - there might be a couple of glasses / bottles of wine consumed at each table but it's mainly about getting out for a bit of food and a bit of a chat with family members, sons and daughters meeting up with their parents to see the grandkids etc.

Plus, for me anyway, it was nice to get out at lunch time and pop in somewhere for a sandwich and some soup or whatever - anything to break the WFH Monday to Friday monotony.

Take alcohol out of the equation and it might become a bit easier to get - somewhat - back to normality for the rest of the hospitality industry.

PommieBast · 27-12-2020 09:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

From a "letting people get back to work" point of view, I'd rather see cafes, coffee shops and restaurants open up from say the end of Jan once the numbers come down a bit. Keep pubs and gastro-pubs closed but have the Govt commit to properly supporting them during the closure. It's not ideal but, it would allow 2000 or so businesses to re-open under the indoor dining, 105 minute guidelines.

A big problem is that the government is unable and/or unwilling to do this. Quite honesty at this stage the best that can be hoped for is relaxation of the bankruptcy laws so that those who have had their businesses destroyed don't lose everything.

weldoninhio · 27-12-2020 09:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The way things are going I think it might make more sense to continue to prevent pubs from opening and also add gastro-pubs to the list. The 9 euro meal was clearly a problem from the outset and - as we've seen from posters on here - it hasn't been adhered to all that closely in places.

From a "letting people get back to work" point of view, I'd rather see cafes, coffee shops and restaurants open up from say the end of Jan once the numbers come down a bit. Keep pubs and gastro-pubs closed but have the Govt commit to properly supporting them during the closure. It's not ideal but, it would allow 2000 or so businesses to re-open under the indoor dining, 105 minute guidelines.

I've been in a few places over the last few weeks that are mainly local restaurants where people go for brunch, lunch, dinner on a Saturday or Sunday - there might be a couple of glasses / bottles of wine consumed at each table but it's mainly about getting out for a bit of food and a bit of a chat with family members, sons and daughters meeting up with their parents to see the grandkids etc.

Plus, for me anyway, it was nice to get out at lunch time and pop in somewhere for a sandwich and some soup or whatever - anything to break the WFH Monday to Friday monotony.

Take alcohol out of the equation and it might become a bit easier to get - somewhat - back to normality for the rest of the hospitality industry.

TL:DR I prefer traditional cafes/restaurants so I think they should open ahead of pubs/gastropubs

Neowise · 27-12-2020 09:57PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

A pub owner i know tells me between himself and his wife getting the 350 each plus grants hes got hes better off than when the pub was open.
It is a medium size bar in a rural town.

LuasSimon wrote: »

Are most medium sized pubs not doing ok been closed. Pub i know the husband and the wife are both getting 350 every week and have got a number of different grants as well, he tells me hes better off with the pub closed. Its in a rural town??

LuasSimon wrote: »

Many publicans are happy to be closed from a financial point of view and that’s why there isn’t more about it .
If you are a small or medium sized pub in rural Ireland and both you and your spouse are getting 350 each ie 700 plus different grants you are better off than been open .

Read this 5 days ago, then two days ago, I said,why is they repeating themself. Now here it is again. Why are you posting the same thing over and over again?

hynesie08 · 27-12-2020 10:02PM

Neowise wrote: »

Read this 5 days ago, then two days ago, I said,why is they repeating themself. Now here it is again. Why are you posting the same thing over and over again?

The problem with amateur spoofers is they can't keep up with their lies, so they tend to repeat themselves.....

Drifter50 · 27-12-2020 10:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The way things are going I think it might make more sense to continue to prevent pubs from opening and also add gastro-pubs to the list. The 9 euro meal was clearly a problem from the outset and - as we've seen from posters on here - it hasn't been adhered to all that closely in places.

From a "letting people get back to work" point of view, I'd rather see cafes, coffee shops and restaurants open up from say the end of Jan once the numbers come down a bit. Keep pubs and gastro-pubs closed but have the Govt commit to properly supporting them during the closure. It's not ideal but, it would allow 2000 or so businesses to re-open under the indoor dining, 105 minute guidelines.

I've been in a few places over the last few weeks that are mainly local restaurants where people go for brunch, lunch, dinner on a Saturday or Sunday - there might be a couple of glasses / bottles of wine consumed at each table but it's mainly about getting out for a bit of food and a bit of a chat with family members, sons and daughters meeting up with their parents to see the grandkids etc.

Plus, for me anyway, it was nice to get out at lunch time and pop in somewhere for a sandwich and some soup or whatever - anything to break the WFH Monday to Friday monotony.

