Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

PTH2009 · 26-12-2020 01:06PM

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mass-vaccination-and-tentative-return-to-normal-by-next-may-or-june-taoiseach-hopes-39900475.html

You can forget proper pubs opening on St Paddys day or even the june Bank holiday judging by this article.

Not ok with the timeline but I'd take it

Tazz T · 26-12-2020 01:13PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd say some people are in a state of shock today sitting at home today

Aye.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 01:17PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not ok with the timeline but I'd take it

I’d say it’s optimistic. The important thing would be to rollout the vaccine in time to have a real effect on next winter. Otherwise we’ll be back in a similar situation this time next year.

The UK has rolled out hundreds of thousands of vaccines (first of two shots) already. I heard the Irish government is planning to administer 10,000 per week. That’s nowhere near enough - about 1m people after two years.

PommieBast · 26-12-2020 01:27PM

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mass-vaccination-and-tentative-return-to-normal-by-next-may-or-june-taoiseach-hopes-39900475.html

You can forget proper pubs opening on St Paddys day or even the june Bank holiday judging by this article.

I don't think pubs will be allowed to properly reopen until a large portion of under-50s have been vaccinated, and signs are that they won't even get started on that cohort until pretty close to May/June. My guess is pubs (the ones that survive that is) reopening Q4 of 2021.

Bass Reeves · 26-12-2020 01:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’d say it’s optimistic. The important part hung would be to rollout the vaccine in time to have a Tesla effect on next winter. Otherwise we’ll be back in a similar situation this time next year.

The UK has rolled out hundreds of thousands of vaccines (first of two shots) already. I heard the Irish government is planning to administer 10,000 per week. That’s nowhere near enough - about 1m people after two years.

More rubbish. We expect to be getting 10k doses per day by end of first week in January. As other vaccines become available we will double and treble numbers by late January. The UK because it was first off the mark, it had to as it is suffering the most from it mismanagement of the pandemic is getting probably more doses at the start as they are manufactured. As the EU and US regulators have given the on to the vaccine the numbers the UK have access to will decline while we and the rest of the EU ramp up numbers.
Its logistics exercise now

Bass Reeves · 26-12-2020 01:31PM

PommieBast wrote: »

I don't think pubs will be allowed to properly reopen until a large portion of under-50s have been vaccinated, and signs are that they won't even get started on that cohort until pretty close to May/June. My guess is pubs (the ones that survive that is) reopening Q4 of 2021.

When they have the over 70 vaccinated you wl see the economy reopening. As well summer weather reduces it's transmission with outdoor dining and boozing possible. Probably no concerts and limited match attendances but from May on we will see a much more open economy.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 01:39PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

More rubbish. We expect to be getting 10k doses per day by end of first week in January. As other vaccines become available we will double and treble numbers by late January. The UK because it was first off the mark, it had to as it is suffering the most from it mismanagement of the pandemic is getting probably more doses at the start as they are manufactured. As the EU and US regulators have given the on to the vaccine the numbers the UK have access to will decline while we and the rest of the EU ramp up numbers.
Its logistics exercise now

What are your numbers based on?

Stheno · 26-12-2020 01:44PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What are your numbers based on?

Its been widely published that we expect 40k doses of the Pfizer vaccine every week from next week on

hynesie08 · 26-12-2020 01:44PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What are your numbers based on?

30k a week from Pfizer, moderna expected to be approved 1st January with similar numbers, plus a 3rd vaccine expected to be approved before the end of January, might be valentines day but numbers not that far off.....

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 01:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

Its been widely published that we expect 30k doses of the Pfizer vaccine every week from next week on

That’s good news.

Stheno · 26-12-2020 01:45PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s good news.

That was a typo its actually 40k

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 01:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

That was a typo its actually 40k

That’s a third better news.

Stheno · 26-12-2020 01:47PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s a third better news.

We could potentially be getting double that per week from the end of Jan if Moderna and Oxford are approved

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 01:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

We could potentially be getting double that per week from the end of Jan if Moderna and Oxford are approved

“Getting” meaning buying or “getting” meaning administering them to people? I looked at the government strategy and it didn’t have any timescales or expected vaccinations per week.

Stheno · 26-12-2020 01:52PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

“Getting” meaning buying or “getting” meaning administering them to people? I looked at the government strategy and it didn’t have any timescales or expected vaccinations per week.

