Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

MrStuffins · 01-12-2020 10:52PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

Yet. I can - or could - walk into my local and within a short time have a chat; human contact; welcome interaction.

A) Just because you can do this, does not make it the only place to have social interaction.

Just because your mates live abroad, does not make pubs essential.

fin12 · 01-12-2020 10:54PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Can you only see friends and family in a pub? Why is that?

Cause some people don’t have a home, also can’t have visitors for what ever reason. So ur hardly going to be hanging around a park late at night meeting up, most community centers / gaa club house are locked at night. Cafes close early, libabry close early. Cinema can’t talk in one. Restaurant might not be an option cause plenty of people can’t afford to eat out.

MrStuffins · 01-12-2020 10:55PM

fin12 wrote: »

Cause some people don’t have a home

Sorry, are you saying that pubs are essential to the homeless?

the rock29 · 01-12-2020 10:57PM

Pubs are for social interaction humans are soical creatures

fin12 · 01-12-2020 10:57PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Sorry, are you saying that pubs are essential to the homeless?

I’m talking about a place where people can socialize, if I don’t have a home u can’t have visitors so where u going to meet people at night? If meeting up during the day isn’t an option.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-12-2020 11:00PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

You know what, I’m the bigger person - I’ll throw you a bone.

I have no family. My friends are not in my town or even county.

Yet. I can - or could - walk into my local and within a short time have a chat; human contact; welcome interaction.

I’m not unique in this situation; there are hundreds of thousands more. For people to blithely say that this is rubbish do not give one ****e for the mental health of those who have no one.

Thank you for being such a big person that you offered an argument for the assertion you made previously. I had no idea that would make one a bigger person, I thought it was normal to be able to make an argument...

Thank you for that, even though I real really doubt the assertion that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have no friends or family and only get their chat in pubs. But exaggeration aside, I’ll assume your point is genuine, you have no family or friends, and you can’t get human contact any other way.

Am I to assume you’ve tried other ways to get human contact? Like, what ways have you tried and failed to get human contact?

I would say that most people can get human contact in lots of ways that don’t need a pub. How is it that your only way to get human contact is in the pub?

MrStuffins · 01-12-2020 11:03PM

the rock29 wrote: »

Pubs are for social interaction humans are soical creatures

My martial arts class is also for social interaction. It's not essential though.

fin12 wrote: »

so where u going to meet people at night?

You wanting to meet people at night isn't essential.

It's pretty clear nobody has a convincing argument for pubs being essential. I see the normal crew liking posts but are being VERY quiet. Strange that!

fin12 · 01-12-2020 11:08PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

My martial arts class is also for social interaction. It's not essential though.

You wanting to meet people at night isn't essential.

It's pretty clear nobody has a convincing argument for pubs being essential. I see the normal crew liking posts but are being VERY quiet. Strange that!

Because u deem them non essential , you are not going to be open to any argument. Might aswell be talking to a brick wall.

fin12 · 01-12-2020 11:10PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Thank you for being such a big person that you offered an argument for the assertion you made previously. I had no idea that would make one a bigger person, I thought it was normal to be able to make an argument...

Thank you for that, even though I real really doubt the assertion that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have no friends or family and only get their chat in pubs. But exaggeration aside, I’ll assume your point is genuine, you have no family or friends, and you can’t get human contact any other way.

Am I to assume you’ve tried other ways to get human contact? Like, what ways have you tried and failed to get human contact?

I would say that most people can get human contact in lots of ways that don’t need a pub. How is it that your only way to get human contact is in the pub?

Funny lots of people source human contact online but when it comes to meeting up, is usually done in a pub/ restaurant setting. We are talking about physical socializing here. Phone calls, zoom calls will never replace face to face meetings no matter how much society wants to ram technology down our throats.

MrStuffins · 01-12-2020 11:11PM

fin12 wrote: »

Because u deem them non essential , you are not going to be open to any argument. Might aswell be talking to a brick wall.

I'm open to arguments. I'm asking for them, and I appreciate you putting one forward because others are lurking and liking posts without actually putting anything out there.

However, your argument is not strong enough and, in fact, only barely qualifies are an argument.

You wanting to meet people at night, during a pandemic where meeting people is detrimental, is not essential!

