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Brexit issues / bike24.com

  • 22-12-2020 8:57pm
    #1
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    ......basket, 3 products in.

    "Product not shippable to Ireland."

    This has cropped up in the last few days.
    Wha?????

    Brexit spin off?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Brexit

    New strain of Covid

    Boris Johnson, David Cameron among a load of folk to blame.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    PTm7MmBl.jpg

    No?

    Hello.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭letape


    I knew Bike 24 had announced that they were cancelling orders / temporarily ceasing selling to UK due to there being no deal on Brexit. I don’t understand the Irish issue, unless the packages were coming through the UK.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Planet X wrote: »
    ......basket, 3 products in.

    "Product not shippable to Ireland."

    This has cropped up in the last few days.
    Wha?????

    Brexit spin off?

    Was always the case from memory but used to be you could not add it to your basket in the first place. Guessing there are exclusive distribution agreements for some products in some countries.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Got stuff from them a few months ago. Zero issues. Buy regularly from them.

    But this is a first.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Before I check.....are Rose the same anyone know off hand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭letape


    Yep - Rose also cancelling all open orders to the UK

    https://www.bikeradar.com/news/rose-bikes-cancels-uk-orders-brexit/


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭cletus


    Obviously Ireland is not part of the UK. But also obviously, there are issues with Brexit and shipping to Ireland. I can only presume that the shipments travel through England. Is the land bridge equally important both ways?

    *Edit* Actually, is it more likely that Irish orders make up a much smaller percentage of revenue, therefore to make shipment here viable, they are included in UK shipments, and then shipped on from the uk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Had a number of orders from different eu stores cancelled in the last few days, bike discount, bikeinn, bike components


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Think I'll be setting up a parcel wizard type thing from my house in France at the rate this is going


  • Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Is it not to do with the block on movement to and from the that's now basically preventing stuff being shipped on a major freight route?

    Rose always used dhl which I think shipped directly to Ireland but could sometimes take a while longer as they seem to wait til they a fair bit to ship to a particular destination


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    I think the majority of stuff coming to us goes through the UK, certainly anything coming by boat. According to my lorry driving dad there isn't capacity on Ireland - France ferries for extra freight at the moment and it was always quicker and cheaper to go Holyhead, drive to Dover then France/Rotterdam/etc.

    They were gonna put a new line in from Rosslare in case of a no deal Brexit but that didn't happen apparently. I imagine it will now at some point depending on how things go.

    ETA: Those 5+ mile lorry queues aren't helping stuff get through either, I guess places can't guarantee delivery to Ireland right now so are pulling the plug. Hopefully they'll find a way to make it work soon.

    I reckon we're gonna be fcuked for stuff for a wee while anyway :(


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    Oh......Rosslare is go.

    Big time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Went on to Bike24 to order some badly needed tyres last night and had the same issue. Trying to decide whether to order from CR/Wiggle or maybe Amazon - obviously keeping the order under €150.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    C3PO wrote: »
    Went on to Bike24 to order some badly needed tyres last night and had the same issue. Trying to decide whether to order from CR/Wiggle or maybe Amazon - obviously keeping the order under €150.
    Issue with crc/wiggle is that if they aren't dispatched until Jan you could get caught with import tax and duty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Not under €150 I understand?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Had a number of orders from different eu stores cancelled in the last few days, bike discount, bikeinn, bike components

    Ordered some stuff from bike-discount.de over the weekend and got a DPD shipping notice yesterday. When it actually arrives is something else again but will post again when it has. Small enough items so could be taking a different route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    C3PO wrote: »
    Not under €150 I understand?
    RTE News wrote:
    Revenue has outlined the costs which consumers will face after Brexit. Anything priced under €22 will not face any additional import charges. But if goods are valued at more than €22 including shipping, delivery, insurance and handling charges, then VAT will be payable.

    If goods are valued at more than €150, consumers will face not only VAT but also customs duty. The charges will either be applied by the retailer selling the goods, or by authorities here on arrival.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1209/1183380-brexit-charge/

    so no duty up tp 150, but vat over 22. If you pay UK vat you are entitled to reclaim it afaik, but I am not sure what the procedure is for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    lennymc wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1209/1183380-brexit-charge/

    so no duty up tp 150, but vat over 22. If you pay UK vat you are entitled to reclaim it afaik, but I am not sure what the procedure is for this.

    My expectation is that the big UK retailers (CRC, Amazon etc) will continue to charge Irish VAT as they do now. Time will tell but it seems to be the most logical thing for them to do?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    C3PO wrote: »
    My expectation is that the big UK retailers (CRC, Amazon etc) will continue to charge Irish VAT as they do now. Time will tell but it seems to be the most logical thing for them to do?

    who knows, but from 1st July it will be a requirement that third countries charge vat on sales into the EU afaik.