Take alcohol out of the equation and it might become a bit easier to get - somewhat - back to normality for the rest of the hospitality industry.

You are completely adhering to Dr Tonys, NPHET and the governments projection of where they and I mean they the establishment want the hospitality and tourism business to change their models towards and if that happens so be it but conventional Irish tourism will be destroyed. We are Irish, we have a legacy and tradition of traditional pubs where you can go for a drink, a number of drinks or a clatter of drinks if you want. Thats what these people want to destroy and we have to push back and stop this change. If we allow this to happen we will lose the traditional rural pub where you can go with €25 in your pocket, get 2 drinks for yourself and your better half and then mosey off home after a chat with your friends. Fair enough if you want to go to these massive gastro pubs and buy food and then some drinks but you must have the budget for this and not everyone and certainly not everyone in rural Ireland has that. Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us. I`m pretty sure that whenever I have been on the continent over the last 10 years you don`t have to buy food every time you stop at a pub. Time to stop this rush to do away with our pub culture and stand up

ginoginelli · 27-12-2020 10:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The way things are going I think it might make more sense to continue to prevent pubs from opening and also add gastro-pubs to the list. The 9 euro meal was clearly a problem from the outset and - as we've seen from posters on here - it hasn't been adhered to all that closely in places.

From a "letting people get back to work" point of view, I'd rather see cafes, coffee shops and restaurants open up from say the end of Jan once the numbers come down a bit. Keep pubs and gastro-pubs closed but have the Govt commit to properly supporting them during the closure. It's not ideal but, it would allow 2000 or so businesses to re-open under the indoor dining, 105 minute guidelines.

I've been in a few places over the last few weeks that are mainly local restaurants where people go for brunch, lunch, dinner on a Saturday or Sunday - there might be a couple of glasses / bottles of wine consumed at each table but it's mainly about getting out for a bit of food and a bit of a chat with family members, sons and daughters meeting up with their parents to see the grandkids etc.

Plus, for me anyway, it was nice to get out at lunch time and pop in somewhere for a sandwich and some soup or whatever - anything to break the WFH Monday to Friday monotony.

Take alcohol out of the equation and it might become a bit easier to get - somewhat - back to normality for the rest of the hospitality industry.

Indoor dining is just too risky with this particular virus though.

Ideally restaurants and cafes receive further financial protection until June and only open outdoors and take away until then.

Dickie10 · 27-12-2020 10:21PM

but surely you can just go to a pub that serves food eit down and drink as you would have before if you wanted.

PTH2009 · 27-12-2020 10:23PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

but surely you can just go to a pub that serves food eit down and drink as you would have before if you wanted.

Once you consume your meal you can stay and drink to your hearts content if your table is 2m away

Me thinks that's the end of that and no way will food pubs be permitted to open in Level 3

27-12-2020 10:28PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Once you consume your meal you can stay and drink to your hearts content if your table is 2m away

Unless they want the table to sell another 9 euro meal every 105 minutes. They may have been closed a lot but they’re still publicans.

27-12-2020 10:29PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

You are completely adhering to Dr Tonys, NPHET and the governments projection of where they and I mean they the establishment want the hospitality and tourism business to change their models towards and if that happens so be it but conventional Irish tourism will be destroyed. We are Irish, we have a legacy and tradition of traditional pubs where you can go for a drink, a number of drinks or a clatter of drinks if you want. Thats what these people want to destroy and we have to push back and stop this change. If we allow this to happen we will lose the traditional rural pub where you can go with €25 in your pocket, get 2 drinks for yourself and your better half and then mosey off home after a chat with your friends. Fair enough if you want to go to these massive gastro pubs and buy food and then some drinks but you must have the budget for this and not everyone and certainly not everyone in rural Ireland has that. Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us. I`m pretty sure that whenever I have been on the continent over the last 10 years you don`t have to buy food every time you stop at a pub. Time to stop this rush to do away with our pub culture and stand up

I think that it would be better, in the short term, to allow non-alcohol reliant businesses to open up. That's hardly controversial.

mightyreds · 27-12-2020 10:32PM

ginoginelli wrote: »

Indoor dining is just too risky with this particular virus though.

Ideally restaurants and cafes receive further financial protection until June and only open outdoors and take away until then.

