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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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charolais0153

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Aidan is not a prolific scorer and never has been. Although he was fouled twice yesterday when about to score. He wasn't brilliant yesterday but I don't see why he gets branded as some celebrity loser by Brolly? He does very little media work compared to other intercounty players. I mean peter keane and David Clifford had a huge media campaign with super valu at the start of the championship.

Think Keane owns a supervalu shop

RedDevil55

charolais0153 wrote: »

Think Keane owns a supervalu shop

I know but could you imagine if that was Horan and O'Shea on the TV every day in the middle of championship?

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It's well known. I'm friendly with someone who was/is part of the backroom team but with no input into selection and they'd openly say that Horan is his own man. What he says goes and no discussion. Very different under Rochie where McEntee had a voice that was heard and listened to.

One of my best friends work in Coke alongside him . Similar story

wirelessdude01

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Rochie wanted guarantees around funds and then the county board turned around and said they wanted the names of his backroom team the next day or something stupid. County board wanted Rochie gone as he wanted the best of th best and that costs money. Buckley and McEntees milage would have been a fair whack 3/4 times a week. Look at Horans backroom team. All local apart from Burke who also looks after the Dublin based players during the spring.

PressRun

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

km79

I see the AoS bashing has started again. He is not and never will be a regular scorer . Especially when played midfield . Our kickouts were excellent yesterday. We also completely disrupted theirs . I suppose he had absolutely nothing to do with that .

Simple question
Who would ye play instead of him ?
Who would ye bring on instead of him ?

We will miss him when he is gone
Like Liam McHale he will be appreciated more when he stops playing .
Like Ciaran McDonald too.......he is everyone’s favorite now . I stood in many crowds when abuse was being hurled at him from mayo “supporters “ because of his “yellow hair and boots “ . He was nothing but a “fancy dan “.

We are a weird bunch at times .

If some supporters were listened to then Clarke , Keegan , Coen , O shea , Diarmuid and Cillian YES CILLIAN would not have started for us this year.
We must have a serious B squad somewhere because our bench made no impact as usual .

I’m annoyed now

RedDevil55

PressRun wrote: »

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

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km79 wrote: »

One of my best friends work in Coke alongside him . Similar story

I've known him since we were youths, and he certainly is his own man, uncompromising is a word I'd use.

But it has certainly helped Mayo football, remember the state of the place pre 2011.

Blackjack

PressRun wrote: »

O'Shea is just an easy target for some and this myth that he is somehow a "celebrity" persists, even though he doesn't actually talk to the media any more than any other intercounty player. Just this week the lads on the GAA Hour were discussing that they've tried to hook him for an interview on that show several times and he has never accepted. He just does the regular press obligations that all teams do during the championship. The match yesterday was just another example of trying to put O'Shea everywhere and consequently not getting enough out of him. The positioning of him is a persistent problem for us unfortunately. He is expected to do a lot for us, but at the end of the day, he's one person. Wouldn't it be great to have a clone.

And yes, it was the county board who pushed Rochford and they weren't exactly secretive about it either.

That GAA hour point was interesting as when Wooly pressed Brennan about who on the Mayo team were the ones with the big media persona that people had issue with Brennan dithered and could only name Conor Mortimer, who hasn’t played for Mayo since 2012....

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I've known him since we were youths, and he certainly is his own man, uncompromising is a word I'd use.

But it has certainly helped Mayo football, remember the state of the place pre 2011.

His single mindedness is one of his greatest strengths and his weakness !
But getting back to the original point
It’s why Rochford and himself would not be the dream ticket we all want

wirelessdude01

Think Keegan and Aido are easy targets for the 'celeb' rubbish as they come across as fairly sure of themselves and well spoken. Both are easy going lads who from what I hear from home like to keep to themselves.

Sure both of them do the normal social media stuff for the garages who sponsor their cars but the Dublin lads do the exact same. Only difference is they have a collection of medals to show for their efforts whereas our lads are derided for being bottlers, for not working hard enough, for not being smart enough, for not volunteering hard enough. They are an easy target due to gob****es like Brolly piling in on them for easy clickbait articles. If/when they finally manage to climb the steps as winners, I'm sure there will be plenty of column inches devoted to saying how they were lucky, the other team played badly, blah, blah, blah rather than acknowledge the struggle to win is finally over.

PressRun

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

Blackjack wrote: »

That GAA hour point was interesting as when Wooly pressed Brennan about who on the Mayo team were the ones with the big media persona that people had issue with Brennan dithered and could only name Conor Mortimer, who hasn’t played for Mayo since 2012....

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

jay1988

RedDevil55 wrote: »

The mayo chairman had several pops at Rochford in the papers after the Kildare defeat in 2018. It was the county board who didn't want Rochford to continue.

Aidan is not a prolific scorer and never has been. Although he was fouled twice yesterday when about to score. He wasn't brilliant yesterday but I don't see why he gets branded as some celebrity loser by Brolly? He does very little media work compared to other intercounty players. I mean peter keane and David Clifford had a huge media campaign with super valu at the start of the championship.

