Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

is_that_so · 07-12-2020 06:51PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET card, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

It's now a mental health issue not a public health one and in that respect it is crucial for both family and residents.

Ficheall · 07-12-2020 06:53PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

For some it absolutely is crucial for the residents to have a family visit
I certainly wouldn’t stand in judgement on anyone who goes to see their wife or mother or granda after months of not seeing them

I suppose. Seems risky, though I guess in some cases it may be worth the risk. Fair enough. Fingers crossed.

is_that_so · 07-12-2020 06:54PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its very controlled with slots booked online on many care homes . I doubt the visitors cross paths with any other residential

As you'd expect. It's not in care homes' interests to have a lot of visitors floating around.

polesheep · 07-12-2020 06:55PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET card, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

Many nursing home reeidents have already had Covid and yet they are denied visits. It's very sad. I visited a relative today. I'm her closest family. When I last saw her about four months ago we had a lovely long chat and a laugh. Today she didn't know who I was until the end of my visit. She has aged four years in four months. I fear I might not see her again.

CruelSummer · 07-12-2020 06:56PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET card, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

My main concern is there doesn’t seem to be proper testing and protective procedures in place in these settings. Anyone know has it been improved if they’ve decided to open to visitors?

Thats me · 07-12-2020 06:57PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its very controlled with slots booked online on many care homes . I doubt the visitors cross paths with any other residential

But residents would contact each other, directly orr not.

is_that_so · 07-12-2020 06:59PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

My main concern is there doesn’t seem to be proper testing and protective procedures in place in these settings. Anyone know has it been improved if they’ve decided to open to visitors?

Staff are tested every two weeks in public care homes and I think it's weekly in private but open to correction on that.

Arghus · 07-12-2020 07:00PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET card, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

I agree with you, but there would have been an absolute shtyestorm if they'd outright refused for people to have any visitors. People would have gone mad, even if the reasoning for this makes complete logical sense.

I think the allowance of the absolute bare minimum amount is the only thing they could do. It's really up to people now to exercise individual judgement.

It's a tough and sensitive issue and while I think - oh of course I wouldn't dream of visiting anyone in a nursing home because of the risk - it might be a lot harder for me to make that decision in reality, so I don't want to come down like a ton of bricks on people that are faced with it.

bb1234567 · 07-12-2020 07:15PM

Hooter23 wrote: »

I see they are on RTE now explaining the difference between the flu and coronavirus...I think they need to explain this to the HSE because they are clearly not following there own advice...we have not have had 1 single case of flu reported this year...this does not make sense and is not possible...they cannot be all coronavirus

Is it impossible? It's seasonal because it spreads between seasons from Northern Hemisphere to South and back again. Australia and NZ reported no flu acitivity this year, and in addition to that very limited international travel, and anyone entering with flu like symptoms into the country will not be meeting anybody in Ireland untilt they recovered.

I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility however you're right that is a bit fishy sounding that not even one case has been confirmed. Have you a link to that though?? It sounds almost oo hard to believe!

Ficheall · 07-12-2020 07:20PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

It sounds almost oo hard to believe!

It's almost like measures taken to prevent the spread of a very transmissible disease have unintentionally prevented the spread of a less transmissible one.

normanoffside · 07-12-2020 07:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Staff are tested every two weeks in public care homes and I think it's weekly in private but open to correction on that.

That's not really good enough is it?

Thats me · 07-12-2020 07:31PM

Arghus wrote: »

I agree with you, but there would have been an absolute shtyestorm if they'd outright refused for people to have any visitors. People would have gone mad, even if the reasoning for this makes complete logical sense.

Will not people gone mad with possibility of their loved granny to be infected by another granny who was visited by her pub-addicted grand son?

Chivito550 · 07-12-2020 07:35PM

Has all the tragedy in Syria and other war torn countries suddenly stopped since Covid 19? Fascinating how we no longer hear about these things, but instead news is flooded with investigations into lack of social distancing at golf events, retirement parties etc.

brookers · 07-12-2020 07:37PM

Thats me wrote: »

Will not people gone mad with possibility of their loved granny to be infected by another granny who was visited by her pub-addicted grand son?

How do people feel about being asked not to come for christmas this year from afar, come next year. What if the people you live with all go home to their families and you are left on your own. I came home and went straight to my family who lived on an isolated farm, we didnt go out at christmas. So people living abroad who are desperate to see their aging mum or dad are being asked to stay away, yet the government have thrown open the restaurants and bars and a guy i work with said in his local all his mates and himself enjoyed loads of drinks and no food....

Thats me · 07-12-2020 07:38PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Has all the tragedy in Syria and other war torn countries suddenly stopped since Covid 19? Fascinating how we no longer hear about these things, but instead news is flooded with investigations into lack of social distancing at golf events, retirement parties etc.

Covid is a problem here and now, nothing surprising people paying more attention to it.

ElJeffe · 07-12-2020 07:40PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Has all the tragedy in Syria and other war torn countries suddenly stopped since Covid 19? Fascinating how we no longer hear about these things, but instead news is flooded with investigations into lack of social distancing at golf events, retirement parties etc.

Start a thread on it?

Chivito550 · 07-12-2020 07:40PM

Thats me wrote: »

Covid is a problem here and now, nothing surprising people paying more attention to it.

