BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

RandomViewer · 05-12-2020 10:52PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

Octavia and Mondeo (and probably several others) can be had with 1ltr engine.
How much smaller would you like?
Might not get the 1 litre for banger money (nor would you want one) but the 1.2 and 1.4 Octavia should be out there as well.

Under 2k?

theoneeyedman · 05-12-2020 11:56PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1-3-twincam-4efe-extensive-history/26707394

Something different, twin cam old school Starlet.

wotzgoingon · 06-12-2020 12:48AM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1-3-twincam-4efe-extensive-history/26707394

Something different, twin cam old school Starlet.

Twin cam. Must be trying to cash in on a ae86.

Tom: Just bought a twin cam.

Joe: Are you serious.

Tom: Yea.

Joe: Where is it?

*Goes outside to look. That's not a twin cam.

bazz26 · 06-12-2020 12:53AM

2k is a joke, should be in the dreamer of they year thread.

job seeker · 06-12-2020 12:56AM

bazz26 wrote: »

2k is a joke, should be in the dreamer of they year thread.

How one earth could someone be that delusional?!

the_syco · 06-12-2020 02:32AM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-1-3-twincam-4efe-extensive-history/26707394

Something different, twin cam old school Starlet.

Twin cam starlet :pac:
Sounds like someone plugged something onto it to make more nooooiiiizzzzeeee?

full Toyota service history up to 88000

From the pictures, this equals to
"full Toyota service history up to 31-5-00"

Mileage 111,000 km

Eh, no. 111,000 miles, so would be 178,637 km.

Front the NCT picture;
101,313 miles in 2015
105,362 (?) miles in 2016
Unknown in miles 2017
NCT is currently due 09/05/2020
so maybe 2,000 miles a year before 2015, and just over 1,000 miles a year since. So I'm guessing some old granny drove it to the shops. I'd wonder has it been serviced at all for for the last 20 years?

Anyhoos, 97MO2079 says that it has had 3 owners, so I'm guessing the first owner had it until at least 2000, and it's had 2 owners since.

Always LoL when they show all sides, but not the rear, or the front bumper. Anything driven by old people usually has been reversed into at least one lamppost :P

CiDeRmAn · 06-12-2020 08:38AM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Masochist

I had a Saab 9-3, but she didn't think it was reliable enough... So I got to squeeze my 6'2" self into the Ignis 4x4 and of we went.
Not fun...
But a handy yoke around Irish roads never the less.
I preferred the Mazda 2 she had beforehand though

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 06-12-2020 10:22AM

Quick question lads. I'm far from a volkswagen man, what are the auto boxes like in them? Looking to get a chape tax wagon passatt/octavia VRS.

Toyotafanboi · 06-12-2020 10:23AM

The 4efe is a twin cam engine though, i think he's just trying to spice up the appeal of that car, not suggest a link to the ae86.

Be a nice car for €750. Typical of the classic section of donedeal though, stuff like this. I'd say Damien knows what he's at though with 132 previous ads.

A bangernomic it is not, though. Duke has an almost identical one posted for €700.

Toyotafanboi · 06-12-2020 10:28AM

the_syco wrote: »

Although only a short NCT, it's worth noting that the NCT was only done 4 months ago, so may be in half decent condition.

I wonder was it laid up for a long time before that? It was taxed 4 days before it was NCT'd and it looks like it was actually taxed in a motor tax office with the stamper on the disc, the disc behind it looks like a green tax disc too, that's going back a few years.

Might be a gem that car.

bazz26 · 06-12-2020 01:45PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Quick question lads. I'm far from a volkswagen man, what are the auto boxes like in them? Looking to get a chape tax wagon passatt/octavia VRS.

Depends on the type of box in them as VAG had a variety from old style slush boxes, multitronic and also DSG.

Multitronic were problematic and got the nickname multicronic. Early DSG gave plenty of problems and a good bit of this was down to poor maintenance/servicing of the gearbox. There are 6 and 7 speed DSG (dry and wet) variants depending on whether it was petrol or diesel but cannot recall which ones were the more troublesome. The newer ones are way more reliable.

Discodog · 06-12-2020 02:21PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Best of luck to your friend. Hope they have a few years of happy motoring in it

Huge pile of receipts, NCTs etc going right back to new. Pleasant surprise.

Btw I have a 95 Starlet that runs but isn't anything like the ones here. I must of had 10 people knocking at the door asking if it's for sale.

When does a 95 qualify as a classic ?

Rows Grower · 06-12-2020 05:37PM

[QUOTE=Discodog;115530388]Huge pile of receipts, NCTs etc going right back to new. Pleasant surprise.

Btw I have a 95 Starlet that runs but isn't anything like the ones here. I must of had 10 people knocking at the door asking if it's for sale.

When does a 95 qualify as a classic ?[/QUOTE]

Can't bate it, I bought a Civic a while back and when I was about to leave your man came running back out to me and says "Oh here I forgot to give you these"
same thing, pile of receipts for work done and most of it before it was due.

It's great peace of mind in fairness.

Duke O Smiley · 07-12-2020 03:35PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-147-twin-spark-1-6/26722451

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Tidy looking 1.6 147 with a bit of tax and NCT til August 2021 for €595

I'm not the biggest fan of these but for 500 quid this could make a nice runaround. Probably playing timing belt roulette at this end of the market, but even still..

colm_mcm · 07-12-2020 03:44PM

It would be an interesting thing for a few months anyway.

Mini850 · 07-12-2020 04:25PM

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-147-twin-spark-1-6/26722451

Tidy looking 1.6 147 with a bit of tax and NCT til August 2021 for €595

I'm not the biggest fan of these but for 500 quid this could make a nice runaround. Probably playing timing belt roulette at this end of the market, but even still..

