Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Arghus · 07-12-2020 06:13PM

seamus wrote: »

Influenza is less virulent than Covid and less likely to result in severe symptoms.

Actual cases of 'flu reported to the HSE are only done after a lab result, and I imagine basically nobody is getting tested for 'flu.

In other words, someone goes to the GP feeling crap, GP sends for a covid test, negative result, "go home and stay in bed and drink plenty of fluids". So nothing is reported to the HSE.

Older people restricting their movements will have a massive impact on the number of serious 'flu cases presenting themselves.

I can well believe that none have been reported, but that doesn't mean nobody has it.

A friend of mine has recently begun work as a community swabber and according to him people are still being tested for influenza.

A certain amount of GPs are part of the sentinal system which tests for Influenza and other respiratory illnesess:

https://www.hiqa.ie/areas-we-work/health-information/data-collections/sentinel-influenza-surveillance

And, as I understand it, people who are referred by GPs who are part of this system for a Covid test will be asked at the testing centre if they consent to being also tested, separately, for Influenza and/or other respiratory illnesses. Not huge numbers of people are being tested for Influenza in this way, but there are people being tested for Influenza.

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:14PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Dr Holohan is still ‘concerned’ while his worry metric is showing the population is ‘less concerned’. Oh dear, round & round we go on the merry go round. These press conferences should be disbanded and redone with Government and others present.

They really should

There should be on weekly update tbh at this stage

KrustyUCC · 07-12-2020 06:19PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Dr Holohan is still ‘concerned’ while his worry metric is showing the population is ‘less concerned’. Oh dear, round & round we go on the merry go round. These press conferences should be disbanded and redone with Government and others present.

A CMO who wants the population to be more worried

Baffling

Golfman64 · 07-12-2020 06:19PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Dr Holohan is still ‘concerned’ while his worry metric is showing the population is ‘less concerned’. Oh dear, round & round we go on the merry go round. These press conferences should be disbanded and redone with Government and others present.

To add to this, he used the platform to announce 'town was a little busier than he expected'. If such anecdotal evidence was used in reverse to justify opening a sector of the economy, it would immediately be shot down!

Also, I haven't heard them say that 'Level 3 is having a great effect in keeping cases low' as they did for Level 5 after just a few days because 'people had been aware of the impending Level 5 restrictions and adjusted behaviour accordingly in advance'!!

Time to move to a more balanced, multi disciplinary press conference once per week focused on both health and economic impacts of the virus and associated restrictions. We are already beginning to see the impact of a lower budget moving forward on public sector remuneration and this needs to be debated in the context of the level of restrictions being imposed.

Eivor · 07-12-2020 06:21PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

63% under 45

Excellent. Exactly what is needed

Spanish Eyes · 07-12-2020 06:22PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

76 of today's cases are in Dublin, 27 in Donegal, 22 in Kilkenny, 16 in Galway, 14 in Louth, and the remaining 87 cases are spread across 18 other counties.

Great for the Dubs, not so great for Donegal though.

Give it a few weeks and the numbers might be different. I doubt many care now, the floodgates are open.

shinzon · 07-12-2020 06:24PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A CMO who wants the population to be more worried

Baffling

I would say be more careful then worried.

Shin

xhomelezz · 07-12-2020 06:26PM

Eivor wrote: »

Excellent. Exactly what is needed

Needed for what?

Eivor · 07-12-2020 06:26PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Sure. But it does mean that we need sufficient immunity in the population via vaccination before we can return to normal.

No it doesn’t. The restrictions are to stop the hospitals getting overwhelmed. As long as we have enough people vaccinated to stop that happening we won’t need restrictions anymore

PopePalpatine · 07-12-2020 06:27PM

Renjit wrote: »

Looks like contamination by chemical or heavy metals.

When I saw that headline it reminded me of the Bhopal Union Carbide disaster.

Eivor · 07-12-2020 06:27PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Needed for what?

We need it to be younger people getting the virus and not older people

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:28PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Needed for what?

I think poster means its good so many of the cases are in the under 45s who are less likely to be seriously affected

However I'd strike a word of caution that that may result in a spike among older people in a few weeks

On a separate topic does anyone think opening up visits to nursing homes is madness right now?

Eivor · 07-12-2020 06:30PM

Stheno wrote: »

I think poster means its good so many of the cases are in the under 45s who are less likely to be seriously affected

However I'd strike a word of caution that that may result in a spike among older people in a few weeks

On a separate topic does anyone think opening up visits to nursing homes is madness right now?

