The Vaccine

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Your mixing me up with the poster above yours

Another silly quip and no, you've dodged a lot of my questions. I've lost count at this stage. If you have a genuine interest in the subject then that attitude makes zero sense.

It's straightforward:

How many have died in total as a result of Covid? please back up your figures with proper sources (search engine result dumps don't count)

How many will die from Covid vaccines? give an estimate (e.g. over the next year)

runawaybishop

enno99 wrote: »

Even if it was only inflated by the 2 I mentioned
its inflated and your wrong again

My mate Dave died of covid but they put it down as a car crash, so them numbers are actually suppressed.

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Even if it was only inflated by the 2 I mentioned

Well, no. You haven't even shown that it was inflated by the 2 you have claimed.
And even then if it was.
That's 2.
The number is 1.6 million.

Being write about 2 does not cancel out the 1.6 million.
Claiming otherwise is a whole new level of pedantic and dishonest even for you.

enno99 wrote: »

its inflated and your wrong again

But it's not inflated. As you've said, you can't supply a better more accurate number.
You lied.

enno99

Mr Varadkar said: "In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-31009053.html

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Mr Varadkar said: "In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-31009053.html

Note how you keep trying to round down the figures at every turn. Trying to downplay the severity of the virus as much as possible, whilst at the same time trying to spread as much fear about the vaccine.

The questions are still pending

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Mr Varadkar said: "In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-31009053.html

Ok. What's the real number then?
You've been asked before, but you ran away.

Why are you link dumping rather than answering questions?
Cause to me, it looks like you're trying to run away from those questions again.

enno99

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Note how you keep trying to round down the figures at every turn. Trying to downplay the severity of the virus as much as possible, whilst at the same time trying to spread as much fear about the vaccine.

If you want conspiracy theorists who have probably done most damage to vaccine up take
You could look to Biden, Cuomo,Pelosi et al making statements like I wouldnt trust a vaccine that Trump was involved in
Cuomo said he didnt trust the head of the FDA

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

If you want conspiracy theorists who have probably done most damage to vaccine up take
You could look to Biden, Cuomo,Pelosi et al making statements like I wouldnt trust a vaccine that Trump was involved in
Cuomo said he didnt trust the head of the FDA

It's a virus, it doesn't care about your political views or your world views or anyone's, it just wants to spread.

Again, how many people have died as a result of this virus according to you?

And how many will the vaccine kill?

enno99

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a virus, it doesn't care about your political views or your world views or anyone's, it just wants to spread.

Again, how many people have died as a result of this virus according to you?

And how many will the vaccine kill?

Read what I highlighted and posted it was about vaccines

More dishonest tactics

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

More dishonest tactics

You're being asked direct questions and you're ignoring them completely.

runawaybishop

enno99 wrote: »

Mr Varadkar said: "In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-31009053.html

That doesn't confirm what you are saying. We counted suspected cases and denotified them if they didn't have covid.

We did not count them if covid wasn't the cause of them dying.

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Read what I highlighted and posted it was about vaccines

More dishonest tactics

Anyone can look up the current estimates for each country in the world

You are claiming every one of those is wrong, cool, what's your figures and your methodology for calculating them? (with proper evidence, no duckduckgo search dump results)

To repeat for the 4th or 5th time, how many will these vaccines kill?

Dohnjoe

I've seen slimy politicians caught in lies do less ducking and evading than this.

enno99

runawaybishop wrote: »

That doesn't confirm what you are saying. We counted suspected cases and denotified them if they didn't have covid.

We did not count them if covid wasn't the cause of them dying.

The Tánaiste said this skewed the numbers but was the right method as the "priority is to save lives not look good in league tables."

from the same article

if you can show where the decreased the number of fatalities any time in their reporting go ahead

I remember hearing him in an interview and the number was in the 100s
I will try get a link

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

from the same article

if you can show where the decreased the number of fatalities any time in their reporting go ahead

I remember hearing him in an interview and the number was in the 100s
I will try get a link

Maybe while you're doing that you can provide the real numbers that you believe are more accurate.

Cause it kinda looks like you're ignoring difficult points and running away again.
Very dishonest and cowardly if so.

Quiner

Dohnjoe wrote: »

How many have died in total as a result of Covid? please back up your figures with proper sources.

And before you choose the "we can't really know" route, you can't deny official estimates if you have none of your own backed by evidence.

Would you say the numbers in England are hugely overflated given that, up until recently, anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive for covid was put down as a covid death?

Dohnjoe

Quiner wrote: »

Would you say the numbers in England are hugely overflated given that, up until recently, anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive for covid was put down as a covid death?