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

wirelessdude01

jay1988 wrote: »

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

Number 11 for me as he can float about and also in and out without the responsibility of having to track. Midfield he hasn't the pace or indeed the engine. Full forward, he is too easily bottled up.

seligehgit

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

PressRun wrote: »

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

Jealousy another common held Irish trait.

RedDevil55

jay1988 wrote: »

That's fair enough I probably don't see enough of him to make a fair judgement tbh. He strikes me as very similar to Mícheal Darragh McAuley with Dublin, great fielding and good for bursting through lines with ball but his decision making and shooting could definitely improve, would the opinion in Mayo be that he would be better equipped in midfield rather than FF, given his lack of scoring threat?

I think full forward is the best position from now on as he's in his 30s. In all our championship games bar Dublin, the opposition dropped a sweeper back to double mark Aidan. It's no coincidence that Cillian and Tommy Conroy scored heavily when the opposition are so focused on Aidan.

km79

seligehgit wrote: »

Jealousy another common held Irish trait.

That’s it in a nutshell

PARlance

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think it's that Aidan has a confident look about him and always speaks well when he's interviewed. It's an Irish thing to knock anyone who looks confident.

When you add that he's fond of keeping up to date with the latest fashion trends, he's on a hiding to nothing with some people.

Extremely nice lad, keeps the head down despite media/public always (always) wanting a piece of him, very giving of his time and no airs or graces about him.

We've been lucky to have a great crop of players over the last decade, on and off the pitch.

Robson99

In fairness to O Shea he was starved of possession when he went in FF. He had Cooper beaten to the couple of balls that did come in but then players started having silly shots from out the field.
That game was there for the taking on Sat evening. Dublin were the worst they have been for the last 6 years yet Mayo were not smart enough in the second half to win it.
Ye were winning a lot of the key battles, winning kick outs, Cluxton under pressure yet ye let Dublin keep the ball for the length of time McDaid was in the sin bin.
As good as footballers as that team are there is a lack of brain when the finish line is in sight.

PhoneMain

Sure it was the same with Ciaran Mc, some people absolutely loathed him........sure apparently he was sleeping with half the county at 1 point!!! I never met him myself but my dads friend met him and he was a gentleman.

Thats what has me disgusted over the Brolly article. It's a hit job. He's using his own personal reasons for doing a character assassination on the Mayo lads over 2015. Its a disgusting piece. Boyler has no airs or graces about him, I went on the beer with Ger Cafferkey 1 night when we were in college and he was sound as they come, Higgins is lovely everytime you meet him in his job, I bumped into Kevin Mc on a night out a few years ago and he was sound as they come.

I know Caff and Andy are gone but they were part of that core team over the years. Andy is lovely in the gyms and talks to everyone. My father was in Corrib Oil in Castlebar 3 years ago. There was a bus full of old folks and they saw Andy and it was just after the all Ireland and apparently they were all excited about seeing him. Andy apparently went on to the bus and spoke to all of them and they were delighted with themselves. You wouldnt get that from lads who think they're "celebrities".

As to the game at the weekend, again it was so disappointing at the end.
I thought DOC was solid, Mullins very good, Clarke's kickouts went well for the first 3/4, AOS did some work, Coc was brilliant in the first half, Ryan O'D ran down a few alleyways but didnt let it get to him and kept plugging. Tommy C will be the better for Saturday.

Any other decade and those lads would have 2 or 3 all irelands. Even 10 years ago. Couldnt see Higgins, Barrett, Boyler, SOS, Clarke continuing and i'm sickened they wont have a senior all ireland. At least AOS, COC, Kevin Mc, Jason Doc, Keegan has a few years still to try get 1.

Hope for the future: tommy C has had a great year apart from Saturday, Mullins obv, Matty R will be up there with the best in the country, Lofty showed his future at county has to be midfield as well, his distribution and brain this year has been fantastic. DOC still young, Coen is maturing into a leader.

Audioslaven

km79 wrote: »

His single mindedness is one of his greatest strengths and his weakness !
But getting back to the original point
It’s why Rochford and himself would not be the dream ticket we all want

I thinks lots of people have rose tinted glasses with Rochford. He was very good at his match up but if we go back to his corofin days, lots would say he underachieved there. He should have won more. He has moved to Donegal and there is no real improvement there. I think he had his issues when he took the job as well. He just does not command the same authority as Horan does. This is a very important attribute to have, you can put different words on it but Horan really commands respect and authority from the players.

If they were to bring in someone, Buckley would be the man. We know he is one of the best around and Kerry let a decent coach go because he was most likely pushing boundaries and they fell out.

Audioslaven

PhoneMain wrote: »

Sure it was the same with Ciaran Mc, some people absolutely loathed him........sure apparently he was sleeping with half the county at 1 point!!! I never met him myself but my dads friend met him and he was a gentleman.

