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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #8342
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I wasn't one of them to be fair. Just raising a (bleak) possibility. Hope the vaccine is rolled out hard and fast to knock this thing out before it can adapt.

    Sorry not aimed at you in particular. Just hope it’s not the new default line for them. We had enough of the “never be one” stuff.


  • #8343
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    If we still have distancing and masks this time next year, the vaccine rollout will not be considered a success

    Why? I think the vaccination could be rolled out very successfully and we could still need distancing and masks. Young people probably won’t be vaccinated by this time next year. If that’s the case then the protocol will be to distance and wear masks.

    How do you think it will work?


  • #8344
    Pigeon Chaser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    What's the penalty if you are a customer of a pub if raided/shut down by the Gardaí?

    Does the publican bear all the risk or is it an offence to be on site drinking pints?


  • #8345
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,766 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Can see the takeaway options been given the chop by the government. I'm surprised off licences haven't been targeted for closure


  • #8346
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Can see the takeaway options been given the chop by the government. I'm surprised off licences haven't been targeted for closure

    They've been open throughout, from the highest peak to the lowest trough. Why would they be closed now?


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  • #8347
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GazzaL wrote: »
    They've been open throughout, from the highest peak to the lowest trough. Why would they be closed now?

    Because it would help.


  • #8348
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,766 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    GazzaL wrote: »
    They've been open throughout, from the highest peak to the lowest trough. Why would they be closed now?

    Anything is possible with these lads in charge

    Takeaway service has caused a few illegall gatherings but same can said for house parties (which are still happening)


  • #8349
    votecounts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭votecounts


    In relation to the take away option, pre covid, I always drinking in public was illegal and the Gardai would be quick the alcohol and pour it down the drain.
    Couldn't see it working in the town I live.


  • #8350
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    votecounts wrote: »
    In relation to the take away option, pre covid, I always drinking in public was illegal and the Gardai would be quick the alcohol and pour it down the drain.
    Couldn't see it working in the town I live.

    Depends on your local bye laws. There's no national law for drinking in the street


  • #8351
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Why? I think the vaccination could be rolled out very successfully and we could still need distancing and masks. Young people probably won’t be vaccinated by this time next year. If that’s the case then the protocol will be to distance and wear masks.

    How do you think it will work?

    Young people don't have the hospitalisation rate of older people


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  • #8352
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    God im getting a definite feeling that people are very gleeful that pubs that dont serve food wont open til june


  • #8353
    PommieBast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    When they have the over 70 vaccinated you wl see the economy reopening. As well summer weather reduces it's transmission with outdoor dining and boozing possible. Probably no concerts and limited match attendances but from May on we will see a much more open economy.
    I think we will see a repeat of last spring/summer and see serious dragging of the heels when it comes to reopening especially with pubs. I also hope I am wrong...


  • #8354
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,856 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Pigeon Chaser wrote: »
    What's the penalty if you are a customer of a pub if raided/shut down by the Gardaí?

    Does the publican bear all the risk or is it an offence to be on site drinking pints?
    The publican cops the penalty. Cops have no interest in the patrons outside of sending everyone out the door.


  • #8355
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    helimachoptor wrote: »
    Young people don't have the hospitalisation rate of older people

    I understand that. What I’m asking is how do you think it will work? Do you think we’ll do away with distancing and masks?

    I think that while covid is still doing the rounds, distancing and masks will still be needed. The advantage is that businesses can still stay open and do business.


  • #8356
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    God im getting a definite feeling that people are very gleeful that pubs that dont serve food wont open til june

    Where are you getting June from?


  • #8357
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    Micheal Martin and Leo, some of the medics say Autumn but sure they wouldnt mind if they never opened. I presume its April for restaurants and hotels maybe mid june for other pubs that serve only drink. surely wont be much later will it?


  • #8358
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    Micheal Martin and Leo, some of the medics say Autumn but sure they wouldnt mind if they never opened. I presume its April for restaurants and hotels maybe mid june for other pubs that serve only drink. surely wont be much later will it?

    March 2022 at the earliest.


  • #8359
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    March 2022 at the earliest.

    oh I see, oh well.


  • #8360
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    Cant see pubs opening in 2021 to be honest. Simply by the way they have been treated by the government and NPHET thus far, it seems they will leave it as long as humanly possible to open them.
    For a variety of reasons.


  • #8361
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,610 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Cant see pubs opening in 2021 to be honest. Simply by the way they have been treated by the government and NPHET thus far, it seems they will leave it as long as humanly possible to open them.
    For a variety of reasons.

    Name a few?


