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Daroxtar

Mantel are delivering, no problem with UPS. Ordered a cassette this day last week and it's just after arriving.

breezy1985

Does anyone know if I will get a tax bill if I order from CRC, Wiggle or Evans and have they sorted the delivery problems?

Or is there any good sites in the EU for buying clothing?

jrby

La passione. Got some tops and bib shorts. Arrived fairly quickly, just over a week.

burger1979

jrby wrote: »

La passione. Got some tops and bib shorts. Arrived fairly quickly, just over a week.

have you gotten their gear before? whats is like? Was looking at their site and some of the jerseys are nice.

GlennaMaddy

breezy1985 wrote: »

Does anyone know if I will get a tax bill if I order from CRC, Wiggle or Evans and have they sorted the delivery problems?

Or is there any good sites in the EU for buying clothing?

CRCWiggle are absorbing costs. Mantel, Deporvillage and Alltricks have decent clothing range, but try cycletribe.ie first, as clothes seems to be their thing.
Delays are worse from UK but there are also delays from EU. Galibier and Victorychimp are in NI btw

ednwireland

got a delivery from epic bleed solutions ordered on the 14 jan arrived on 18 th jan

breezy1985

Thanks I'll give them all a look.
Already found some retro team caps on bike24 that caught my eye

G1032

G1032 wrote: »

Since Brexit I've had inner gear cables and DA housing ordered from England.
I had Jagwire cable liners ordered from England.
I had a top ordered from Victory Chimp.
I've had BB bearings ordered from England.
I had a few bits ordered from CRC on Dec 31st.

All these have arrived safe and sound with no taxes.

On Jan 4th I placed an order with CSS. It's the only order I've placed since Brexit that hasn't arrived. The only order I placed with an Irish shop. Why bother trying to support local when that's the service offered. Mailed them this morning asking for a refund and to cancel the order altogether. Needless to say I got no reply.

I contacted CSS again today. They replied telling me that they don't know when the Shimano order will be in. Order has been cancelled now and I've been refunded.

S_D

Ordered from sigma sports and they sorted all the fee's. much cheaper to buy from there over any of the other online shops for shoes! cant argue with that

CramCycle

How are CRC absorbing costs, are they paying revenue directly or are they getting there courier to send back the costs to them. Seems very odd, once it goes over 150€ they have to pay custom duty. I presume that's why they have stopped selling bikes to us so as to avoid dumping tax.

sy_flembeck

burger1979 wrote: »

have you gotten their gear before? whats is like? Was looking at their site and some of the jerseys are nice.

I have heaps of it here. Very high quality gear. Always quick deliveries too. Once I think I got it next day from Italy.

prunudo

G1032 wrote: »

I contacted CSS again today. They replied telling me that they don't know when the Shimano order will be in. Order has been cancelled now and I've been refunded.

Not excusing them but to be fair there could something in this. I've been tracking shimano parts on bike discount and they've been constantly saying 'due in six 6 weeks' the last 3 months or more.

Mr. Cats

prunudo wrote: »

Not excusing them but to be fair there could something in this. I've been tracking shimano parts on bike discount and they've been constantly saying 'due in six 6 weeks' the last 3 months or more.

Some opinion here that supply chain issues due to last a while yet...

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/opinion-analysis/2020/12/16/down-under-prediction-2021-bike-supply-which-probably-applies-here-well

GlennaMaddy

CramCycle wrote: »

How are CRC absorbing costs, are they paying revenue directly or are they getting there courier to send back the costs to them. Seems very odd, once it goes over 150€ they have to pay custom duty. I presume that's why they have stopped selling bikes to us so as to avoid dumping tax.

They are paying IE vat, I haven't ordered anything over 150 so dont know, but they were interviewed by bikeradar or roadcc and they said they were covering costs so the consumer wouldn't be hit with surprises.

MojoMaker

That's fine as long as they're deducting UK VAT. I assume they are.

Some places are not however, so the potential for VAT being applied twice is very real.

GlennaMaddy

MojoMaker wrote: »

That's fine as long as they're deducting UK VAT. I assume they are.

Some places are not however, so the potential for VAT being applied twice is very real.

