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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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    #6692
    [Deleted User]
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left are not busy admonishing the rest of us to be "civil" in our discussions of political issues, you are busy letting loose insults, accusations and smears against those who dare to disagree with you.

    One thing that Biden has done is certainly trigger people on here who have issues with women and people who aren't white into having hissy fits.


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    #6693
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left are not busy admonishing the rest of us to be "civil" in our discussions of political issues, you are busy letting loose insults, accusations and smears against those who dare to disagree with you.

    You have about a dozen posts by looks of things that are complaining about highly qualified people have been appointed to roles in the Biden administration. You've implied they're not qualified for the roles and the primary reason they got the roles are because of their race or gender. You've even picked on the fact that one of them wasn't born in America. On top of that, you appear to have a pretty long history of finding the entire idea of BLM abhorrent. I would say your motivations are pretty and nasty.


    By the way, most of that press team for example have previously worked with Biden or Harris in the past... It's almost as if they're hiring highly qualified people that they know who can hit the ground running....


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    #6694
    TomOnBoard
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    One thing that Biden has done is certainly trigger people on here who have issues with women and people who aren't white into having hissy fits.

    And Joe still weeks away from taking the reins... Dunno how these folks will cope at all when President Joe starts signing Executive Orders!!!


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    #6695
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You have about a dozen posts by looks of things that are complaining about highly qualified people have been appointed to roles in the Biden administration. You've implied they're not qualified for the roles and the primary reason they got the roles are because of their race or gender. You've even picked on the fact that one of them wasn't born in America. On top of that, you appear to have a pretty long history of finding the entire idea of BLM abhorrent. I would say your motivations are pretty and nasty.


    <b>By the way, most of that press team for example have previously worked with Biden or Harris in the past... It's almost as if they're hiring highly qualified people that they know who can hit the ground running....</b>

    Wow! That's a strange way to operate!

    Next thing you'll find is that President Joe will actually be a POTUS of/for ALL Americans, and not just a tool of a few! Strange times ahead indeed!


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    #6696
    Brussels Sprout
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    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

    Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality

    It always struck me as an awkward fit that the Hero in their theory was actually the person in the seat of power. Typically the hero is an actual outsider without any real power.

    I think when Trump is no longer President it will, unfortunately, only turbo-charge the movement. I mean sure it doesn't fit in with the story that they had been spinning all along but it's not like rational people were attracted to this in the first place.


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    #6697
    MisterAnarchy
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would say your motivations are petty and nasty.

    A typical nasty and personal remark from you.


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    #6698
    relax carry on
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    When you and others on the left/quote]

    Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"? "Left" by Irish standards? American? Left of Republicans? Left of Trump? Left of whatever ideas the particular poster holds dear? Its truly baffling.

    I think Trump is terrible human being, a 3rd rate conman, a failure as businessman and POTUS. Am I now left because I believe the above?


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    #6699
    martingriff
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    one armed dwarf wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

    Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality

    I was watching a stream from a lawyer a few days ago who was fairly balanced and was saying it has been decided was getting it in the neck from his viewers. The 2 comments I loved was 1. The constitution says you have to have a presidents but it doesn't say how many. His answer was it says a president which means one.

    2. Trump should sack all those democratic lawyers and hire republicans. His answer you need to see how the law works


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    #6700
    MisterAnarchy
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    Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"?

    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??


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    #6701
    pixelburp
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    What even IS the criticism here? Biden seems to have picked well qualified people, but because they betray a likely tactic of inclusion this is worth criticism ... ... because? Beyond fatuous snark about PC this n that I don't see the angle. I wouldn't mind if they were a bunch of Sarah Palins but by all accounts they seem to have good CVs and prior relevent experience. It's the boring work of assembling a competent government; truly discussion is starved for outrage if a lopsided number of vaginas in a lineup if civil servants is somehow worthy of contempt.


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    #6702
    prawnsambo
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??
    They usually declare themselves. Generally up front, but often with fact free posts.


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    #6703
    looksee
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    There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.


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    #6704
    Windmill100000
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    looksee wrote: »
    There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.

    Amen. And you know, when he does well, Trump supporters will not acknowledge it. I'm sure he can live with that. I personally am delighted for Amerca that they have an intelligent leader at the helm.


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    #6705
    Midlife
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??

    I'm fairness, you're actively giving out about CNN, those on the left, BLM, Biden.

    You can understand why people would assume you're a Trump fan.

    Maybe you can show us all the posts where you gave about his administration, those on the right, fox news and his pretty much all-white appointments.


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    #6706
    eire4
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    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    Trump has set the bar so low that a roomful of monkeys typing randomly on typewriters acting as hilarious random number generator connected to a yes/no light for any executive/presidential decision would do a better job of running the US.

    Not only is Trump a terrible president he was willfully so. Sort of how premeditated murder is a worse offence than manslaughter

    Funny post gave me a good laugh but sadly so very true as well. There was a time when I used to think of the US as a country to look up to and admire. Now I just shake my head and think what a disaster and that is being generous.


