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Mask exemptions and the law

  • 06-12-2020 11:31pm
    #1
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭


    I am one of many people exempt from wearing a face covering.

    Let me also state I am a skeptic of the current reaction to the Covid situation but that does not alter the fact that I and many other are exempt.

    Children and those who fall into certain categories are not required to wear a face covering.

    Refusing service to people who are not required to wear a face covering is breaking the law.

    I have seen it on this board many times that a business can refuse service and yes this is true but if they do it on the grounds of illegal discrimination they are breaking the law and they can be sued for damages.


    Businesses can encourage the use of face coverings but once somebody states they have an exemption by law that is the end of the matter.

    NOBODY has a right to ask the nature of an exemption including the Guards.

    I have had it with the mask Nazis it has put me off going out anywhere.


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  • #2
    SmartinMartin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I have had it with the mask Nazis it has put me off going out anywhere.

    Job done so.


  • #3
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I have had it with the mask Nazis it has put me off going out anywhere.

    Comments like this make me doubt the legitimacy of your "exemption".


  • #4
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    You made it perfectly clear on the Masks thread that you wouldn't wear a mask regardless of any medical exemption, so you can stop hiding behind that excuse.
    But you've sorted it - don't go out and there's no issue.
    Bye now....


  • #5
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I have seen it on this board many times that a business can refuse service and yes this is true but if they do it on the grounds of illegal discrimination they are breaking the law and they can be sued for damages.
    Which law are they breaking? You seem well read up on it, so you should be able to provide it easily

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  • #6
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    I love how you've not even touched on what or how you're supposedly "exempt" from wearing a mask.. .. So many people 'claim' to be, yet I've yet to actually hear a single legitimate reason behind it. This, certainly doesn't seem like it's going to break that streak.


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  • #7
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    jaxxx wrote: »
    I love how you've not even touched on what or how you're supposedly "exempt" from wearing a mask.. .. So many people 'claim' to be, yet I've yet to actually hear a single legitimate reason behind it. This, certainly doesn't seem like it's going to break that streak.

    Because it is 100% none of your buisness that's why.

    That is the problem people need to mind their own business.

    The law is clear.

    From the HSE website all YOU need to know and understand.
    Who should not wear a face covering

    Face coverings are not recommended for anyone who:

    has trouble breathing
    is unconscious or incapacitated
    is unable to remove it without help
    has special needs and who may feel upset or very uncomfortable wearing them
    needs to communicate with someone who has learning difficulties, is hard of hearing or deaf
    In these cases, if the person can wear a visor, it will give them some protection. But these are the only times when you should wear a visor. Cloth face coverings are a better way to protect yourself from COVID-19.

    Read more about visors and face shields

    Exemption letters

    Some workplaces or schools may ask for a medical certificate. But in general, you do not need to ask for a letter from a GP about your reason for not wearing a face covering.


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

    Refusing service to people who are not required to wear a face covering is breaking the law.

    I have seen it on this board many times that a business can refuse service and yes this is true but if they do it on the grounds of illegal discrimination they are breaking the law and they can be sued for damages.

    Which law are they breaking?
    On what grounds would it be discrimination?


  • #9
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The law is clear.

    I'm sure you will have no bother sharing that law with us then.

    Sidenote: I'm lying, I'm absolutely certain there will be extreme bother with sharing that law with us.


  • #10
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I'm sure you will have no bother sharing that law with us then.

    Sidenote: I'm lying, I'm absolutely certain there will be extreme bother with sharing that law with us.

    .

    The Equal Status Acts 2000-2018 ('the Acts') prohibit discrimination in the provision of goods and services, accommodation and education. They cover the nine grounds of gender, marital status, family status, age disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller community.


  • #11
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    jaxxx wrote: »
    I love how you've not even touched on what or how you're supposedly "exempt" from wearing a mask.. .. So many people 'claim' to be, yet I've yet to actually hear a single legitimate reason behind it. This, certainly doesn't seem like it's going to break that streak.

    I saw an absolute scumbag of a human being screaming at a poor McDonalds staff member checking folks for masks.

