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The Vaccine

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  • #1652
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    From more reputable sources than you got your information. As in, actually scientists and medical practitioners. Not some junkie on parler.

    Yea that's fair enough, any links so I can get a read of them?


  • #1653
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    Hancock ordered an urgent review into how deaths were being counted in England. I wasn't told that by a shyster. Professor Carl Heneghan co-authored an article about the 28 day farce. I can provide links tomorrow.

    We're not vulnerable. We've just come to terms with the fact that we've been had. We don't like it, but there's not a lot we can do about it. It's lazy to throw out the "YouTube video" argument. There are plenty of mainstream media articles about the PCR test not being fit for purpose (there was one in the New York Times a few months ago) and the case in Portugal. No Bitchute, no shysters. All mainstream articles.

    Nonsense. WHO guidance, which we are all following, explicitly states that covid reported deaths must be from deaths due to covid and not other issues.

    The PCR test is not infallible but it is it is perfectly suited to a controlled laboratory environment.

    You've been had by shysters. You have done no research on the lunatics whose claims you blindly believe.


  • #1654
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    Yea that's fair enough, any links so I can get a read of them?

    Every single vaccine paper. You made the claim, you get to back it up first. You won't be able to. Your claim is the usual conspiracy farcical nonsense.


  • #1655
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Every single vaccine paper. You made the claim, you get to back it up first. You won't be able to. Your claim is the usual conspiracy farcical nonsense.

    I'm not backing up anything just not sure about taking a rushed vaccine, ur the one that knows all the facts not me,but u don't know where u got the facts?


  • #1656
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    I'm not backing up anything just not sure about taking a rushed vaccine, ur the one that knows all the facts not me,but u don't know where u got the facts?

    Again, more conspiracy nonsense. The vaccine wasn't rushed. It skipped funding stages.

    As usual when called on it conspiracy theorists refuse to show any evidence of their outlandish claims.


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  • #1657
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Nonsense. WHO guidance, which we are all following, explicitly states that covid reported deaths must be from deaths due to covid and not other issues.

    The PCR test is not infallible but it is it is perfectly suited to a controlled laboratory environment.

    You've been had by shysters. You have done no research on the lunatics whose claims you blindly believe.

    So why did Hancock order an urgent review into the way covid deaths were being counted after Professor Heneghan wrote about the 28 day farce?

    I'll provide the links tomorrow. And they'll be links to mainstream articles. I can't post links until tomorrow.

    Can you name the "lunatics" whose claims I blindly believe? It's news to me that there are lunatics out there whose claims I believe.


  • #1658
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Again, more conspiracy nonsense. The vaccine wasn't rushed. It skipped funding stages.

    As usual when called on it conspiracy theorists refuse to show any evidence of their outlandish claims.

    Ok how long do vaccines usually be tested for?


  • #1659
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    So why did Hancock order an urgent review into the way covid deaths were being counted after Professor Heneghan wrote about the 28 day farce?

    I'll provide the links tomorrow. And they'll be links to mainstream articles. I can't post links until tomorrow.

    Can you name the "lunatics" whose claims I blindly believe? It's news to me that there are lunatics out there whose claims I believe.

    I'll provide proof later. The mating call of the grifter.


  • #1660
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Nonsense. WHO guidance, which we are all following, explicitly states that covid reported deaths must be from deaths due to covid and not other issues.

    The PCR test is not infallible but it is it is perfectly suited to a controlled laboratory environment.

    You've been had by shysters. You have done no research on the lunatics whose claims you blindly believe.

    So why did Hancock order an urgent review into the way covid deaths were being counted after Professor Heneghan wrote about the 28 day farce?

    I'll provide the links tomorrow. And they'll be links to mainstream articles. I can't post links until tomorrow.

    Can you name the "lunatics" whose claims I blindly believe? It's news to me that there are lunatics out there whose claims I believe.


  • #1661
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    Ok how long do vaccines usually be tested for?

    Do your own research. Is that not your motto? Just remember bitchute isn't research.


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  • #1662
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Do your own research. Is that not your motto? Just remember bitchute isn't research.

    Sorry just taught u knew all the answerers, seems not


  • #1663
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    Ok how long do vaccines usually be tested for?

    They key dates are 2 days, 2 weeks and 2 months. Most issues occur during that time.


  • #1664
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    Sorry just taught u knew all the answerers, seems not

    Sorry, thought you were genuine. Seems not. You are very transparent.


  • #1665
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Sorry, thought you were genuine. Seems not. You are very transparent.