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    #6707
    Igotadose
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    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    One thing missed in all the noise is that Puerto Rico voted for statehood with 53% vote

    So we now could endup with 52 states (+DC as well)
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/06/washington_must_grant_puerto_rico_statehood_finally_144793.html

    This is a real big deal, would've been top news in a normal election.

    Now, the gaming of the process begins; Congress already approved DC.

    That Georgia election has become hypercritical. F*ck the voters of Maine who didn't boot Susan Collins.


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    #6708
    Francie Barrett
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    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    One thing missed in all the noise is that Puerto Rico voted for statehood with 53% vote

    So we now could endup with 52 states (+DC as well)
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/06/washington_must_grant_puerto_rico_statehood_finally_144793.html
    That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.


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    #6709
    prawnsambo
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.
    It definitely should happen for Puerto Rico if only to give them some status within the USA. Very much treated as a second-class citizen as are the PRs themselves. Not sure of the process, is it like the one for Constitutional amendments?


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    #6710
    Quin_Dub
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    It definitely should happen for Puerto Rico if only to give them some status within the USA. Very much treated as a second-class citizen as are the PRs themselves. Not sure of the process, is it like the one for Constitutional amendments?

    As far as I can see , it's just an act of congress - So a Vote passed in each House and it's done.


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    #6711
    MJohnston
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    The Republicans actually had support for Puerto Rico statehood in their 2016 platform (this part of which they didn't modify for 2020). There are probably enough Republican votes in the Senate for it to happen. The problem is, as ever, Mitch McConnell, who won't bring it to a vote.


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    #6712
    dogbert27
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    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.

    You mean like when the UK government didn't have to act on the Brexit Referendum! :)


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    #6713
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    Once they're part of the states I wouldn't expect Puerto Rico to be completely Blue. Would have 5 or 6 seats in congress, could well have 2 of them be GOP. Senate might be both Blue at the the start.
    GOP have little interest in allowing DC in though.


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    #6714
    Brussels Sprout
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    49/50 states have now certified their results. Missouri is the final one. I cannot think why - it wasn't particularly close. Georgia managed 2 recounts in the same time.


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    #6715
    MJohnston
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    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    49/50 states have now certified their results. Missouri is the final one. I cannot think why - it wasn't particularly close. Georgia managed 2 recounts in the same time.

    In general, the less close a state is, the slower it counted. They put less resources into counting because there is less uncertainty about the outcome.

    It's why most of the 'safe' red or blue states were called essentially as soon as voting closed, regardless of whether counting had begun or not.


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    #6716
    dogbert27
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    Supreme court rejects Republican demands to overturn Pennsylvania

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032445/Supreme-Court-REJECTS-Republican-demand-overturn-Joe-Bidens-victory-Pennsylvania.html

    I wonder if Ken Paxton is fishing for a pardon!!


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    #6717
    dogbert27
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    Supreme court rejects Republican demands to overturn Pennsylvania

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032445/Supreme-Court-REJECTS-Republican-demand-overturn-Joe-Bidens-victory-Pennsylvania.html

    I wonder if Ken Paxton is fishing for a pardon!!


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    #6718
    BonnieSituation
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    It just never ends:
    The Irish Times wrote:
    The state of Texas, aiming to help US president Donald Trump upend the results of the election, said on Tuesday it has sued Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin at the supreme court, calling changes those states made to election procedures amid the coronavirus pandemic unlawful.

    The long-shot lawsuit, announced by the Republican attorney general of Texas Ken Paxton, was being filed directly with the supreme court rather than with a lower court, as is permitted for certain litigation between states. The supreme court has a 6-3 conservative majority including three justices appointed by Mr Trump.

    The legal action represents the latest effort intended to reverse the Republican president’s loss to Democratic president-elect Joe Biden in the November 3rd election. Those efforts have so far failed and experts said the Texas suit is also unlikely to succeed.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/texas-asks-us-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-1.4431137

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    The futility of all of this just beggars belief.

    When does it end?


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    #6719
    MJohnston
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    Well yesterday was the "Safe Harbor Deadline", which is a bit of a legal deadline in terms of challenging the results in state courts, although pending lawsuits can continue.

    Monday December 14th is when the Electoral College will vote. There shouldn't be any hiccups here because all the states have certified, and the states Biden won will send Democrat electors.

    January 6th is when Congress counts the electoral votes, more of a ceremonial process than anything. Congresspeople can challenge the count, but both the House and Senate would have to vote to uphold any challenge, and that won't happen.


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    #6720
    Igotadose
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    It just never ends:




    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/texas-asks-us-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-1.4431137

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    The futility of all of this just beggars belief.

    When does it end?

    With the recent USSC ruling the message is clear - stop wasting the court's time.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/trump-election-fraud-claims-supreme-court-rebuke/index.html


    Great quote from that article: "The only questions now are how many more times President Donald Trump wants to lose the election to President-elect Joe Biden "


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    #6721
    Quin_Dub
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    With the recent USSC ruling the message is clear - stop wasting the court's time.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/trump-election-fraud-claims-supreme-court-rebuke/index.html


    Great quote from that article: "The only questions now are how many more times President Donald Trump wants to lose the election to President-elect Joe Biden "

    Hopefully they'll bounce the rubbish from Texas/Paxton very shortly as well.


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