Ted_YNWA · 01-12-2020 11:12PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I wouldn't go as far as to say Tenzor07 hates himself, but I do sense a persecution complex

Mod

Threadbanned

Do not post in this thread again.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-12-2020 11:14PM

fin12 wrote: »

Cause some people don’t have a home, also can’t have visitors for what ever reason. So ur hardly going to be hanging around a park late at night meeting up, most community centers / gaa club house are locked at night. Cafes close early, libabry close early. Cinema can’t talk in one. Restaurant might not be an option cause plenty of people can’t afford to eat out.

If we’re starting from a subset of homeless people then were talking about a fairly small group. But are we also assuming these people have nobody to phone and chat with? Nobody they could go for a walk with? Anything to get through the next few months until the vaccine is rolled out sufficiently?

El_Duderino 09 · 01-12-2020 11:17PM

fin12 wrote: »

Funny lots of people source human contact online but when it comes to meeting up, is usually done in a pub/ restaurant setting. We are talking about physical socializing here. Phone calls, zoom calls will never replace face to face meetings no matter how much society wants to ram technology down our throats.

Online contact doesn’t have to replace physical contact in the long term, but it’s much better than nothing in the short term. And we are only talking a few months at this stage. The end really is in sight as the vaccines seem to work.

I don’t know if technology is being rammed down our throats. Nobody is forcing me to use Boards. Is someone forcing you to post or are you doing so by choice?

Dickie10 · 01-12-2020 11:20PM

the dream was so vivid i can remember the people in it and th drinks they were having and everything

fin12 · 01-12-2020 11:23PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Online contact doesn’t have to replace physical contact in the long term, but it’s much better than nothing in the short term. And we are only talking a few months at this stage. The end really is in sight as the vaccines seem to work.

I don’t know if technology is being rammed down our throats. Nobody is forcing me to use Boards. Is someone forcing you to post or are you doing so by choice?

No I like using boards but it’s nothing compared to hanging out physically with people.

Sorry I wouldn’t believe a thing this government say about timescales, I have myself geared for not being back to normal till 2022.

lcstress2012 · 01-12-2020 11:40PM

TheRedDevil10 wrote: »

Guidelines attached

It says nothing about time limits, so how long can we stay or is it at discretion of the restaurant?

mightyreds · 01-12-2020 11:43PM

lcstress2012 wrote: »

It says nothing about time limits, so how long can we stay or is it at discretion of the restaurant?

If the restaurant is really busy you have 2hrs minus 15 minutes tidy up time , if it's quiet stay as long as you want.

Gervais08 · 01-12-2020 11:46PM

mightyreds wrote: »

If the restaurant is really busy you have 2hrs minus 15 minutes tidy up time , if it's quiet stay as long as you want.

My local is opening Friday and isn’t imposing limits - their only rule is “be sound”.

I’m off work Friday as I was meant to up North scattering my Dad’s ashes and they have severe restrictions at the minute.

I’ll call in and while away a few hours with a book, a chat and swapping a few racing tips!

weldoninhio · 01-12-2020 11:52PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I sense a persecution complex in your posts. Pubs are non-essential. There hasn't been a single worthwhile argument from any poster here to say they are. Old lads wanting a few pints does not make them essential.

You seem to think that anyone disagreeing with you is "looking down on rural pubs". To be honest, I have no idea where you've got this from.

Also, I'm not sure where you've got "Restaupubs" from but you're trying too hard. It's not gonna catch on my friend. Not catchy enough!

Hairdressers - non essential.
Florists - non essential.
Nail and beauty salons - non essential.
Penney’s - non essential.
Gastropubs - non essential.
Toy Shops - non essential.
Soft Furnishing stores - non essential.
Electrics stores eg Curry’s, DID etc - non essential.

Loads of non-essential stuff is open. Non-essential means nothing.

rubadub · 02-12-2020 12:36AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Loads of non-essential stuff is open. Non-essential means nothing.

from another very similar thread, so I think is valid here (if you disagree please let me know why)

weldoninhio wrote: »

No one has mentioned nightclubs opening since the start of Covid. Yet bs artists like yourself drop them in every now and again as if people are pushing for them. No one expects a nightclub to open.

What particular issue do you have with nightclubs? or issue you think others have?

