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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • #6632
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,184 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    OS_Head wrote: »
    This is not an MSM story that is trying to sway public opinion to steal an election with false claims. This is hard evidence that will be put up in a court of law. That's a big difference here that you fail to grasp.



    Yep, the 5 most senior roles for Trump and there they are, all women. But never mind that, I find it curious how the party of diversity is making such a big thing of having an all female office. What gives? It's like a badge of honour.

    So why haven't they bought it to court yet? What is this explosive evidence and why are they not showing it? Is this the same type of "hard evidence" that we heard was on the Hinter Biden laptop?

    Whatever happened to that? Doesn't even get a mention anymore but a month ago there was so much "hard evidence" on that laptop that would ensure Hunters prosecution and Joe Biden being annihilated in the election.


  • #6633
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    When?

    Probably immediately after the (Remember this??) great Health Plan that Trump has been teasing out (for years!!) as being published 'shortly' and in the 'next two weeks', but never comes!


  • #6634
    Quin_Dub
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Precedent is Al Franken in 2008 / 2009. You sit out and the senate goes on without the seat until certification is confirmed and the winner can be sworn in.

    Ah , ok - So Perdue/Loeffler are no longer Senators after January 4th when the new Senate is seated so no one can fill the seats until the election is certified.

    In that case , the GOP would remain in control , 50-48 with the 2 abstentions and McConnell would still be Senate Majority leader.

    In a scenario where the two GOP candidates lost and their objections are as absent of evidence as Trump , I wonder would any GOP Senator (Romney maybe) cross the aisle and vote for Schumer as Majority leader?

    It would only need one to flip over with the VP casting vote?


  • #6635
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    OS_Head wrote: »
    You're quoting a BS WAPO story. Let me follow up with who these based pedes are? I'll answer, just in case someone doesn't get it. This is Trumps current Senior Whitehouse Press Staff. I kid you not.

    535100.jpg

    A Photo that conveniently leaves out Brian Morgenstern , current Deputy Press Secretary , who replaced Hogan Gidley who left to work on the Trump campaign.


  • #6636
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Ah , ok - So Perdue/Loeffler are no longer Senators after January 4th when the new Senate is seated so no one can fill the seats until the election is certified.

    In that case , the GOP would remain in control , 50-48 with the 2 abstentions and McConnell would still be Senate Majority leader.

    In a scenario where the two GOP candidates lost and their objections are as absent of evidence as Trump , I wonder would any GOP Senator (Romney maybe) cross the aisle and vote for Schumer as Majority leader?

    It would only need one to flip over with the VP casting vote?

    Do they need to vote for the Majority Leader? Both McConnel and Schumer have already been voted by their respective parties' Senators as their leaders in the next Senate. Once one Party or another takes the Majority, that Party's leader automatically becomes Majority Leader. Am I right?


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  • #6637
    Quin_Dub
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    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Do they need to vote for the Majority Leader? Both McConnel and Schumer have already been voted by their respective parties' Senators as their leaders in the next Senate. Once one Party or another takes the Majority, that Party's leader automatically becomes Majority Leader. Am I right?

    Actually , you might be right.. but I thought that there was at least a "pro-forma" vote..


  • #6638
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    OS_Head wrote: »
    GEORGIA: 2,056 felons illegally voted 66,248 under 18 voted 2,423 weren’t registered at all 1,043 used a PO Box 4,926 voted past the reg. date 10,315 died before the election 395 voted in two states 15,700 moved out of state 40,279 changed county and didn’t re-register to vote. Nope, no wide spread fraud here that would change the course of the election. Now move along please...

    https://streamable.com/4gcp0i
    Your post is as devoid of supporting evidence as the (at the last count) 41 cases lost in court. All of this crap gets trotted out in fora where there are no penalties for lying and disappear like a fart in the wind when there's the looming possibility of lawyers facing penalties for perjury. It's no surprise that the only lawyers taking on these cases are as close to the bottom of the barrel as you can get without going right through the damn thing. It has gone past the level of farce and is now downright boring. Trump is grifting like mad and his enablers are there for just as long as they can get their rotten share of the spoils.