They are targeting June for mass gatherings surely pubs are in around March/April

27-12-2020 10:36PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

TL:DR I prefer traditional cafes/restaurants so I think they should open ahead of pubs/gastropubs

That's not even remotely close to what I was getting at.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-12-2020 11:25PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

You are completely adhering to Dr Tonys, NPHET and the governments projection of where they and I mean they the establishment want the hospitality and tourism business to change their models towards and if that happens so be it but conventional Irish tourism will be destroyed. We are Irish, we have a legacy and tradition of traditional pubs where you can go for a drink, a number of drinks or a clatter of drinks if you want. Thats what these people want to destroy and we have to push back and stop this change. If we allow this to happen we will lose the traditional rural pub where you can go with €25 in your pocket, get 2 drinks for yourself and your better half and then mosey off home after a chat with your friends. Fair enough if you want to go to these massive gastro pubs and buy food and then some drinks but you must have the budget for this and not everyone and certainly not everyone in rural Ireland has that. Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us. I`m pretty sure that whenever I have been on the continent over the last 10 years you don`t have to buy food every time you stop at a pub. Time to stop this rush to do away with our pub culture and stand up

Dead right. It’s definitely a conspiracy. I can’t figure out what exactly the conspiracy hopes to achieve or why or who is behind it but one thing I’m sure of, they’re out to get YOU (and your Mrs.)

Lads, it’s not a conspiracy. There’s a pandemic on and lots of people are being inconvenienced, not just you. I can assure you that you not being a lap to go for a pint is not the the worst part of the pandemic.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-12-2020 11:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's not even remotely close to what I was getting at.

I know that. But nuance or reality aren’t
Well received in this thread. The usual suspects like to see any opposition to pubs reopening right now as being either:
anti drink,
anti pub,
anti craic or,
pro 5G,
pro European cafe culture

Somehow, this has turned into a conspiracy theorist thread.

Loafing Oaf · 27-12-2020 11:59PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us.

:eek:

Where are you going, Roly's Bistro?

PTH2009 · 28-12-2020 12:16AM

mightyreds wrote: »

They are targeting June for mass gatherings surely pubs are in around March/April

Where did you hear that for mass gatherings ?

Kind of convenient esp with the 4 Euro 20/21 games in Dublin which will bring in a lot of money not to mention concerts/GAA/Rugby matches etc

Let's hope anyway they happen

kippy · 28-12-2020 12:26AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

You are completely adhering to Dr Tonys, NPHET and the governments projection of where they and I mean they the establishment want the hospitality and tourism business to change their models towards and if that happens so be it but conventional Irish tourism will be destroyed. We are Irish, we have a legacy and tradition of traditional pubs where you can go for a drink, a number of drinks or a clatter of drinks if you want. Thats what these people want to destroy and we have to push back and stop this change. If we allow this to happen we will lose the traditional rural pub where you can go with €25 in your pocket, get 2 drinks for yourself and your better half and then mosey off home after a chat with your friends. Fair enough if you want to go to these massive gastro pubs and buy food and then some drinks but you must have the budget for this and not everyone and certainly not everyone in rural Ireland has that. Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us. I`m pretty sure that whenever I have been on the continent over the last 10 years you don`t have to buy food every time you stop at a pub. Time to stop this rush to do away with our pub culture and stand up

You don't need to buy food in a Gastro pub in 'normal' times...
I really don't think the arms of the state are in cohoots with private enterprise or indeed have the capability to do this.
There are plenty smaller pubs that sell food rurally and the reality for a lot of pubs I'd they need to be doing this in the modern world anyway to turn a buck.

Coillte_Bhoy · 28-12-2020 12:31AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

You are completely adhering to Dr Tonys, NPHET and the governments projection of where they and I mean they the establishment want the hospitality and tourism business to change their models towards and if that happens so be it but conventional Irish tourism will be destroyed. We are Irish, we have a legacy and tradition of traditional pubs where you can go for a drink, a number of drinks or a clatter of drinks if you want. Thats what these people want to destroy and we have to push back and stop this change. If we allow this to happen we will lose the traditional rural pub where you can go with €25 in your pocket, get 2 drinks for yourself and your better half and then mosey off home after a chat with your friends. Fair enough if you want to go to these massive gastro pubs and buy food and then some drinks but you must have the budget for this and not everyone and certainly not everyone in rural Ireland has that. Every time I seem to go to a gastropub or a hotel over the last few years for lunch or food in the evening I seem to end up with a bill for €80/€100 for the 2 of us. I`m pretty sure that whenever I have been on the continent over the last 10 years you don`t have to buy food every time you stop at a pub. Time to stop this rush to do away with our pub culture and stand up

The biggest lie being propagated by the idiot brigade. Why oh why would the 'establishment' want to kill off one of the main selling point so our tourist industry, the Irish Pub?? Ill humour you for a sec so lets go back to pre covid? Please point me towards any evidence of this dastardly plan? Anything?