    'How dare you ask me! I have a medical exemption!'

    'can you show me proof of your exemption sir?'

    'How dare you ask me that! That is a violation of GDPR! That is illegal!'

    :rolleyes:


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  • #12
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Because it is 100% none of your buisness that's why.

    That is the problem people need to mind their own business.

    The law is clear.

    From the HSE website all YOU need to know and understand.
    What's clear is you're talking out of the south pole. But then again that's nothing new with you lot.


  • #13
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I saw an absolute scumbag of a human being screaming at a poor McDonalds staff member checking folks for masks.

    'How dare you ask me! I have a medical exemption!'

    'can you show me proof of your exemption sir?'

    'How dare you ask me that! That is a violation of GDPR! That is illegal!'


    The bit in bold is 100% correct.


  • #14
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy which part of "gender, marital status, family status, age, disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller community" in the Equal Status Act do you think mask wearing comes under?


  • #15
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

    The Equal Status Acts 2000-2018 ('the Acts') prohibit discrimination in the provision of goods and services, accommodation and education. They cover the nine grounds of gender, marital status, family status, age disability, sexual orientation, race, religion, and membership of the Traveller community.

    .

    Which category does the mask stuff fit into?


  • #16
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The bit in bold is 100% correct.
    As if further proof was needed of the 'south pole talking'.. .. ..


  • #17
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The bit in bold is 100% correct.

    What section of GDPR does in contravene?


  • #18
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The bit in bold is 100% correct.

    Laughable. GDPR doesn't come anywhere near it.


  • #19
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The bit in bold is 100% correct.

    It's actually not and just goes to show how much you know about GDPR.

    You're not being discriminated against by the way, just put a mask on and you can go in, nobody is stopping you.

    You're the one making the decision not to go in by not wearing the mask.


  • #20
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    jaxxx wrote: »
    As if further proof was needed of the 'south pole talking'.. .. ..

    Are you a child have you got a mental problem?

    :rolleyes:

    I won't be replying to you again.


  • #21
    Bicyclette
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Bicyclette


    Stay home then please.

    My elderly mother who has a serious cardiac problem can wear hers.

    But then, she isn't unconscious and and is most definitely not intellectually impaired.


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  • #22
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I am one of many people exempt from wearing a face covering.

    Let me also state I am a skeptic of the current reaction to the Covid situation but that does not alter the fact that I and many other are exempt.

    Children and those who fall into certain categories are not required to wear a face covering.

    Refusing service to people who are not required to wear a face covering is breaking the law.

    I have seen it on this board many times that a business can refuse service and yes this is true but if they do it on the grounds of illegal discrimination they are breaking the law and they can be sued for damages.


    Businesses can encourage the use of face coverings but once somebody states they have an exemption by law that is the end of the matter.

    NOBODY has a right to ask the nature of an exemption including the Guards.

    I have had it with the mask Nazis it has put me off going out anywhere.

    I wear my mask to protect YOU. You should return the favour.


  • #23
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Which category does the mask stuff fit into?
    Hmm. Could a case be made for 'conspiracy' under religion? I mean, on the face of it they're 2 separate things entirely but.. .. I certainly don't see it fitting in anywhere else!


  • #24
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    It's a tough one for an adult who's exempt to wear a mask for medical reasons to head out to the shops without one. There's going to be conflict.

    I know lots of people with various ailments from asthma to lung problems and a few with serious illnesses that wear them, my mother included. But I don't know any that can't actually wear a mask over their mouth and nose.

    Can I ask what illness you have that prevents you from wearing one?

    I presume your questionable attitude to the people enforcing it for their own safety that (in fairness) has manifested from you not being able to wear one and getting grief. It would shed more light on your post and stop posters questioning the legitimacy of your claims.


  • #25
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Are you a child have you got a mental problem?

    :rolleyes:

    I won't be replying to you again.


    Says the one who claims GDPR in relation to being asked why you're not wearing a mask.. .. ..


  • #26
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It's a tough one for an adult who's exempt to wear a mask for medical reasons to head out to the shops without one. There's going to be conflict.