I imagine many have "mentioned them" maybe not in this thread, I am mentioning them now. So what is the issue? I already asked in this thread and was ignored (as I expected), probably will be again... Everybody should feel free to explain, I am especially interested in those who think pubs should be able to open with no seating requirement but think nightclubs should remain closed.

vafankillar · 02-12-2020 02:05AM

what's last order times for the new resrictions?

Gervais08 · 02-12-2020 02:07AM

vafankillar wrote: »

what's last order times for the new resrictions?

My local is 10pm, not sure if that’s typical or demanded thought sorry.

Drifter50 · 02-12-2020 09:00AM

Perhaps one of the mods need to look at the way a number of posters have taken this thread away from discussing pubs and their reopening to a sort of social discussion about interaction between adults

For my tuppenceworth, nobody is forced to go to the pub to meet people and talk to them, the point is that it is easier. Its somewhat simpler to drop into the pub and have a quiet hour chatting to some people, watching some footie on the TV, whatever. I don`t want to be inviting people I would consider acquaintances not friends into my home. Also I have a family that call the Gardai on each other, report each other to the Revenue etc etc etc so I really don`t want to mix with them unless I absolutely have to at weddings funerals and so on..

Back to the pubs and I really look forward to the traditional pubs being open again. I suppose I`m lucky the 3 pubs close to me while smaller in size all do food and will reopen while the next village a couple of miles away just have 4 traditional pubs, have been closed since March excepts for 2 weeks and now are becoming more and more unlikely to reopen. They are the publicans who we need to support.

bucketybuck · 02-12-2020 09:16AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If we’re starting from a subset of homeless people then were talking about a fairly small group. But are we also assuming these people have nobody to phone and chat with? Nobody they could go for a walk with? Anything to get through the next few months until the vaccine is rolled out sufficiently?

As with so many posts on here it all boils down to one simple thing: "I'm alright Jack".

Another person who likely is barely affected by the entire scenario but has decided to call into question the troubles of those who are.

"Why don't they just pick up the phone and chat to somebody". "Why don't they just go for a walk with somebody". "Thats what I would do".

Well, bully for you, with your family and your job and your home and your settled social circle. But it would do no harm to wrap your head around the idea that the number of people without those things are not a "fairly small group".

weldoninhio · 02-12-2020 10:06AM

rubadub wrote: »

from another very similar thread, so I think is valid here (if you disagree please let me know why)

What particular issue do you have with nightclubs? or issue you think others have?

I imagine many have "mentioned them" maybe not in this thread, I am mentioning them now. So what is the issue? I already asked in this thread and was ignored (as I expected), probably will be again... Everybody should feel free to explain, I am especially interested in those who think pubs should be able to open with no seating requirement but think nightclubs should remain closed.

Has anyone asked for a pub to be opened with no seating requirements?

You go to a nightclub to meet, mingle and hopefully get a kiss/ride. You don't go to a nightclub to sit sedately and have a few drinks and a chat. I'd have no issue with late bars being opened either, once the restrictions remained in place. Not everyone works 9-5.

Scoundrel · 02-12-2020 10:42AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

My local is opening Friday and isn’t imposing limits - their only rule is “be sound”.

I’m off work Friday as I was meant to up North scattering my Dad’s ashes and they have severe restrictions at the minute.

I’ll call in and while away a few hours with a book, a chat and swapping a few racing tips!

Good man yourself you march down there Friday and enjoy yourself and go back Saturday and Sunday if you want to and all don't pay any heed to the doom merchants and smug know it alls on here and if you get any decent tips don't be afraid to tell me!

I'm booked in Sunday myself have Monday off work haven't seen my mates in months I literally cannot wait for it.

02-12-2020 10:47AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

That seems quite extreme. May I ask what exactly you are basing this on?

My logic is based on knowing what "essential" means. Pubs are not essential.

What's essential for a proposed 3 week lockdown in March 2020 and what's essential in a plan that could last 2 years are very very different things.

SB71 · 02-12-2020 10:52AM

The anti pub brigade are welcome to stay at home cursing while the rest of us enjoy our Christmas drinks, a rake of gargle will be had

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 02-12-2020 11:01AM

What about them creamy and delicious pints?

Gervais08 · 02-12-2020 11:04AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

What about them creamy and delicious pints?

I drink Peroni - if they’re creamy the pipes are off!!!

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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