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  • #8362
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,766 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Cant see pubs opening in 2021 to be honest. Simply by the way they have been treated by the government and NPHET thus far, it seems they will leave it as long as humanly possible to open them.
    For a variety of reasons.

    All those vintners associations should kick up murder if we see a repeat of last summer and Pubs open all over Europe with ours still shut

    The openings in September were grand for 90% of places and actually enjoyable.


  • #8363
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Name a few?

    1. Government seem to think the pubs are the big bad wolf of Coronavirus.

    2. Tony/NPHET have an anti pub outlook.

    3. Gastropub/European model is what the government are chasing.


  • #8364
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,610 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    1. Government seem to think the pubs are the big bad wolf of Coronavirus.

    2. Tony/NPHET have an anti pub outlook.

    3. Gastropub/European model is what the givernment are chasing.

    So nothing with any basis in reality.


  • #8365
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,766 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    1. Government seem to think the pubs are the big bad wolf of Coronavirus.

    2. Tony/NPHET have an anti pub outlook.

    3. Gastropub/European model is what the government are chasing.

    All well in good but no way do you have to buy food to have a drink anywhere in Europe pre covid


  • #8366
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Where are you getting June from?
    Dickie10 wrote: »
    I presume its April for restaurants and hotels maybe mid june for other pubs that serve only drink.

    pull (something) out of (one's) ass
    vulgar slang To completely fabricate or invent something; to draw something from little or no real evidence, facts, information, etc.


  • #8367
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So nothing with any basis in reality.

    But this explains why the pubs have been lobbying so ineffectively. The customer base is all over the shop. Why would government even bother trying to pander to conspire theorists?

    Looking at the general standard of argument in these threads, I can see why government ignore them and listens to the experts instead.


  • #8368
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,182 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    pull (something) out of (one's) ass
    vulgar slang To completely fabricate or invent something; to draw something from little or no real evidence, facts, information, etc.


    I see one is no longer allowed to think for oneself. Every time someone make a calculated assumption they are making it up.

    We are supposed to receive 50k vaccine doses by end of year and 50-70k/week after that. The Morderna and the Oxford vaccine are coming in stream as well. By mid January we can assume we will be hitting 100k doses a week(I think the EU has contracted for a higher number of Moderna compared to Phizer ). Then the Oxford one will be licenced by End of January and it will be again adding onto supply. There is an expectation that 1-2 more will be licenced I. February.

    Its a good assumptions that there will be 500k vaccinated by mid April and may be more. By May we should be vaccinating 100-200k/ week provided logistics allow it. If it is towards the higher number then reopening of some sort will be happening at that stage.

    I think at this stage government has gone to under promising as there is no political capital in making promises you may not deliver. It is disingenuous to suggest government do not want pubs, clubs, hotels and restaurants open. Every person going back to work is saving them 300/ week, every pub and business reopening is paying vat and employing people.

    Finally if the at risk population , health staff and other at risk frontline staff is vaccinated by late spring reopening is less risky. There is lower spread during summer. We may have to wear masks and socially distance but most of the economy will be open in some form or other. As well colleges start to downscale in April and secondary schools will be closing in June which lowers risk factor.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8369
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    I see one is no longer allowed to think for oneself. Every time someone make a calculated assumption they are making it up.

    He stated it as fact
    Dickie10 wrote: »
    pubs that dont serve food wont open til june


  • #8370
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,182 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    He stated it as fact

    I did not know that I presume was stating something as a fact. I have made presumptions as well. They may be right or wrong. The virus may mutate which may require vaccine providers to adapt there vaccine. This will not take as long as original vaccine production but would slow vacination programs by 3-6 months. But assuming that we will reopen most areas of the economy abeit with limitations by June is a fairly accurate assessment of the way things are going at present

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • #8371
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Cant see pubs opening in 2021 to be honest. Simply by the way they have been treated by the government and NPHET thus far, it seems they will leave it as long as humanly possible to open them.
    For a variety of reasons.

    Never again do I want to hear that the LVA or the publicans hold all the cards, clearly their influence has been moved to the bottom of the totem pole.

    I can see no good reason why the food pubs / restaurants were ever treated differently to the drink only pubs.

    I think the time is ripe for a new political party centred on the interests of the vital SME sector in Ireland to ensure business owners and the self employed aren't routinely shafted by closures, taxation and regulation like they are now.

    Its sick that theres such a disdain for one of Irelands greatest institutions in government and even among some people on this site. The warmth, friendliness and craic of the traditional Irish non-food pub has been and always should be one of the nations proudest attributes


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