    I know lots of people with various ailments from asthma to lung problems and a few with serious illnesses that wear them, my mother included. But I don't know any that can't actually wear a mask over their mouth and nose.

    Can I ask what illness you have that prevents you from wearing one?

    I presume your questionable attitude to the people enforcing it for their own safety that (in fairness) has manifested from you not being able to wear one and getting grief. It would shed more light on your post and stop posters questioning the legitimacy of your claims.

    I don't have to prove anything.

    But yes I 100% can not wear a mask and yes I have tried.


  • #27
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Are you a child have you got a mental problem?

    :rolleyes:

    I won't be replying to you again.

    Lucky guy, getting a response from you exemption.


  • #28
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I am one of many people exempt from wearing a face covering.

    I've no problem with that, there are a lot of people who have genuine reasons for having exemptions. However, if someone is going to claim an exemption they should be required to produce a letter from their GP confirming this. The letter doesn't need to state the reason for the exemption, simply that in their opinion as a medical professional the bearer of the letter should not be required to wear a mask. That then separates those who have legitimate reasons for not wearing masks from the dickheads who scream about their rights being violated or the loons who believe that Covid is being spread by 5G masts.


  • #29
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It's a tough one for an adult who's exempt to wear a mask for medical reasons to head out to the shops without one. There's going to be conflict.

    I know lots of people with various ailments from asthma to lung problems and a few with serious illnesses that wear them, my mother included. But I don't know any that can't actually wear a mask over their mouth and nose.

    Can I ask what illness you have that prevents you from wearing one?

    I presume your questionable attitude to the people enforcing it for their own safety that (in fairness) has manifested from you not being able to wear one and getting grief. It would shed more light on your post and stop posters questioning the legitimacy of your claims.

    I remember someone with a similar arguement saying it was down to anxiety they had while wearing a mask. Made it impossible to wear one.

    Rather than trying to overcome their anxiety in a bid to keep everyone safe, they decided that no, it was them being discriminated against for not being allowed to go mask less so they'd make it everyone else's problem.

    That's literally the only reason I can think for someone not being able to wear one. Aside from actually having to wear some kind of breathing apparatus that would interfere with a mask.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I don't have to prove anything.

    Unfortunately, in some circumstances you kinda do.
    Wearing masks on public transport and certain retail outlets, is mandatory.
    Fines on the spot are being introduced, if you do not wish to get such a fine, then you will have to satisfy a member of An Garda Siochana as to your exemption.


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  • #31
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Zaph wrote: »
    I've no problem with that, there are a lot of people who have genuine reasons, for having exemptions. However, if someone is going to claim an exemption they should be required to produce a letter from their GP confirming this. The letter doesn't need to state the reason for the exemption, simply that in their opinion as a medical professional the bearer of the letter should not be required to wear a mask. That then separates those who have legitimate reasons for not wearing masks from the dickheads who scream about their rights being violated or the loons who believe that Covid is being spread by 5G masts.

    There is no requirement under the guidelines for the bit in bold.

    That bit would keep you happy but loads of dickheads would be demanding something else.

    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?


  • #32
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Pretty sure the Op started a very similar thread before, like many from the anti-mask crowd I suspect he’s just an attention seeker who chooses not to wear a mask because he wants to be challenged.


  • #33
    jaxxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    There is not requirement under the guidelines for the bit in bold.

    That bit would keep you happy but loads of dickheads would be demanding something else.

    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?


    Do you not understand what "should" means?


  • #34
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?

    ...like wearing a mask?


  • #35
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,251 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I am one of many people exempt from wearing a face covering.


    Who gave you this exemption ?

    Do you carry paper work around to show shop owners / bus drivers that you cant wear a mask ?


  • #36
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?

    I get the feeling from your posting history that you find the above extremely difficult yourself, in all scenarios.


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  • #37
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?

    Good advice right there


  • #38
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I don't have to prove anything.

    But yes I 100% can not wear a mask and yes I have tried.

    Yes. Remember this?
    I genuinely find the sensation unbearable and I have tried.