They are deducting the IE vat and paying it to Revenue. The larger retailers are doing this years for most EU and non-EU countries

CramCycle

prunudo wrote: »

Not excusing them but to be fair there could something in this. I've been tracking shimano parts on bike discount and they've been constantly saying 'due in six 6 weeks' the last 3 months or more.

My understanding is Shmano are not expanding their production facilities but are cutting down internally to comply with Covid restrictions for the safety of their workers, which means that we have less Shimano components being made, and have been this way for many months, alongside the increased demand, this will quite likely last quite some time. I heard one source site a capacity of about 50% of previous years.

tunney

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

They are deducting the IE vat and paying it to Revenue. The larger retailers are doing this years for most EU and non-EU countries

but the import duty on greater than e150 items?

GlennaMaddy

tunney wrote: »

but the import duty on greater than e150 items?

Yep, although I had a few items on CRC wishlist that have gone up in price this week, 1700 wheelset is now 2005, so its not quite 'absorbing', but at least the price you see (after selecting your country) is what you pay

Seth Brundle

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Yep, although I had a few items on CRC wishlist that have gone up in price this week, 1700 wheelset is now 2005, so its not quite 'absorbing', but at least the price you see (after selecting your country) is what you pay

yeah, no - I won't pay!

Mr. Cats

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Yep, although I had a few items on CRC wishlist that have gone up in price this week, 1700 wheelset is now 2005, so its not quite 'absorbing', but at least the price you see (after selecting your country) is what you pay

They haven’t been the price leader for a while from what I can see. As it’s all about price with the online discounters, and with Brexit making them less competitive for anything over 150 euro, this will hit their EU sales hard.

CramCycle

As an aside, and knowing that it would be a while before many of us could go, how do you order into the B+M CRC shop in Belfast. Do they have an email or take phone calls. Just thinking for the price difference, you would be better taking the day and going up for a day trip.

velo.2010

^^^
It'll be interesting to see how things pan out for Shimano parts. They're celebrating 100 years this year, have just been announced as new service suppport for the Tour/ASO events, and it's expected that we'll see a new Dura Ace groupset launched before July.

It would be somewhat ironic if they had a ready supply of new, expensive Dura Ace and a shortage of the cheaper parts and groupsets. It was the other way round with the last iteration of DA.

Bambaata

Covid and Brexit have been a perfect storm to feck with my new build! Have a new frame sitting a few months now waiting on Di2 parts to become available and as above seems that there wont be any Shimano parts for a good while! Ive also been tracking bike-discount and had emailed them but they say the 6 weeks thing is to mean there will be no update for at least 6 weeks, not that they will have stock in 6 week! Ive been tracking them since November

ednwireland

CramCycle wrote: »

As an aside, and knowing that it would be a while before many of us could go, how do you order into the B+M CRC shop in Belfast. Do they have an email or take phone calls. Just thinking for the price difference, you would be better taking the day and going up for a day trip.

reading the cycling weekly article on brexit effects and the origin of goods rule where if its less 45% eu origin even if it comes in form the eu its going to be charged at 14% import duty. looks like most bike shops are expecting a 10 -20% price hike once existing stock is cleared

Macy0161

MojoMaker wrote: »

That's fine as long as they're deducting UK VAT. I assume they are.

Some places are not however, so the potential for VAT being applied twice is very real.

Planetx I think I saw somewhere aren't deducting UK VAT. So if you order a bike from them, a fair whack extra.

joey100

Ordered disc brake rotors from Mantel at 10 this morning, just got an email to say they have been shipped. Hopefully delivery doesn't take too long but can't argue with that so far. Mantel just got in some disc brake rotors if anyone is looking, been looking myself for around a month now and no where had them in stock.

breezy1985

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

CRCWiggle are absorbing costs. Mantel, Deporvillage and Alltricks have decent clothing range, but try cycletribe.ie first, as clothes seems to be their thing.
Delays are worse from UK but there are also delays from EU. Galibier and Victorychimp are in NI btw

Great shout. Arrived in 2 days

G1032

prunudo wrote: »

Not excusing them but to be fair there could something in this. I've been tracking shimano parts on bike discount and they've been constantly saying 'due in six 6 weeks' the last 3 months or more.

Only seeing this now. Am, the issue I had wasn't that there was a delay with the delivery as such. It was that they had the part listed as in stock when I ordered it. 2 weeks later they told me they don't know when they'll have it in stock...........
As it happens, I was talking to a work colleague and he had an old 5800 FD which he's given me. So it worked out well in the end.