Timing belt change on those is cheap as chips.

Had one for 2 years, and it wasn't that scary

Interslice · 07-12-2020 07:30PM

Big end bearing roulette is the bigger gable with them. At least it will limp home if you lose thay bet.. Lovely car for the money. Says 695 in the ad now.

crazyjim · 07-12-2020 07:58PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Quick question lads. I'm far from a volkswagen man, what are the auto boxes like in them? Looking to get a chape tax wagon passatt/octavia VRS.

I'm not a VAG driver. But it's a regular query on honest john. You must pick wisely it seems.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/132373/which-volkswagen-dsg-gearboxes-are-reliable-

Andrew33 · 07-12-2020 08:14PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Quick question lads. I'm far from a volkswagen man, what are the auto boxes like in them? Looking to get a chape tax wagon passatt/octavia VRS.

For what it’s worth, I had an ‘06 Octavia 1.9tdi with 6speed, wet clutch DSG, I put 500k on it before I sold it and second owner put another 200k on it.
I always got the box oil and filter done at 60k by main dealer.
I don’t think I’d buy a used DSG equipped car without a genuine service history (for box at least).

elperello · 07-12-2020 09:02PM

Discodog wrote: »

Huge pile of receipts, NCTs etc going right back to new. Pleasant surprise.

Btw I have a 95 Starlet that runs but isn't anything like the ones here. I must of had 10 people knocking at the door asking if it's for sale.

When does a 95 qualify as a classic ?

You will get classic insurance now.

When it gets to 30 classic tax (€56 pa) and two year NCT kicks in.

26000 Elephants · 07-12-2020 10:04PM

Interslice wrote: »

Big end bearing roulette is the bigger gable with them. At least it will limp home if you lose thay bet.. Lovely car for the money. Says 695 in the ad now.

In all my years of buying/driving/fixing fiats and alfas i have NEVER heard of that on the pratola sera engines. Where did you get that from? If they have had any proper care and feeding in their lives they should be fine.

Interslice · 07-12-2020 10:42PM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

In all my years of buying/driving/fixing fiats and alfas i have NEVER heard of that on the pratola sera engines. Where did you get that from? If they have had any proper care and feeding in their lives they should be fine.

The 16v twin sparks combined with the typical irish motorists approach to checking the oil would be a known issue. 1.6 and 1.8 engines in a 120k mile bangernomic alfa is big end roulette. If you buying a 1 owner proper enthuasiast car it may be different. 2 litre engine is tougher also. Still and all for 500 quid you can't go too far wrong.

alias no.9 · 07-12-2020 10:48PM

Interslice wrote: »

The 16v twin sparks combined with the typical irish motorists approach to checking the oil would be a known issue. 1.6 and 1.8 engines in a 120k mile bangernomic alfa is big end roulette. If you buying a 1 owner proper enthuasiast car it may be different. 2 litre engine is tougher also. Still and all for 500 quid you can't go too far wrong.

My understanding was that the 1.8 and 2.0 were the same lump with a different bore / stroke and the addition of a balance shaft on the 2.0, the 1.6 is not related apart from the "Twin Spark".

26000 Elephants · 07-12-2020 11:11PM

Interslice wrote: »

The 16v twin sparks combined with the typical irish motorists approach to checking the oil would be a known issue. 1.6 and 1.8 engines in a 120k mile bangernomic alfa is big end roulette. If you buying a 1 owner proper enthuasiast car it may be different. 2 litre engine is tougher also. Still and all for 500 quid you can't go too far wrong.

You're now equating the failure to engines that arent maintained - which is true for any engine - BMW, VAG, etc. Any Alfa engine that is working well at 120k miles should continue to do so with normal care. There are plenty of things to go wrong with an alfa, but honestly, i havent seen bearings being one of them.

the 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 are all the same modular design, differing mainly in bore/stroke dimensions and balancer shafts, etc. You can put alfa TS 2.0 heads onto Fiat 1.8 blocks, etc.

26000 Elephants · 07-12-2020 11:15PM

alias no.9 wrote: »

My understanding was that the 1.8 and 2.0 were the same lump with a different bore / stroke and the addition of a balance shaft on the 2.0, the 1.6 is not related apart from the "Twin Spark".

No, the 1.6 is the same engine. Oddly, the fiat 1.6 ( in Multiplas, Mareas, Stilos, etc) was a different one entirely.

CharlieCroker · 08-12-2020 02:05AM

I had one of those 1.6's with 180k miles in a 156. Once they're maintained properly, they'll run and run

Sir Galahad · 08-12-2020 02:05PM

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-147-twin-spark-1-6/26722451

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Picture 6. Airbag deployed ? 🤔

Mini850 · 08-12-2020 02:48PM

Sir Galahad wrote: »

Picture 6. Airbag deployed ? 🤔

Nope.

Well probably not.

The airbag cover on those was notorious for popping off. not sure whether its the dash or the cover that warps over time but they eventually go that way.

I remember replacing the clips on mine as it has popped off at the bottom.

I actually miss my 147. had the worst gear linkage I've ever experienced in a car, but the steering was quick....once you had decent suspensions bushings.

wonski · 08-12-2020 07:55PM

Same in gt that I now drive. Slightly out of alignment the passenger airbag cover is.

Other than that reliable enough. Not a car for perfectionists, though. Noise here and there now and again.

If you can live with it, fine. If not, look elsewhere

Winter always is a good test of reliability.

bear1 · 08-12-2020 08:36PM

Never drove a twin Spark but heard they love being revved

BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

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