Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

muddle84 · 20-12-2020 10:03PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

It'll be hard for Jason Doherty to play next year with the all Ireland final in mid July. He only did the cruciate in October. What's the story with Harrison? Picked up some kind of a knee injury back in the summer but no official word since.

I've a feeling Barrett will retire. The fact he transferred to clontarf this year would indicate he's winding down.

I thought he transferred because of the situation with lockdown and covid etc? If it was a normal year he would have stuck with Belmullet?

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 10:07PM

muddle84 wrote: »

I thought he transferred because of the situation with lockdown and covid etc? If it was a normal year he would have stuck with Belmullet?

He had been training with Clontarf since 2018 so at some stage he knew he was going in with them. Getting married and having a young kid meant he couldn't really be going up and down the motorway for club matches.

Blackjack · 20-12-2020 10:11PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

He had been training with Clontarf since 2018 so at some stage he knew he was going in with them. Getting married and having a young kid meant he couldn't really be going up and down the motorway for club matches.

Bear in mind too that the journey to Belmullet is at least 4 hours each way, and the majority of it really isn’t motorway or anything like it.

RedDevil55 · 20-12-2020 10:14PM

jay1988 wrote: »

This stuff about the Senior players having Rochford removed, are people sure there's nothing in that? It's a rumour i've heard from a few different places and has been reported a few times that he had a players revolt to handle? Surely this wouldn't have spread so much if there was nothing in it?

On yesterdays game, Mayo were a tad unlucky, losing Durcan is huge, he's the one player in the country i think could walk into the Dublin team easily and improve them even more, a massive loss and a hard one to overcome, especially when he's marking Kilkenny.

From the outside looking in, it seems like Brolly may have a point on some of them (even though he's an arse) especially Aidan O'Shea, no scores in how many AI finals now? It's not good enough from a supposed top player.

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Aidan is not a prolific scorer and never has been. Although he was fouled twice yesterday when about to score. He wasn't brilliant yesterday but I don't see why he gets branded as some celebrity loser by Brolly? He does very little media work compared to other intercounty players. I mean peter keane and David Clifford had a huge media campaign with super valu at the start of the championship.

charolais0153 · 20-12-2020 10:20PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Aidan is not a prolific scorer and never has been. Although he was fouled twice yesterday when about to score. He wasn't brilliant yesterday but I don't see why he gets branded as some celebrity loser by Brolly? He does very little media work compared to other intercounty players. I mean peter keane and David Clifford had a huge media campaign with super valu at the start of the championship.

Think Keane owns a supervalu shop

RedDevil55 · 20-12-2020 10:27PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Think Keane owns a supervalu shop

I know but could you imagine if that was Horan and O'Shea on the TV every day in the middle of championship?

km79 · 20-12-2020 10:31PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It's well known. I'm friendly with someone who was/is part of the backroom team but with no input into selection and they'd openly say that Horan is his own man. What he says goes and no discussion. Very different under Rochie where McEntee had a voice that was heard and listened to.

One of my best friends work in Coke alongside him . Similar story

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 10:34PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Rochie wanted guarantees around funds and then the county board turned around and said they wanted the names of his backroom team the next day or something stupid. County board wanted Rochie gone as he wanted the best of th best and that costs money. Buckley and McEntees milage would have been a fair whack 3/4 times a week. Look at Horans backroom team. All local apart from Burke who also looks after the Dublin based players during the spring.

PressRun · 20-12-2020 10:36PM

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

km79 · 20-12-2020 10:39PM

I see the AoS bashing has started again. He is not and never will be a regular scorer . Especially when played midfield . Our kickouts were excellent yesterday. We also completely disrupted theirs . I suppose he had absolutely nothing to do with that .

Simple question
Who would ye play instead of him ?
Who would ye bring on instead of him ?

We will miss him when he is gone
Like Liam McHale he will be appreciated more when he stops playing .
Like Ciaran McDonald too.......he is everyone’s favorite now . I stood in many crowds when abuse was being hurled at him from mayo “supporters “ because of his “yellow hair and boots “ . He was nothing but a “fancy dan “.

We are a weird bunch at times .

If some supporters were listened to then Clarke , Keegan , Coen , O shea , Diarmuid and Cillian YES CILLIAN would not have started for us this year.
We must have a serious B squad somewhere because our bench made no impact as usual .

I’m annoyed now

RedDevil55 · 20-12-2020 10:43PM

PressRun wrote: »

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-12-2020 10:43PM

km79 wrote: »

One of my best friends work in Coke alongside him . Similar story

I've known him since we were youths, and he certainly is his own man, uncompromising is a word I'd use.

But it has certainly helped Mayo football, remember the state of the place pre 2011.