Seve OB

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

CRCWiggle are absorbing costs. Mantel, Deporvillage and Alltricks have decent clothing range, but try cycletribe.ie first, as clothes seems to be their thing.
Delays are worse from UK but there are also delays from EU. Galibier and Victorychimp are in NI btw

CramCycle wrote: »

How are CRC absorbing costs, are they paying revenue directly or are they getting there courier to send back the costs to them. Seems very odd, once it goes over 150€ they have to pay custom duty. I presume that's why they have stopped selling bikes to us so as to avoid dumping tax.

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

They are paying IE vat, I haven't ordered anything over 150 so dont know, but they were interviewed by bikeradar or roadcc and they said they were covering costs so the consumer wouldn't be hit with surprises.

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

They are deducting the IE vat and paying it to Revenue. The larger retailers are doing this years for most EU and non-EU countries

It has been a law for as long as i know that any company who supplies goods direct to Ireland over the threshold of about €30k per year must charge Irish VAT.

Anyway, I want to order something from Chain Reaction which has just come into stock. Value is €107. Can't seem to source anywhere else except the LBS who want almost double the price.
I'm just wondering what the story is with Brexit now and if I am likely to be hit with some kind of an excise duty or import charge. I see above that orders under €150 should be OK, but I'm a skeptic!

Has anyone actually ordered from Chain Reaction since Brexit?

CramCycle

Seve OB wrote: »

It has been a law for as long as i know that any company who supplies goods direct to Ireland over the threshold of about €30k per year must charge Irish VAT.

Anyway, I want to order something from Chain Reaction which has just come into stock. Value is €107. Can't seem to source anywhere else except the LBS who want almost double the price.
I'm just wondering what the story is with Brexit now and if I am likely to be hit with some kind of an excise duty or import charge. I see above that orders under €150 should be OK, but I'm a skeptic!

Has anyone actually ordered from Chain Reaction since Brexit?

You will be fine, CRC have confirmed by email to customers that the price you pay is the price you pay, no extra duties at the door. This said you will still have to deal with Fastway but that's the only downside.

Seve OB

CramCycle wrote: »

You will be fine, CRC have confirmed by email to customers that the price you pay is the price you pay, no extra duties at the door. This said you will still have to deal with Fastway but that's the only downside.

Thanks .
Order placed just there. I’m in no rush.

Never realised till just there that CRC are part of Wiggle.

Masala

So .... do ye reckon that I good to buy €50 worth of stuff from Wiggle.co.uk without getting hit for Vat at 21% on delivery. So what I pay online is covering all costs of importing to Ireland??

Seve OB

Well I’ll keep you posted on mine. Shipped today apparently

CramCycle

Masala wrote: »

So .... do ye reckon that I good to buy €50 worth of stuff from Wiggle.co.uk without getting hit for Vat at 21% on delivery. So what I pay online is covering all costs of importing to Ireland??

Yep, that's what they have said

S_D

Sigma sports absorbing costs! ordered shoes 330 quid - delivered quickly - no issues

G1032

S_D wrote: »

Sigma sports absorbing costs! ordered shoes 330 quid - delivered quickly - no issues

Ya. I was on the online chat with them yesterday. Looking for Spatz Roadman overshoes. They said they'll be back in stock in 3 weeks and there'll be no vat charged on delivery.

macapaca

Have had few deliveries finally arrived over last 2wks, CRC, Merlin, Deportvillage, Alltricks and Starbike. No charges lamped on thankfully from the UK sourced (CRC and Merlin). Dunno if that’s luck or what though.

MojoMaker

S_D wrote: »

Sigma sports absorbing costs! ordered shoes 330 quid - delivered quickly - no issues

Just to be clear, nobody is 'absorbing' costs, they are 'including' costs

Seve OB

MojoMaker wrote: »

Just to be clear, nobody is 'absorbing' costs, they are 'including' costs

How is it any different? Unless they have stuck the prices of the items up by the increased taxes they are absorbing....... but can they really do that because they ship a small percentage of their sales to EU

iwillhtfu

Seve OB wrote: »

How is it any different? Unless they have stuck the prices of the items up by the increased taxes they are absorbing....... but can they really do that because they ship a small percentage of their sales to EU

I'd imagine if you were buying in the UK there'd be a marked difference in pricing. I can't see it being long before CRC/Wiggle set up a European trading base, I'm sure it's an absolute head ache for them.