  • #6639
    Quin_Dub
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Your post is as devoid of supporting evidence as the (at the last count) 41 cases lost in court. All of this crap gets trotted out in fora where there are no penalties for lying and disappear like a fart in the wind when there's the looming possibility of lawyers facing penalties for perjury. It's no surprise that the only lawyers taking on these cases are as close to the bottom of the barrel as you can get without going right through the damn thing. It has gone past the level of farce and is now downright boring. Trump is grifting like mad and his enablers are there for just as long as they can get their rotten share of the spoils.

    From what I can see , this is a bunch of random accusations that were thrown out at a "hearing" in Georgia yesterday.

    It also looks like Brian Kemp is throwing Raffensperger under the bus as well. Pressing for a "Signature Audit" but saying that only the Secretary of State can do that.

    This despite Raffensperger already saying that he can't order one, it would have to be ordered by a judge and even then would be near impossible to do.

    They really are turning on each other over this...


  • #6640
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    From what I can see , this is a bunch of random accusations that were thrown out at a "hearing" in Georgia yesterday.

    It also looks like Brian Kemp is throwing Raffensperger under the bus as well. Pressing for a "Signature Audit" but saying that only the Secretary of State can do that.

    This despite Raffensperger already saying that he can't order one, it would have to be ordered by a judge and even then would be near impossible to do.

    They really are turning on each other over this...
    I don't have to read those links to know that such an 'audit' would destroy the secrecy of the ballot. There's a reason that mail-in ballots have the signature on the outer envelope. And that's the reason it can only be checked once, before the ballot is actually counted and in a different location.


  • #6641
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    I do not believe these people were selected based on qualifications and experience.
    Its wokery identity politics, picking people because of their race and gender.

    So you're incredulous that women, people of colour, etc might actually be qualified for highly skilled and demanding roles. Says a lot, just not about who you think it does.

    And I can't help but notice that you don't seem to have had any problem with Trump constantly filling positions with wildly unqualified and inexperienced people over the last few years. Then again those were largely white, so it correlates.


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  • #6642
    Quin_Dub
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I don't have to read those links to know that such an 'audit' would destroy the secrecy of the ballot. There's a reason that mail-in ballots have the signature on the outer envelope. And that's the reason it can only be checked once, before the ballot is actually counted and in a different location.

    Exactly , the point is that the audit is impossible because of the steps taken to preserve the secrecy of the ballot.

    They check the signatures on the ballots on two separate occasions and then when the envelope is opened the ballot and envelope are separated and cannot be linked back together.

    Both are kept secure after that, but if they went back now and audited the signatures again and found ones that they were unhappy with, it is completely and utterly impossible to link that envelope back to a specific ballot.


  • #6643
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I don't have to read those links to know that such an 'audit' would destroy the secrecy of the ballot. There's a reason that mail-in ballots have the signature on the outer envelope. And that's the reason it can only be checked once, before the ballot is actually counted and in a different location.

    All involved know that it is practically impossible to do, even if were legal or desirable. Its simply part of the ongoing farcical attempts by Trump and his goons to keep the corpse of his Presidency seeming to be alive, primarily to keep cult $$$ flowing in. Every time another one of these absolutely BS 'hearings' is held, and/or Powell or Giuliani 'legal' challenge is filed, the RNC and Trump PAC goes Ca-chinggggg!!!


  • #6644
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    OS_Head wrote: »
    If you think the election winner has been decided you are mistaken. Not your fault, it's the News Media bubble you live in.

    "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"


  • #6645
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

    Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality


  • #6646
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭jamule


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

    quoting biblish to trimpishts is pointless, they only do sarcasm not parables, its not like its gospel.


  • #6647
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    So you're incredulous that women, people of colour, etc might actually be qualified for highly skilled and demanding roles. Says a lot, just not about who you think it does.

    And I can't help but notice that you don't seem to have had any problem with Trump constantly filling positions with wildly unqualified and inexperienced people over the last few years. Then again those were largely white, so it correlates.

    When you and others on the left are not busy admonishing the rest of us to be "civil" in our discussions of political issues, you are busy letting loose insults, accusations and smears against those who dare to disagree with you.


  • #6648
    [Deleted User]
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left are not busy admonishing the rest of us to be "civil" in our discussions of political issues, you are busy letting loose insults, accusations and smears against those who dare to disagree with you.