The current figures we have are the correlation of all the data from countries

If the data is incorrect, then what are the new figures?

runawaybishop

enno99 wrote: »

from the same article

if you can show where the decreased the number of fatalities any time in their reporting go ahead

I remember hearing him in an interview and the number was in the 100s
I will try get a link

They denotified deaths and cases constantly, they have been doing it for months. Heres one from the 3rd this month, there are many many others.

Validation of data at the Health Protection Surveillance Centre has resulted in 21 previously confirmed cases being denotified, which is reflected in the standing total of 73,228 cases.

Dohnjoe

More claims debunked
https://www.bbc.com/news/55364865

"The disappearing needle":

The posts use genuine footage showing healthcare professionals using a safety syringe, in which the needle retracts into the body of the device after use.

Safety syringes have been in widespread use for over a decade. They protect medical staff and patients from injuries and infection.

"Syringe with cap on":

One showed an Australian politician posing with a syringe next to her arm, the needle clearly covered with a safety cap, with claims that her Covid-19 vaccination had been faked.

But in reality, it showed Queensland premier Annastacia Palaszczuk posing for the cameras after receiving a flu vaccine in April. The video has had close to 400,000 views on Twitter.

Photographers had asked for more photos because the real injection happened too quickly.

"Nurse died in Alabama":

Public Health authorities in Alabama released a statement condemning "misinformation" after a false story that a nurse died after taking the coronavirus vaccine spread on Facebook.

The state had just started injecting its first citizens with the jab.

After being alerted to the rumours, the department of public health contacted all vaccine-administering hospitals in the state and "confirmed there have been no deaths of vaccine recipients. The posts are untrue."

Expect many, many more of these.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

seannash wrote: »

Is this a rare occasion where the conspiracy theorists doctored evidence to suit their narrative?
Fair play to you for admitting you were wrong on this one. Thats rare around here

Yeah whatever I watched earlier in the day was clearly a doctored video... And now I can't find it but if I do I'll post it.

enno99

runawaybishop wrote: »

They denotified deaths and cases constantly, they have been doing it for months. Heres one from the 3rd this month, there are many many others.

Validation of data at the Health Protection Surveillance Centre has resulted in 21 previously confirmed cases being denotified, which is reflected in the standing total of 73,228 cases.

Deaths ?

link please

EyesClosed

enno99 wrote: »

Deaths ?

link please

I think it's a little rich you asking for links

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Deaths ?

link please

You're back, why are you repeatedly asking questions, but dodging those put to you?

enno99

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users


WHO (finally) admits PCR tests create false positives

Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical.

Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical.

Interestig article

Fighting Tao

enno99 wrote: »

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users


WHO (finally) admits PCR tests create false positives


Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical.

Interestig article

Technology improves all the the time and gets more accurate.

So how does that feed into the conspiracy in your head?

enno99

EyesClosed wrote: »

I think it's a little rich you asking for links

LOL I have given links every time even got my wrist slapped for it

Dohnjoe

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So how does that feed into the conspiracy in your head?

I doubt there's any solid conspiracy these posters believe in. Most will be too wiley to commit to something they know they can't support, any any of the rest just seem to buy into the whole "mark of the Beast" thing.

This seems almost purely about denial, anything to cast doubt on the facts in order to hint something is "going on" but without ever having to detail that.

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

LOL I have given links every time even got my wrist slapped for it

You evade questions, paste-dump duckduckgo search results and fill the thread with denial stuff repeatedly. You can't detail any conspiracy coherently and this is about the only place on boards that will (just about) tolerate this kind of stuff

enno99

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You evade questions, paste-dump duckduckgo search results and fill the thread with denial stuff repeatedly. You can't detail any conspiracy coherently and this is about the only place on boards that will (just about) tolerate this kind of stuff

What is that supposed to mean

Quiner

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I doubt there's any solid conspiracy these posters believe in. Most will be too wiley to commit to something they know they can't support, any any of the rest just seem to buy into the whole "mark of the Beast" thing.

This seems almost purely about denial, anything to cast doubt on the facts in order to hint something is "going on" but without ever having to detail that.

I think we are all on the same page in terms of what we think. I don't wish to speak for other posters, but I think we believe the following:

The pandemic was planned to bring about the Great Reset. If it wasn't planned, it is being exploited to bring about the reset. Where we may differ is on what the reset will look like. I believe it will be a technocratic hell in which human beings will be controlled and heavy restrictions will be placed on our lives. That's the conspiracy theory as I see it, so I hope it won't be claimed again that people still don't know what the conspiracy theory is.