Seth Brundle

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I'd imagine if you were buying in the UK there'd be a marked difference in pricing. I can't see it being long before CRC/Wiggle set up a European trading base, I'm sure it's an absolute head ache for them.

Did they not have a base or something in NI?

iwillhtfu

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Did they not have a base or something in NI?

They have a store front but I think everything is shipped in from the UK since they closed the warehouses a couple of years ago. A poor oversight on their part I'd have thought and I recall there was local outrage over it.

CramCycle

MojoMaker wrote: »

Just to be clear, nobody is 'absorbing' costs, they are 'including' costs

Indeed but one is a better marketing word than the other.

Seve OB wrote: »

How is it any different? Unless they have stuck the prices of the items up by the increased taxes they are absorbing....... but can they really do that because they ship a small percentage of their sales to EU

That's exactly what they do, it is why if you try and buy from them but have left the country as somewhere else or your cookies don't auto identify you as being in Ireland, the price changes as soon as you put in the delivery address. Wiggle has done this for years before Brexit, and you could get different prices by switching the location button at the top. They used to reason it was a currency differential but that wasn't true. CRC went downhill once they transferred over fully to Wiggle and got rid of the warehouse and customer service team up north. It took a few years but it is what it is. Wiggle having bought out their main local competition at the time quickly went down the same route, a bit quicker and traded on their name. Unless you are in a rush (which they ruined by changing from An Post to Fastway), it is always better to order from the continent or an LBS IMO.

lennymc

I have to say, Brexit, for all it's downsides, has saved me a fortune. pre Brexit, I would randomly browse the various cycling sites and amazon a couple of times a week, see something shiny and impulsively buy it. All that stopped since Jan 1.....

Fann Linn

lennymc wrote: »

I have to say, Brexit, for all it's downsides, has saved me a fortune. pre Brexit, I would randomly browse the various cycling sites and amazon a couple of times a week, see something shiny and impulsively buy it. All that stopped since Jan 1.....

Same here. Haven't bothered with Amazon since Jan 1 and I've unsubscribed from most if not all UK retailers. If I need anything now I'll go to EU sites but only if neccessary rather than the previous impulse purchases.

Macy0161

Amazon has been fine for me. Any delays at the turn of the year seem to have gone. Stuff I ordered on Tuesday last week, arrived on Friday, after originally giving a "delivery by" of the 5th Feb.

But I've also unsubscribed from most other UK sites.

dahat

Ordered chamois cream through CRC which is now €2 cheaper per container since Brexit. Delivery eta of 8 days which is fair.

Seth Brundle

Got an email from Stolen Goat cycling clothing this morning to inform me that, until further notice, they are not shipping to EU customers...

Well, we stuck it out longer than many other small UK based businesses, but it is with a heavy heart that we have now (temporarily) decided to turn off shipping to EU customers.

There is currently just too much bureaucracy and red tape involved and the worst of it is that all the fees involved are being charged to the end customer – you guys. This then reflects badly on us and ultimately a lot of customers are understandably refusing the packages. So we’re paying in both directions with no upside.

So long but not farewell //
We see this as a short gap in our relationship, it’s definitely not forever and we are already working on solutions to make this as pain free as possible for you guys. Bear with us, we are a small business so we don’t have unlimited resources but we will get there as quickly as we can.

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What about me… I live in the EU and I really, really want something…?
If you’re in the EU (congratulations) and there’s something you really want and you accept that your package will probably be delayed and come loaded with import duties and fees then feel free to get in touch (help@stolengoat.com) and we will work something out with you on a one to one basis.

Many thanks for your patience from all of us at SG

Tim x

https://stolengoat.com/2021/01/a-notice-to-our-eu-customers/?mc_cid=ff989aa3c0&mc_eid=cfcb50e68d

sparrowcar

Waiting on a shipment of spd shoes from SportOkay in Austria since the 2nd Jan. Tracking shows its at the airport in Austria since 12th Jan.
I bet its stuck in the UK somewhere if I was a betting man.