Getting as in coming into the country

The nursing homes are expected to be done b mid to late Feb along with hospital staff

I don't think they've published anything more as until they know what amounts we get and when they can't really

PTH2009 · 26-12-2020 01:52PM

Will gastropubs/restaurants be permitted to open early 2021 with more of this €9 and time limit stuff

Stheno · 26-12-2020 01:53PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Will gastropubs/restaurants be permitted to open early 2021 with more of this €9 and time limit stuff

I suspect not till after Paddy's day

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 02:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

Getting as in coming into the country

The nursing homes are expected to be done b mid to late Feb along with hospital staff

I don't think they've published anything more as until they know what amounts we get and when they can't really

Yeah fair enough.

There is an advantage to institutions like nursing homes where they have a captive audience. They can vaccinate the complete population in one session. It will be more difficult when it comes to the general population where we’ll rely on people to show up at the appointment and to show up a second time for the second dose.

I’d say next summer will take care of itself like this summer did. I’d say they’re realistically trying to avoid the issues for next winter.

A success would be to have next Christmas with distancing and masks, high numbers of transmissions but low numbers of deaths and not have to lockdown

opinionated3 · 26-12-2020 02:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

I suspect not till after Paddy's day

I'd nearly take that at this stage, and I suspect so too would the publicans,restaurateurs and their employees ( if it was offered to them as a certain date of opening rather than jumping from lockdown to lockdown)

PTH2009 · 26-12-2020 02:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

I suspect not till after Paddy's day

Yeah sadly

All the vintners associations won't put up a fight and challenge it either. Only a few social media posts

YFlyer · 26-12-2020 02:35PM

Are off licences open today?

Stheno · 26-12-2020 02:41PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Are off licences open today?

Yes

YFlyer · 26-12-2020 02:43PM

Stheno wrote: »

Yes

Thanks

saabsaab · 26-12-2020 03:17PM

With new variants appearing and the very real possibility of a vaccine proof variant emerging, if the current vaccine programme doesn't knock it out quickly world wide 2021 could get worse not better.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 04:13PM

saabsaab wrote: »

With new variants appearing and the very real possibility of a vaccine proof variant emerging, if the current vaccine programme doesn't knock it out quickly world wide 2021 could get worse not better.

That’s a possibility. Could certainly be in a similar position this time next year and it might not actually be anyone’s fault.

Could all go to plan and the vaccine could work out great too. But I’d say success re pubs this time next year would be pubs open, distancing, masks, table service and don’t have to lock down.

26-12-2020 04:16PM

saabsaab wrote: »

With new variants appearing and the very real possibility of a vaccine proof variant emerging, if the current vaccine programme doesn't knock it out quickly world wide 2021 could get worse not better.

I was wondering where all the people who revelled in “there might never be a vaccine” were gone.

MOH · 26-12-2020 04:20PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

I'd nearly take that at this stage, and I suspect so too would the publicans,restaurateurs and their employees ( if it was offered to them as a certain date of opening rather than jumping from lockdown to lockdown)

They've had certain dates of opening given to them on multiple occasions at this stage.

There was also a guarantee from Leo that they wouldn't be treated differently and they'd open unless there was a general lockdown keeping everything else closed.

Why should they consider any other pronouncements as reliable at this stage?

dominatinMC · 26-12-2020 04:52PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s a possibility. Could certainly be in a similar position this time next year and it might not actually be anyone’s fault.

Could all go to plan and the vaccine could work out great too. But I’d say success re pubs this time next year would be pubs open, distancing, masks, table service and don’t have to lock down.

If we still have distancing and masks this time next year, the vaccine rollout will not be considered a success

saabsaab · 26-12-2020 04:56PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I was wondering where all the people who revelled in “there might never be a vaccine” were gone.

I wasn't one of them to be fair. Just raising a (bleak) possibility. Hope the vaccine is rolled out hard and fast to knock this thing out before it can adapt.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-12-2020 07:41PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I was wondering where all the people who revelled in “there might never be a vaccine” were gone.

Why? It wasn’t known if there ever would be an effective vaccine. It was a potential outcome. Is the current vaccine a once-and-done job? Or is it likely to need top-ups?

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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