    My understanding is that even if they still charge VAT at pos, there will be a duty charge on the sale, and the duty charge is based on the cumulative cost of product + vat + delivery etc. I think (from memory) that bikes & frames are a 14% duty. So, 1000 bike advertised in the UK, assuming parity with the euro, would cost (((1000/120)*121)*1.14) 1149 euro to an irish.eu customer, assuming free delivery. As a lot of parts are sourced outside of the UK, the euro parity wouldn't be much of a bonus to the consumer, as the cost to manufacturers and suppliers in UK would probably increase as a result of sterling becoming weaker.

    If there are tariffs in a no deal, then other charges could apply. Essentially, the UK is goosed, and i don't see how it will be competitive beyond Jan 1st for bikes and parts.

    Amazon may open an Irish distribution centre, or reroute from one of the European centres - i don't think Uk would be viable for them to serve Ireland, especially with tariffs, and obligation to collect vat & potentially duty etc.
    Amazon info here - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/irish-amazon-customers-warned-of-post-brexit-charges-1.4431172

    in short, brexit is a sh1tshow, and it will impact on the parts & bikes that we can buy. IMHO, YMMV, etc etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Amazon will deduct UK VAT at source and apply ROI VAT for items dispatched to this country. Packages under €150 won't see much change, just the difference between UK and IRL VAT.

    The stinger will come on items that are not VAT-liable in the UK but are here - like helmets

    Hoping that CRC/Wiggle may invest in the ecommerce software required to give us the same service as Amazon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭smalltalk


    Wanted to order some parts from bike components.de but was unable to get them shipped to Ireland at checkout,when I queried this with their help desk this was the reply

    "due to the current health situation on the English islands,
    we do not ship to the English islands. When the situation has been settled,
    we will ship again do the English islands."

    I will be replying immediately with a" 800 years of oppression etc etc"letter to my German friends

    On a serious note are our supply chains this fragile?and how will it effect imports in general in the coming months?
    As someone already posted the ****e show is just beginning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    smalltalk wrote: »
    On a serious note are our supply chains this fragile?and how will it effect imports in general in the coming months?
    As someone already posted the ****e show is just beginning

    much more fragile than most think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭2 Wheels Good


    smacl wrote: »
    Ordered some stuff from bike-discount.de over the weekend and got a DPD shipping notice yesterday. When it actually arrives is something else again but will post again when it has. Small enough items so could be taking a different route.
    Just had a look at a couple of bits I was thinking of getting on bike-discount and Ireland has disappeared from shipping options! Checked Eire, Ireland and Rep Ireland and nothing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    info here...no post from Germany to Ireland: https://www.deutschepost.de/en/c/coronavirus.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Planet X wrote: »
    ......basket, 3 products in.

    "Product not shippable to Ireland."

    This has cropped up in the last few days.
    Wha?????

    Brexit spin off?

    The revenue have copped onto sites like this, they either comply with EU vat laws or they get fined. Brexit is only part of that story. There German company


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    In kind of related news, I ordered contact lenses the other day from Visiondirect.ie, shipped from the UK with DHL and arrived today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭David6330


    Had a bike24 order cancelled too. At first I thought it was to do with the Germany 6 week(?) lockdown.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    We've been excluded from 'bike components. de' also.
    Well, ourselves and the UK has. Everyone one else from Afghanistan to USA is on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭LUKEG2411


    I’ve had the same issues with all the German websites. They said they’ll reassess the delivery situation and possibly add Ireland to the list in the new year.

    All tricks in France is still delivering and I’ve also had packages from Ekoi in France arrive in two days just before Christmas!


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Kevincavan83


    Is chain reaction still taking orders. I have my eye on new wheels and tyres


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Heard (anecdotally from a German seller on a non-bike-related site) that the German to UK/Ireland postal services will resume after Jan 2, so expect that cycling shops over there will restart shipping here soon after


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭GlennaMaddy


    Bikeinn (spain) and mantell (Netherlands) are my go to euro bike shops now. Doubt I'll order from Wiggle/CRC, PlanetX or even Galibier now with the risk of suprise duties being levied


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Bikeinn (spain) and mantell (Netherlands) are my go to euro bike shops now. Doubt I'll order from Wiggle/CRC, PlanetX or even Galibier now with the risk of suprise duties being levied

    Can't imagine there being a problem with Galibier, they have an office in Omeath, Co. Louth. I think the owner actually lives in Omeath.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Can't imagine there being a problem with Galibier, they have an office in Omeath, Co. Louth. I think the owner actually lives in Omeath.

    And the (new economic) border is in the Irish Sea....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Bikeinn (spain) and mantell (Netherlands) are my go to euro bike shops now. Doubt I'll order from Wiggle/CRC, PlanetX or even Galibier now with the risk of suprise duties being levied

    northern ireland is treated as EU so if you buy from chain reaction its like buying from germany

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/index.aspx

    Unlike Great Britain (UK not including Northern Ireland (NI)), NI will be treated as an EU Member State in terms of the movement of goods.