Yes that’s what I meant and yes I also think opening nursing homes is crazy. My dad is in one at the minute and we will be doing nothing but window visits for the foreseeable

Ficheall · 07-12-2020 06:31PM

Stheno wrote: »

On a separate topic does anyone think opening up visits to nursing homes is madness right now?

They said that? That's moronic.

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:32PM

Eivor wrote: »

Yes that’s what I meant and yes I also think opening nursing homes is crazy. My dad is in one at the minute and we will be doing nothing but window visits for the foreseeable

Yeah I heard an elderly resident in a nursing home say they were going to be hugging some of their grandkids on the radio earlier and was amazed tbh

Its literally a few weeks before they may be vaccinated. Hug away all you want then

iamwhoiam · 07-12-2020 06:34PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They said that? That's moronic.

One visit a week I believe .

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:34PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They said that? That's moronic.

Yep think its supposed to be one family member to visit but it seems to be being interpreted very loosely

This is not the presser this evening BTW it was announced last week I think

is_that_so · 07-12-2020 06:34PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They said that? That's moronic.

One visitor per person per week as per the Level 3 roadmap. Not as moronic as accelerating the demise of elderly loved ones who are sad or depressed by this whole year.
One can expect everyone to be masked up to the eyeballs.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1207/1182797-nursing-home-visits/

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

One visitor per person per week. Not as moronic as accelerating the demise of elderly loved ones who are sad or depressed by this whole year.

Its being interpreted that it could be a different person each week though

So over four weeks each resident could have four separate visitors

As someone else said its moronic

Arghus · 07-12-2020 06:38PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They said that? That's moronic.

One visit per week.

There's no winning here no matter what they do.

No visitors = are you trying to kill my relative with loneliness?

Visitor = are you trying to kill my relative with Covid?

Always_Running · 07-12-2020 06:40PM

Stheno wrote: »

Monday tends to on the low side, right?

Previous Mondays:
30/11: 306
23/11: 252
16/11: 456
09/11: 270
02/11: 767

Positive swab count last 24 hours was 234 so 8 backlog cases added in.

Seven day average down to 284 cases per day. It was 293 the last few days.

Fr_Dougal · 07-12-2020 06:40PM

The data would suggest that the reduction of restrictions from Level 5 to Level 3 has been a resounding success.

is_that_so · 07-12-2020 06:40PM

Arghus wrote: »

One visit per week.

There's no winning here no matter what they do.

No visitors = are you trying to kill my relative with loneliness?

Visitor = are you trying to kill my relative with Covid?

At this stage relieving that loneliness is preferable.

Stheno · 07-12-2020 06:41PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The data would suggest that the reduction of restrictions from Level 5 to Level 3 has been a resounding success.

Eh come back in a weeks time?

Ficheall · 07-12-2020 06:44PM

Arghus wrote: »

One visit per week.

There's no winning here no matter what they do.

No visitors = are you trying to kill my relative with loneliness?

Visitor = are you trying to kill my relative with Covid?

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET card, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

07-12-2020 06:44PM

Eivor wrote: »

No it doesn’t. The restrictions are to stop the hospitals getting overwhelmed. As long as we have enough people vaccinated to stop that happening we won’t need restrictions anymore

They'll move the goalposts though. Its already happening as more and more commentators point out that our hospitals are not near getting overwhelmed, and nor will they be. And that treatments are getting better all the time.

The narrative in support of ongoing restrictions will turn away from hospital capacity toward unknown long term consequences of COVID, even in the young.

Fr_Dougal · 07-12-2020 06:45PM

Stheno wrote: »

Eh come back in a weeks time?

Thanks for the invite. The data suggests that I will come back in a weeks time.

iamwhoiam · 07-12-2020 06:47PM

Ficheall wrote: »

The non-closure of the nursing homes in March is regularly played here as the trump anti-NPHET crowd, and now people are advocating for keeping them open in the depths of winter for a month before many of them will be vaccinated. Do people only visit their nursing home relatives at Christmas or something that now is so crucial to go see them?

For some it absolutely is crucial for the residents to have a family visit
I certainly wouldn’t stand in judgement on anyone who goes to see their wife or mother or granda after months of not seeing them

Thats me · 07-12-2020 06:47PM

Arghus wrote: »

One visit per week.

Multiply per number of nursing home residents if each of them will have visitors.

iamwhoiam · 07-12-2020 06:49PM

Thats me wrote: »

Multiply per number of nursing home residents if each of them will have visitors.

Its very controlled with slots booked online on many care homes . I doubt the visitors cross paths with any other residential

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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