Hector Savage · 28-12-2020 09:56AM

bladespin wrote: »

Quite a lot seem to enjoy seeing restrictions, shutdowns etc, weird, Leo's curtain twitchers, you'd wonder what kind of life they had before covid.

Irony is if you look at his posting history he was fond of the hookers, going on many "golf" trips for orgies and the like.

Then coming home to his wife with god knows what on his knob.

But shhhhhhh .... it's not covid, a disease slightly more dangerous than the flu to vast majority.

Eric Cartman · 28-12-2020 10:05AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

TL:DR I prefer traditional cafes/restaurants so I think they should open ahead of pubs/gastropubs

There is no reason that a coffee shop should be allowed open for indoor / sit down service and not a non food pub. They should never have been treated differently.

kippy · 28-12-2020 10:56AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

There is no reason that a coffee shop should be allowed open for indoor / sit down service and not a non food pub. They should never have been treated differently.

They absolutely have to be treated differently. It's a pity the obvious difference between them aren't so obvious to you.

kippy · 28-12-2020 10:57AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The biggest lie being propagated by the idiot brigade. Why oh why would the 'establishment' want to kill off one of the main selling point so our tourist industry, the Irish Pub?? Ill humour you for a sec so lets go back to pre covid? Please point me towards any evidence of this dastardly plan? Anything?

Yep, they questions should always be broken down to who and why? It breaks down a lot of the nonsense spouted.

Stormyteacup · 28-12-2020 11:00AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

There is no reason that a coffee shop should be allowed open for indoor / sit down service and not a non food pub. They should never have been treated differently.

Agree. There is a weird disdain from some for anyone who enjoys a drink in a social setting.

The reason given for closures was that indoor, normally (for Ireland) ventilated spaces, with medium to large groups of people is high risk for spread of an aerosol virus.

There was no need for the government to focus on alcohol and its impact on behaviour. The picking and choosing of which parts of hospitality to open was a ridiculous farce. Either close all, open all with same restrictions, or ban alcohol altogether. If behaviour under the influence increases the spread of covid then why allow unrestricted sales of it on supermarkets and off-licenses?

If you believe you are safe in a coffee shop you haven’t been paying attention, or have disregarded the science because you would like to visit a coffee shop.

Personally I would prefer to make my own risk assessment, but that’s not going to be an option.

And if you believe hospitality owners are gougers, I reckon the carpet baggers descending post business failures will be much worse.

At the very least the businesses forced to close should be fully supported financially. Not only are pubs going to the wall - they’ve an uphill battle to look forward to afterwards, against a Puritan push and spin campaign that has slashed a red X across their doors.

Windmill100000 · 28-12-2020 11:06AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The biggest lie being propagated by the idiot brigade. Why oh why would the 'establishment' want to kill off one of the main selling point so our tourist industry, the Irish Pub?? Ill humour you for a sec so lets go back to pre covid? Please point me towards any evidence of this dastardly plan? Anything?

Similarly, why would any government DELIBERATELY destroy their economy? They wont be voted back in if they do and God knows politicians want to be elected.

It's not a global conspiracy but in many ways it has been an overreaction.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-12-2020 11:12AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Agree. There is a weird disdain from some for anyone who enjoys a drink in a social setting.

The reason given for closures was that indoor, normally (for Ireland) ventilated spaces, with medium to large groups of people is high risk for spread of an aerosol virus.

There was no need for the government to focus on alcohol and its impact on behaviour. The picking and choosing of which parts of hospitality to open was a ridiculous farce. Either close all, open all with same restrictions, or ban alcohol altogether. If behaviour under the influence increases the spread of covid then why allow unrestricted sales of it on supermarkets and off-licenses?

If you believe you are safe in a coffee shop you haven’t been paying attention, or have disregarded the science because you would like to visit a coffee shop.

Personally I would prefer to make my own risk assessment, but that’s not going to be an option.

And if you believe hospitality owners are gougers, I reckon the carpet baggers descending post business failures will be much worse.

At the very least the businesses forced to close should be fully supported financially. Not only are pubs going to the wall - they’ve an uphill battle to look forward to afterwards, against a Puritan push and spin campaign that has slashed a red X across their doors.

Distain for drinkers...
Ban all alcohol sales...
Puritan push...

Is there a pub conspiracy theorist bingo game? You might be close to a full house.

If there’s a big puritan push from government and the public against drinking, why do you think they didn’t ban alcohol sale in shops?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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