  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    EDit wrote: »
    Heard (anecdotally from a German seller on a non-bike-related site) that the German to UK/Ireland postal services will resume after Jan 2, so expect that cycling shops over there will restart shipping here soon after

    Confirmed on German Post website (resumption of services on Jan 2)

    https://www.deutschepost.de/en/c/coronavirus.html#irland


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Max Q


    peter kern wrote: »
    northern ireland is treated as EU so if you buy from chain reaction its like buying from germany

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/index.aspx

    Unlike Great Britain (UK not including Northern Ireland (NI)), NI will be treated as an EU Member State in terms of the movement of goods.

    Can anyone confirm this re ordering from Chain Reaction? I believe they were originally an NI business but are now owned by Wiggle registered in Hampshire, GB.
    Chain Reaction Cycles and CRC are trading names of Wiggle Ltd registered in the United Kingdom at 1000 Lakeside, Suite 310, Third Floor, N E Wing, Portsmouth, Hampshire, PO6 3EN / Company No: 02667809 / VAT No: GB884 2571 94


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Max Q wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm this re ordering from Chain Reaction? I believe they were originally an NI business but are now owned by Wiggle registered in Hampshire, GB.

    if they send from office in northern ireland ie chain reaction than all the formalities have been dealt with before it enters their warehouse and shipping is treated like from eu.


    For goods travelling from Northern Ireland, as part of the Northern Ireland Protocol and Withdrawal Agreement, for the vast majority of goods travelling from Northern Ireland to Great Britain, no customs formalities will be required from January 1st 2021. This means DPD Ireland will NOT ask for any customs details from you for your goods travelling from NI to GB, ROI or EU.

    if it helps i got a delivery from CR today from northern ireland i had ordered on the 24th.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    Email from crc just now:

    UPDATE ON BREXIT AND YOUR ORDERS

    As the UK Government has now approved the trade deal agreed with the EU - the terms within it will come into effect from 11pm on Thursday 31st December. This means there will be new regulations governing shipments between the United Kingdom and the EU, including the Republic of Ireland.

    We would like to reassure you that we are working to minimise any disruption to customers, including:


    • Ensuring no additional customs charges will be due as your order arrives in the Republic of Ireland, as all taxes and duties are already included in the price. The price you see is the price you will pay.

    • Making sure any changes to normal delivery times will be transparent and shown throughout the check-out process.

    • Where possible, providing a range of delivery options, although these may fluctuate whilst we work through any initial disruption.

    • Keeping our current 365 day returns policy unchanged.

    If you would like any further information, please view our delivery FAQs

    We'd also like to take this opportunity to say thank you for continuing to shop with us at Chain Reaction Cycles.

    Happy New Year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Flaccus


    CRC are taking orders and sent me an email to say that vat and duty will be included in prices from 11pm tonight.

    <edit> Sorry, never read the post above </edit>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    Flaccus wrote: »
    CRC are taking orders and sent me an email to say that vat and duty will be included in prices from 11pm tonight.

    <edit> Sorry, never read the post above </edit>

    Be interesting to see the pre and post duty prices on things...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭ridelikeaturtle


    I ordered a few things at 3pm from CRC (wiggle, same thing), got free shipping etc.

    Might be my last order for a while.


  • Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I ordered a few things at 3pm from CRC (wiggle, same thing), got free shipping etc.

    Might be my last order for a while.

    Crc are n. Ireland so.shoukd be okay. They sent an email update earlier


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Planet X


    .....successfully ordered from CR.
    :pac::pac::pac::pac:


    Wanted one for a long time. That or a Surly Lowside or Karate Monkey SS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭Max Q


    I think it comes down to where CRC ship the items from? My concern is that due to the Wiggle takeover the headoffice is registered in mainland GB and from an article I found it appears CRC's warehousing has been combined with Wiggle in Wolverhampton.
    Those “synergies” include, as previously announced, CRC’s warehousing facilities in Belfast being relocated to Wolverhampton to bring all of the group’s logistics and distribution functions together at one site.
    https://road.cc/content/news/230058-local-bike-shops-look-away-now-reports-worsening-losses-wiggle-are-exaggerated

    The email quoted by a previous poster said CRC were 'working hard to ensure' - that doesn't sound definitive. I put in an order with CRC yesterday so it'll be interesting to see where it ships from as I've never bothered looking at the postmarks previously on CRC packaging to see where it originated from.


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭smalltalk


    Bike-components.de have accepted my order and Ireland was reinstated to the drop-down destination menu:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    crc accepted an order from me a couple of days ago for a wheel and disc brake. hasn't arrived yet !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    crc accepted an order from me a couple of days ago for a wheel and disc brake. hasn't arrived yet !

    Same here, saying it's shipped and have fastway number but no updates on fastway tracker. Fast way are utterly ****e though so could be that.


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