    I am genuine, I'm not sure about taking a rushed vaccine, I don't read any anti vaccine stuff on the net or utube,you seem to insult people so I doubt you can back up half the stuff u say


  • #1666
    PHG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭PHG


    Quiner wrote: »
    A technocratic hell with health passports, no freedom, mass surveillance etc.

    Health Passport - You already need vaccination to go to Asia , South America etc, how does this cause even the slightest bit added work? Travelling to poorer nations and transmitting the virus could have catastrophic effects as they will be slow to get the vaccine.

    Mass Surveillance - Hope this isn't referring to the chip crap. If you were to be watched, there is enough in your phone without anything else. Is your life genuinely that interesting that anyone really cares? A lot of self importance and narcissism from people who think like that.

    Freedom - No idea here.

    Honestly, these conspiracy theorists have some amount of self importance its shocking. Nobody gives a toss about what you do or who you are, it is that simple. Wouldnt be surprised if a few of the commentators in here are flat eathers at this rate.


  • #1667
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    I am genuine, I'm not sure about taking a rushed vaccine, I don't read any anti vaccine stuff on the net or utube,you seem to insult people so I doubt you can back up half the stuff u say

    I don't believe you. Everything I have said is grounded in science. You made the claim. Back it up or admit you are obfusticating.


  • #1668
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    I don't believe you. Everything I have said is grounded in science. You made the claim. Back it up or admit you are obfusticating.

    Jesus,I said you seem to know ur stuff
    All I said was I found it hard to believe no vaccine has had no long term effects
    After 2 months as you said,and could you send me links to ur stats so I could read them,but u just started insulting me


  • #1669
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    I'll provide proof later. The mating call of the grifter.

    You don't seem to want to answer the question about the urgent review Hancock ordered.

    I can't provide links until tomorrow as I am a new member.

    Still waiting for you to name the "lunatics".

    Or are you just going to continue with the grifter stuff no matter what I write?


  • #1670
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    Jesus,I said you seem to know ur stuff
    All I said was I found it hard to believe no vaccine has had no long term effects
    After 2 months as you said,and could you send me links to ur stats so I could read them,but u just started insulting me
    The only thing I insulted is bad science and alt site shysters. If you really want to find out the data on vaccines and the issues that occur then go read the vaccine thread.

    But again I don't believe you are being honest. No one has claimed that vaccines cannot have long term effects.


  • #1671
    Mrtm17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mrtm17


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    The only thing I insulted is bad science and alt site shysters. If you really want to find out the data on vaccines and the issues that occur then go read the vaccine thread.

    But again I don't believe you are being honest. No one has claimed that vaccines cannot have long term effects.

    Ok I'll have a look,just taught u might share where you got ur stats


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  • #1672
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    You don't seem to want to answer the question about the urgent review Hancock ordered.

    I can't provide links until tomorrow as I am a new member.

    Still waiting for you to name the "lunatics".

    Or are you just going to continue with the grifter stuff no matter what I write?

    Is that the urgent review 5 months ago? WHO guidance is very clear about not misreporting covid deaths. Maybe the UK ****ed it up, they have ****ed a lot of stuff up. That's not a conspiracy. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

    Anyone that says this pandemic is a scam is a lunatic.


  • #1673
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    PHG wrote: »
    Health Passport - You already need vaccination to go to Asia , South America etc, how does this cause even the slightest bit added work? Travelling to poorer nations and transmitting the virus could have catastrophic effects as they will be slow to get the vaccine.

    Mass Surveillance - Hope this isn't referring to the chip crap. If you were to be watched, there is enough in your phone without anything else. Is your life genuinely that interesting that anyone really cares? A lot of self importance and narcissism from people who think like that.

    Freedom - No idea here.

    Honestly, these conspiracy theorists have some amount of self importance its shocking. Nobody gives a toss about what you do or who you are, it is that simple. Wouldnt be surprised if a few of the commentators in here are flat eathers at this rate.

    Two different things. There's a huge difference between proof of vaccination for international travel, which I do not have that much of a problem with as there is a precedent for it with the yellow fever vaccine, and the green, orange and red traffic light system that Health Passport Ireland is based on. If people don't think there's a difference between the two then I can't do much about that. A health passport would lock the "unhealthy" out of society and require Irish people to potentially spend the rest of their lives getting tested. I have asked if people would be prepared to live in a society like that. No one has answered the question. The only responses I got were "it's crazy" and "maybe you're imagining it". But I would like an answer to the question "would you be happy living in a Health Passport Ireland Ireland in which a green light would be required to do all of the things mentioned in the Health Passport Ireland promo video as potential places the passport could be used for (shop, restaurant, football stadium, cinema, hospital, work)?". My answer to the question is that I would not be prepared to live in such a society. What's your answer?