Blackjack · 20-12-2020 10:54PM

PressRun wrote: »

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

That GAA hour point was interesting as when Wooly pressed Brennan about who on the Mayo team were the ones with the big media persona that people had issue with Brennan dithered and could only name Conor Mortimer, who hasn’t played for Mayo since 2012....

km79 · 20-12-2020 10:57PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I've known him since we were youths, and he certainly is his own man, uncompromising is a word I'd use.

But it has certainly helped Mayo football, remember the state of the place pre 2011.

His single mindedness is one of his greatest strengths and his weakness !
But getting back to the original point
It’s why Rochford and himself would not be the dream ticket we all want

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 11:05PM

Think Keegan and Aido are easy targets for the 'celeb' rubbish as they come across as fairly sure of themselves and well spoken. Both are easy going lads who from what I hear from home like to keep to themselves.

Sure both of them do the normal social media stuff for the garages who sponsor their cars but the Dublin lads do the exact same. Only difference is they have a collection of medals to show for their efforts whereas our lads are derided for being bottlers, for not working hard enough, for not being smart enough, for not volunteering hard enough. They are an easy target due to gob****es like Brolly piling in on them for easy clickbait articles. If/when they finally manage to climb the steps as winners, I'm sure there will be plenty of column inches devoted to saying how they were lucky, the other team played badly, blah, blah, blah rather than acknowledge the struggle to win is finally over.

PressRun · 20-12-2020 11:20PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

Blackjack wrote: »

That GAA hour point was interesting as when Wooly pressed Brennan about who on the Mayo team were the ones with the big media persona that people had issue with Brennan dithered and could only name Conor Mortimer, who hasn’t played for Mayo since 2012....

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

jay1988 · 20-12-2020 11:48PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Aidan is not a prolific scorer and never has been. Although he was fouled twice yesterday when about to score. He wasn't brilliant yesterday but I don't see why he gets branded as some celebrity loser by Brolly? He does very little media work compared to other intercounty players. I mean peter keane and David Clifford had a huge media campaign with super valu at the start of the championship.

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 11:51PM

jay1988 wrote: »

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

Number 11 for me as he can float about and also in and out without the responsibility of having to track. Midfield he hasn't the pace or indeed the engine. Full forward, he is too easily bottled up.

seligehgit · 20-12-2020 11:54PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

PressRun wrote: »

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

Jealousy another common held Irish trait.

RedDevil55 · 21-12-2020 12:03AM

jay1988 wrote: »

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

I think full forward is the best position from now on as he's in his 30s. In all our championship games bar Dublin, the opposition dropped a sweeper back to double mark Aidan. It's no coincidence that Cillian and Tommy Conroy scored heavily when the opposition are so focused on Aidan.

km79 · 21-12-2020 12:08AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Jealousy another common held Irish trait.

That’s it in a nutshell

PARlance · 21-12-2020 01:08AM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

When you add that he's fond of keeping up to date with the latest fashion trends, he's on a hiding to nothing with some people.

Extremely nice lad, keeps the head down despite media/public always (always) wanting a piece of him, very giving of his time and no airs or graces about him.

We've been lucky to have a great crop of players over the last decade, on and off the pitch.

Robson99 · 21-12-2020 09:55AM

In fairness to O Shea he was starved of possession when he went in FF. He had Cooper beaten to the couple of balls that did come in but then players started having silly shots from out the field.
That game was there for the taking on Sat evening. Dublin were the worst they have been for the last 6 years yet Mayo were not smart enough in the second half to win it.
Ye were winning a lot of the key battles, winning kick outs, Cluxton under pressure yet ye let Dublin keep the ball for the length of time McDaid was in the sin bin.
As good as footballers as that team are there is a lack of brain when the finish line is in sight.

PhoneMain · 21-12-2020 10:06AM

Sure it was the same with Ciaran Mc, some people absolutely loathed him........sure apparently he was sleeping with half the county at 1 point!!! I never met him myself but my dads friend met him and he was a gentleman.

Thats what has me disgusted over the Brolly article. It's a hit job. He's using his own personal reasons for doing a character assassination on the Mayo lads over 2015. Its a disgusting piece. Boyler has no airs or graces about him, I went on the beer with Ger Cafferkey 1 night when we were in college and he was sound as they come, Higgins is lovely everytime you meet him in his job, I bumped into Kevin Mc on a night out a few years ago and he was sound as they come.

I know Caff and Andy are gone but they were part of that core team over the years. Andy is lovely in the gyms and talks to everyone. My father was in Corrib Oil in Castlebar 3 years ago. There was a bus full of old folks and they saw Andy and it was just after the all Ireland and apparently they were all excited about seeing him. Andy apparently went on to the bus and spoke to all of them and they were delighted with themselves. You wouldnt get that from lads who think they're "celebrities".

As to the game at the weekend, again it was so disappointing at the end.
I thought DOC was solid, Mullins very good, Clarke's kickouts went well for the first 3/4, AOS did some work, Coc was brilliant in the first half, Ryan O'D ran down a few alleyways but didnt let it get to him and kept plugging. Tommy C will be the better for Saturday.