Thats what has me disgusted over the Brolly article. It's a hit job. He's using his own personal reasons for doing a character assassination on the Mayo lads over 2015. Its a disgusting piece. Boyler has no airs or graces about him, I went on the beer with Ger Cafferkey 1 night when we were in college and he was sound as they come, Higgins is lovely everytime you meet him in his job, I bumped into Kevin Mc on a night out a few years ago and he was sound as they come.

Look you can't take him serious any more. He says stuff now to keep himself current. That's what he does now. Of all the years to come out with that ****, it makes no sense. Everyone is keeping a low profile. Brolly is confusing unrelenting support for the team from the county as them been in some celebrity bubble. This article just makes him look stupid. This man is well used to crawling around the ground in Knockmore, leave him at it!!

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

I thinks lots of people have rose tinted glasses with Rochford. He was very good at his match up but if we go back to his corofin days, lots would say he underachieved there. He should have won more. He has moved to Donegal and there is no real improvement there. I think he had his issues when he took the job as well. He just does not command the same authority as Horan does. This is a very important attribute to have, you can put different words on it but Horan really commands respect and authority from the players.

If they were to bring in someone, Buckley would be the man. We know he is one of the best around and Kerry let a decent coach go because he was most likely pushing boundaries and they fell out.

I agree re Rochford and authority
I said it when he is charge that he is a terrible speaker.
Horan has the charisma/personality
Rochford has the tactical brain

What I was suggesting was Horan manager and Rochford coach working with him . But it probably wouldn’t work as Horan would need to be willing to take a lot of different ideas on board .

Audioslaven

km79 wrote: »

I agree re Rochford and authority
I said it when he is charge that he is a terrible speaker.
Horan has the charisma/personality
Rochford has the tactical brain

What I was suggesting was Horan manager and Rochford coach working with him . But it probably wouldn’t work as Horan would need to be willing to take a lot of different ideas on board .

I get what you are saying and I do think Horan is very stubborn but not to a degree where he would not take things on board. I think Buckley would have gone if it was just Horan's way or no way.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

I get what you are saying and I do think Horan is very stubborn but not to a degree where he would not take things on board. I think Buckley would have gone if it was just Horan's way or no way.

Let’s get Rochy back in so

The dream team !

Audioslaven

PressRun wrote: »

I suspect the fact that he's a good looking lad probably plays a part in it too. It's the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of people that such individuals must love themselves so much.

And Mortimer was dismissed by James Horan and it has been speculated that Mortimer's profile and general attention-seeking attitude played a part in that falling out. I don't think Horan really stands for it tbh. And as others have suggested, Horan has a very "my way or the highway" sort of mindset.

That's not entirely the case in my opinion. I think he probably does not like this attention that this brings, as it offers nothing to the team. I know some people on here are linked but the way Horan wanted Mayo to play and the way Conor Mortimer played did not match... Trevor a different animal who would fit into Horan's team. Horan wants a hard working player when the team are not in possession to act like a defender and this was never the case here. Imagine if a player lifted their top and Horan in charge with RIP to somebody. He would go mental and rightly so. Those days are long gone and leave them in the past.

I posted before on this and this is what Horan brought to the table when he came in. He made us a proper team who have hardened up and will not bend under any circumstances. He deserves serious credit for this and so do the players for buying into this. He will make us better again and he will find a way to improve us. Horan is all about improving and getting better.

bocaman

Joe Brolly's article was nothing more than a hatchet job. Terrible stuff. Brolly seems to have a chip on his shoulder as regards Mayo. he really has it in for Aiden O'Shea who actually played very well on Saturday for Mayo.

[Deleted User]

Audioslaven wrote: »

Imagine if a player lifted their top and Horan in charge with RIP to somebody. He would go mental and rightly so. Those days are long gone and leave them in the past.

Especially if you can’t spell one of the two words you wrote. That episode summed up Conor Mortimer, too interested in making headlines and wasted the bit of talent he had and looked a right clown as usual, he probably spent a week planning that instead of focusing on the important things. He was always known as toxic in the dressing room, every managers worst nightmare.

His Twitter account is a joke trying to be mates with anyone half famous, I used to get retweets but had to block him. I hear he is a self appointed doctor at the moment giving his 2c to everything and anything Covid related.

Trevor on the other hand couldn’t be a more different footballer and character. 110% committed to mayo and liked to do his talking on the pitch

PARlance

Km79 is the soundest out of the lot of them!!!

PressRun

Audioslaven wrote: »

That's not entirely the case in my opinion. I think he probably does not like this attention that this brings, as it offers nothing to the team. Imagine if a player lifted their top and Horan in charge with RIP to somebody. He would go mental and rightly so. Those days are long gone and leave them in the past.

I mean, that's the point I was making. Conor Mortimer did like to court attention and enjoyed the glare of a camera. Horan wasn't interested in any of that and it played a role in them falling out. When Horan took over, I believe part of his plan was to make the team more "serious", for want of a better word. Serious in their approach to the games, serious in their public image, etc. Mortimer didn't fit with that.