    By mass surveillance I mean being watched while at work, as suggested as a possibility by Schwab in his book 'The Great Reset'.

    And we currently have very little freedom.

    So an answer to that question would be great.


  • #1674
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Is that the urgent review 5 months ago? WHO guidance is very clear about not misreporting covid deaths. Maybe the UK ****ed it up, they have ****ed a lot of stuff up. That's not a conspiracy. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

    Anyone that says this pandemic is a scam is a lunatic.

    The very one. So would you agree with me that the coviddeath count up to the review was inflated since it included people that died of any cause within 28 days of testing positive for covid?

    So you can't name them. I'm curious to know who they are. I don't remember watching any lunatics. Maybe you mean Dr Vernon Coleman, who has described the covid pandemic as "the hoax of the century". But I never said I agreed with him. I just mentioned a video he made about the plan, as he sees it, to abolish private property so that people could discuss it.


  • #1675
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Mrtm17 wrote: »
    I am genuine, I'm not sure about taking a rushed vaccine, I don't read any anti vaccine stuff on the net or utube,you seem to insult people so I doubt you can back up half the stuff u say

    Why do you think the vaccine was rushed?

    Most vaccines take years but that’s not because they have to be. It’s because you need thousands of people for the trials. It can take years to achieve that. Also vaccines aren’t as profitable as you’d think given the research costs. Along comes covid and governments are funding research and suddenly we have millions of people who are potential trial patients.


    Most vaccines have 5,000 to 8,000 test patients by the time they reach stage 3. Pfizer had 43,000 test patients.

    This could possibly be the safest vaccine in the history of vaccines.


  • #1676
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    The very one. So would you agree with me that the coviddeath count up to the review was inflated since it included people that died of any cause within 28 days of testing positive for covid?

    So you can't name them. I'm curious to know who they are. I don't remember watching any lunatics. Maybe you mean Dr Vernon Coleman, who has described the covid pandemic as "the hoax of the century". But I never said I agreed with him. I just mentioned a video he made about the plan, as he sees it, to abolish private property so that people could discuss it.

    Do you mean the discredited conspiracy theorist Vernon Coleman? Why mention him if you dont agree with him, he's a fruitcake.


  • #1677
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Do you mean the discredited conspiracy theorist Vernon Coleman? Why mention him if you dont agree with him, he's a fruitcake.

    Discredited according to whom? Wikipedia and the factcheckers?


  • #1678
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    Discredited according to whom? Wikipedia and the factcheckers?

    No, I mean the guy discredited by other scientists. But you just pick people, however mental, that already agree with your 'theories'.


  • #1679
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    A german doctor has suggested that anti-vaxxers should forego ventilators.

    "A German geneticist has said those who turn down the new COVID-19 vaccine should carry a note also refusing intensive care treatment. He also said medical decisions should not be left to conspiracy theorists."

    ""Whoever wants to refuse the vaccination outright, he should, please also always carry a document with the inscription: 'I don't want to be vaccinated!'" Wolfram Henn, a human geneticist, told Bild on Saturday. "I want to leave the protection against the disease to others! I want, if I get sick, to leave my intensive care bed and ventilator to others.""
    https://www.dw.com/en/anti-vaxxers-should-forgo-ventilators-german-doctor-says/a-55996805

    Some of these people are getting pissed off with all this nonsense.


  • #1680
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Quiner wrote: »
    So why did Hancock order an urgent review into the way covid deaths were being counted after Professor Heneghan wrote about the 28 day farce?

    I'll provide the links tomorrow. And they'll be links to mainstream articles. I can't post links until tomorrow.

    Can you name the "lunatics" whose claims I blindly believe? It's news to me that there are lunatics out there whose claims I believe.

    You have reached the 50 post threshold to post links.

    No need to stall on providing them now.


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  • #1681
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    You have reached the 50 post threshold to post links.

    No need to stall on providing them now.

    Thanks. I've provided a few links and will provide a few more.

    Can you answer my question about living in a green, orange and red traffic light Ireland?

    The question: "Would you be happy living in a country where going to the shop, to a restaurant, to a football stadium, a concert, the hospital, the local GP surgery, to an airport, and to the office was only possible if the light on your Health passport Ireland Ireland app on your phone flashed green?"

    Forget about whether it could or couldn't happen. It's a hypothetical scenario based on the promo video for Health Passport Ireland which describes how "we can all use Health Passport Ireland in many ways, such as travel, hospitality, education, health care, construction, offices, entertainment, visits and much, much more" (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM)

    So a simple "I would" or "I wouldn't" will suffice.

    I've asked the question a couple of times now and it has yet to be answered.


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