    I wore a mask into a shop a few months ago I ended up leaving the trolly with
    some shopping in one of the aisles and I came out and ripped off the mask.

    Many of us hate wearing them but we just have to man up and do it.


  • #39
    davo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,320 ✭✭✭davo2001


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    How about just obeying and accepting the guidelines that are in place?

    Like the one where you're asked to wear a mask or face covering?


  • #40
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    There is not requirement under the guidelines for the bit in bold.

    And that's a major oversight with the guidelines imo. If there was such a requirement written into them then you would have nothing to fear from those who seek to "discriminate" against you and you could legitimately go about your business without fear of being fined on public transport, for example.


  • #41
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I bet if it was cold enough out youd suddenly be able to cover your face with a scarf.......


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  • #42
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Unfortunately, in some circumstances you kinda do.
    Wearing masks on public transport and certain retail outlets, is mandatory.
    Fines on the spot are being introduced, if you do not wish to get such a fine, then you will have to satisfy a member of An Garda Siochana as to your exemption.

    If a business calls the guards on somebody that is legally exempt they better be prepared to open their wallets.

    Now by law I do not have to prove anything to the guards but faced with the situation I would.

    By the way mandatory does not mean compulsory.

    If I was kicked off a train for example and children who are not masked are allowed to stay that is clear discrimination cut and dried and there is not sensible way to argue otherwise.
    The word 'mandatory' is generally used in the sense of 'binding'. On the other hand, the word 'compulsory' is generally used in the sense of 'essential'. This is the main difference between the two words. It is important to note that anything that is mandatory has the quality of binding the doer to the work.


  • #43
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I bet if it was cold enough out youd suddenly be able to cover your face with a scarf.......

    Why do you post such ****e?


  • #44
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Why do you post such ****e?

    Because people should be called on their bull****.

    Thats what this thread is. Nonsense. You could wear a mask but you dont want to.


  • #45
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If a person feels extreme distress then they don't have to wear one, that's what the guidelines say.

    They're only a thumb-suck anyway.


  • #46
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Pretty sure the Op started a very similar thread before, like many from the anti-mask crowd I suspect he’s just an attention seeker who chooses not to wear a mask because he wants to be challenged.

    I will not engage with you after this post.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    If a business calls the guards on somebody that is legally exempt they better be prepared to open their wallets.

    Now by law I do not have to prove anything to the guards but faced with the situation I would.

    By the way mandatory does not mean compulsory.

    If I was kicked off a train for example and children who are not masked are allowed to stay that is clear discrimination cut and dried and there is not sensible way to argue otherwise.

    I don't know which of your conspiracy theory guru or other grifters is giving you this advice but hey give it a go and let us know how it works out for ya.


  • #48
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Yes. Remember this?



    Many of us hate wearing them but we just have to man up and do it.

    Oh boy, so in reality he just can't handle a bit of cloth on his face. The poor baby.

    Exemption my hole.


  • #49
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    If I was kicked off a train for example and children who are not masked are allowed to stay that is clear discrimination cut and dried and there is not sensible way to argue otherwise.

    Unless you choose to read the HSE guidelines:
    Face coverings are not recommended for children under the age of 13

    Are you a child under the age of 13?


  • #50
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    growleaves wrote: »

    They're only a thumb-suck anyway.

    They stop all the bits of spit flying out of your mouth when you do things as simple as talk.

    Spitting on people spreads germs.


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    If a business calls the guards on somebody that is legally exempt they better be prepared to open their wallets.

    Now by law I do not have to prove anything to the guards but faced with the situation I would.

    By the way mandatory does not mean compulsory.

    If I was kicked off a train for example and children who are not masked are allowed to stay that is clear discrimination cut and dried and there is not sensible way to argue otherwise.

    Mandatory does not mean compulsory? What are you saying?
    It is an offence if you do not wear a mask on public transport and certain retail outlets.
    An offence is something that is against the law, if you have an exemption to such a law then you will need to prove that to the gardai.
    And under which grounds exactly would you due a shop for discrimination?


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