Any other decade and those lads would have 2 or 3 all irelands. Even 10 years ago. Couldnt see Higgins, Barrett, Boyler, SOS, Clarke continuing and i'm sickened they wont have a senior all ireland. At least AOS, COC, Kevin Mc, Jason Doc, Keegan has a few years still to try get 1.

Hope for the future: tommy C has had a great year apart from Saturday, Mullins obv, Matty R will be up there with the best in the country, Lofty showed his future at county has to be midfield as well, his distribution and brain this year has been fantastic. DOC still young, Coen is maturing into a leader.

Audioslaven · 21-12-2020 10:34AM

km79 wrote: »

His single mindedness is one of his greatest strengths and his weakness !
But getting back to the original point
It’s why Rochford and himself would not be the dream ticket we all want

I thinks lots of people have rose tinted glasses with Rochford. He was very good at his match up but if we go back to his corofin days, lots would say he underachieved there. He should have won more. He has moved to Donegal and there is no real improvement there. I think he had his issues when he took the job as well. He just does not command the same authority as Horan does. This is a very important attribute to have, you can put different words on it but Horan really commands respect and authority from the players.

If they were to bring in someone, Buckley would be the man. We know he is one of the best around and Kerry let a decent coach go because he was most likely pushing boundaries and they fell out.

Audioslaven · 21-12-2020 10:45AM

PhoneMain wrote: »

Sure it was the same with Ciaran Mc, some people absolutely loathed him........sure apparently he was sleeping with half the county at 1 point!!! I never met him myself but my dads friend met him and he was a gentleman.

Thats what has me disgusted over the Brolly article. It's a hit job. He's using his own personal reasons for doing a character assassination on the Mayo lads over 2015. Its a disgusting piece. Boyler has no airs or graces about him, I went on the beer with Ger Cafferkey 1 night when we were in college and he was sound as they come, Higgins is lovely everytime you meet him in his job, I bumped into Kevin Mc on a night out a few years ago and he was sound as they come.

Look you can't take him serious any more. He says stuff now to keep himself current. That's what he does now. Of all the years to come out with that ****, it makes no sense. Everyone is keeping a low profile. Brolly is confusing unrelenting support for the team from the county as them been in some celebrity bubble. This article just makes him look stupid. This man is well used to crawling around the ground in Knockmore, leave him at it!!

km79 · 21-12-2020 10:53AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

I thinks lots of people have rose tinted glasses with Rochford. He was very good at his match up but if we go back to his corofin days, lots would say he underachieved there. He should have won more. He has moved to Donegal and there is no real improvement there. I think he had his issues when he took the job as well. He just does not command the same authority as Horan does. This is a very important attribute to have, you can put different words on it but Horan really commands respect and authority from the players.

If they were to bring in someone, Buckley would be the man. We know he is one of the best around and Kerry let a decent coach go because he was most likely pushing boundaries and they fell out.

I agree re Rochford and authority
I said it when he is charge that he is a terrible speaker.
Horan has the charisma/personality
Rochford has the tactical brain

What I was suggesting was Horan manager and Rochford coach working with him . But it probably wouldn’t work as Horan would need to be willing to take a lot of different ideas on board .

Audioslaven · 21-12-2020 11:00AM

km79 wrote: »

I agree re Rochford and authority
I said it when he is charge that he is a terrible speaker.
Horan has the charisma/personality
Rochford has the tactical brain

What I was suggesting was Horan manager and Rochford coach working with him . But it probably wouldn’t work as Horan would need to be willing to take a lot of different ideas on board .

I get what you are saying and I do think Horan is very stubborn but not to a degree where he would not take things on board. I think Buckley would have gone if it was just Horan's way or no way.

km79 · 21-12-2020 11:10AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

I get what you are saying and I do think Horan is very stubborn but not to a degree where he would not take things on board. I think Buckley would have gone if it was just Horan's way or no way.

Let’s get Rochy back in so

The dream team !

Audioslaven · 21-12-2020 11:22AM

PressRun wrote: »

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

That's not entirely the case in my opinion. I think he probably does not like this attention that this brings, as it offers nothing to the team. I know some people on here are linked but the way Horan wanted Mayo to play and the way Conor Mortimer played did not match... Trevor a different animal who would fit into Horan's team. Horan wants a hard working player when the team are not in possession to act like a defender and this was never the case here. Imagine if a player lifted their top and Horan in charge with RIP to somebody. He would go mental and rightly so. Those days are long gone and leave them in the past.

I posted before on this and this is what Horan brought to the table when he came in. He made us a proper team who have hardened up and will not bend under any circumstances. He deserves serious credit for this and so do the players for buying into this. He will make us better again and he will find a way to improve us. Horan is all about improving and getting better.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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