Yeah let's ignore the thousands of deaths that are taking place each day in war savaged countries. Only Covid deaths seem to matter.

Turtwig · 07-12-2020 07:52PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Yeah let's ignore the thousands of deaths that are taking place each day in war savaged countries. Only Covid deaths seem to matter.

When the next cancer screening controversy occurs please tell remember to tell RTÉ and everyone that they should focus on Syria or deaths from Diarrhoea in Africa.

Just because you don't talk about something doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Folks that lost a love one to cancer or covid on this very day still care about other problems in the world.

We can't focus our attention on everything and I feel a lot of these "what about problem X" remarks are disingenuous to the extent that they try to imply people don't care about X when in fact they very much do. It's a bit like the spoilt brat expecting constant attention and spotlight and when their parents attend to a sibling they accuse their parents of not caring about them.

Chivito550 · 07-12-2020 07:57PM

Turtwig wrote: »

When the next cancer screening controversy occurs please tell remember to tell RTÉ and everyone that they should focus on Syria or deaths from Diarrhoea in Africa.

Just because you don't talk about something doesn't mean it's irrelevant. Folks that lost a love one to cancer or covid on this very day still care about other problems in the world.

We can't focus our attention on everything and I feel a lot of these "what about problem X" remarks are disingenuous to the extent that they try to imply people don't care about X when in fact they very much do. It's a bit like the spoilt brat expecting constant attention and spotlight and when their parents attend to a sibling they accuse their parents of not caring about them.

You're missing the point. Approx 30 mins of every hour bulletin is Covid related. That leaves just 30 mins for other news. What gets chopped? The stuff going on far away in the third world. Out of sight out of mind.

It seems like Covid is the only thing that matters anymore given the disproportionate amount of coverage.

Ficheall · 07-12-2020 08:07PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

It seems like Covid is the only thing that matters anymore given the disproportionate amount of coverage.

The amount of airtime given to football is also ridiculous.

07-12-2020 08:07PM

seamus wrote: »

I wonder are they still reporting ILIs now though or have they suspended that?

This my gut feeling based on nothing. We'll be in level 3 for at least all of January. We might see a form of level 3-lite into February and March which will allow outdoor dining (brr!) and group classes/training indoors. By the end of April we'll be knocking on the door of level 1, with a full end to all restrictions by mid-to-late Summer.

I hope your belief about there being a full end to all restrictions by mid to late summer comes true. I don't share your optimism though I am trying to. Tedros Ghebreyesus has said that vaccines are another tool in our fight against Covid, how other social distancing measures will still be needed. I think we will be in level 2 by the summer and hopefully level 1 in October. It will be 2022 before all restrictions will be lifted.
I hope I'm wrong.

My reason for thinking this way is the caution with which NPHET operate. Perhaps our Government will be able to stand up to them if they do continue to recommend such measures.

07-12-2020 08:12PM

Just on the nursing homes; My mother's is remaining closed to visitors for the foreseeable future. They suggested I ring again next week for an update. I was told they have an "issue" I asked was Covid in the home and they said no, just that they aren't ready yet.

My mam won't be aware of the lack of visits from dad and me, I don't think. Daddy is finding it very difficult however. Like others have said, I wouldn't judge someone for visiting. Then again I wouldn't judge much of anything during these times. We do what we feel is right.

Chris_5339762 · 07-12-2020 08:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

That's not really good enough is it?

No, and it still is ridiculous that we aren't testing healthcare staff as a matter of course.

spookwoman · 07-12-2020 08:17PM

vafankillar · 07-12-2020 09:55PM

how much do people expect cases to start to rise now starting in the next few days? thurday is 10 days since end of level 5 and then sunday since pubs re-opened. hopefully not enough to go back to level 5 in january but i fear we will

weldoninhio · 07-12-2020 10:02PM

Stheno wrote: »

I think poster means its good so many of the cases are in the under 45s who are less likely to be seriously affected

However I'd strike a word of caution that that may result in a spike among older people in a few weeks

On a separate topic does anyone think opening up visits to nursing homes is madness right now?

They’re using the quick PCR tests to test visitors to some nursing homes

weldoninhio · 07-12-2020 10:06PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

My main concern is there doesn’t seem to be proper testing and protective procedures in place in these settings. Anyone know has it been improved if they’ve decided to open to visitors?

Woman I work with is visiting her father in 2 weeks. She had a PCR test done yesterday which was negative, she’ll have another one done on the day she visits him, if it comes back negative she’ll be allowed in.

weldoninhio · 07-12-2020 10:08PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Yeah let's ignore the thousands of deaths that are taking place each day in war savaged countries. Only Covid deaths seem to matter.

It’s almost, aaaaalllllmmmoooosssssttttt, as if people care more about things that directly affect them. I doubt there’s many in Syria tutting about the RTE retirement bash. Selfish Syrians. :rollseyes:

Martina1991 · 07-12-2020 10:30PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They’re using the quick PCR tests to test visitors to some nursing homes

PCR is performed in a laboratory. That cannot be performed in nursing homes.

Thats me · 07-12-2020 10:43PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

PCR is performed in a laboratory. That cannot be performed in nursing homes.

And takes about 10 hours.. Any pub-addicted grand child will have plenty of time to visit a pub and have covid there between his test taken and his visiting a granny..

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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