    One thing that Biden has done is certainly trigger people on here who have issues with women and people who aren't white into having hissy fits.


  • #6649
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left are not busy admonishing the rest of us to be "civil" in our discussions of political issues, you are busy letting loose insults, accusations and smears against those who dare to disagree with you.

    You have about a dozen posts by looks of things that are complaining about highly qualified people have been appointed to roles in the Biden administration. You've implied they're not qualified for the roles and the primary reason they got the roles are because of their race or gender. You've even picked on the fact that one of them wasn't born in America. On top of that, you appear to have a pretty long history of finding the entire idea of BLM abhorrent. I would say your motivations are pretty and nasty.


    By the way, most of that press team for example have previously worked with Biden or Harris in the past... It's almost as if they're hiring highly qualified people that they know who can hit the ground running....


  • #6650
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    One thing that Biden has done is certainly trigger people on here who have issues with women and people who aren't white into having hissy fits.

    And Joe still weeks away from taking the reins... Dunno how these folks will cope at all when President Joe starts signing Executive Orders!!!


  • #6651
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You have about a dozen posts by looks of things that are complaining about highly qualified people have been appointed to roles in the Biden administration. You've implied they're not qualified for the roles and the primary reason they got the roles are because of their race or gender. You've even picked on the fact that one of them wasn't born in America. On top of that, you appear to have a pretty long history of finding the entire idea of BLM abhorrent. I would say your motivations are pretty and nasty.


    <b>By the way, most of that press team for example have previously worked with Biden or Harris in the past... It's almost as if they're hiring highly qualified people that they know who can hit the ground running....</b>

    Wow! That's a strange way to operate!

    Next thing you'll find is that President Joe will actually be a POTUS of/for ALL Americans, and not just a tool of a few! Strange times ahead indeed!


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  • #6652
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

    Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality

    It always struck me as an awkward fit that the Hero in their theory was actually the person in the seat of power. Typically the hero is an actual outsider without any real power.

    I think when Trump is no longer President it will, unfortunately, only turbo-charge the movement. I mean sure it doesn't fit in with the story that they had been spinning all along but it's not like rational people were attracted to this in the first place.


  • #6653
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would say your motivations are petty and nasty.

    A typical nasty and personal remark from you.


  • #6654
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left/quote]

    Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"? "Left" by Irish standards? American? Left of Republicans? Left of Trump? Left of whatever ideas the particular poster holds dear? Its truly baffling.

    I think Trump is terrible human being, a 3rd rate conman, a failure as businessman and POTUS. Am I now left because I believe the above?


  • #6655
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

    Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality

    I was watching a stream from a lawyer a few days ago who was fairly balanced and was saying it has been decided was getting it in the neck from his viewers. The 2 comments I loved was 1. The constitution says you have to have a presidents but it doesn't say how many. His answer was it says a president which means one.

    2. Trump should sack all those democratic lawyers and hire republicans. His answer you need to see how the law works


  • #6656
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"?

    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??


  • #6657
    pixelburp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What even IS the criticism here? Biden seems to have picked well qualified people, but because they betray a likely tactic of inclusion this is worth criticism ... ... because? Beyond fatuous snark about PC this n that I don't see the angle. I wouldn't mind if they were a bunch of Sarah Palins but by all accounts they seem to have good CVs and prior relevent experience. It's the boring work of assembling a competent government; truly discussion is starved for outrage if a lopsided number of vaginas in a lineup if civil servants is somehow worthy of contempt.


  • #6658
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??
    They usually declare themselves. Generally up front, but often with fact free posts.


  • #6659
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,179 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.


  • #6660
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    looksee wrote: »
    There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.

    Amen. And you know, when he does well, Trump supporters will not acknowledge it. I'm sure he can live with that. I personally am delighted for Amerca that they have an intelligent leader at the helm.


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  • #6661
    Midlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??

    I'm fairness, you're actively giving out about CNN, those on the left, BLM, Biden.

    You can understand why people would assume you're a Trump fan.

    Maybe you can show us all the posts where you gave about his administration, those on the right, fox news and his pretty much all-white appointments.


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