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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #7172
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Aww, my poor tiny mind remains closed for lack of explanation as to the reason pubs are essential.

    I'm on mobile and there are now 600 pages.

    Not a single legitimate reason as to why pubs are essential


  • #7173
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    socialising with friends and family.

    i only see my mates to go for a pint.

    Can you only see friends and family in a pub? Why is that?


  • #7174
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Can you only see friends and family in a pub? Why is that?

    Also, even if he really meant this, and genuinely thought that the only possible place he could meet his friends and family was the pub, that doesn't make it true.

    I know a lad who "knows" that the moon is a base for a race of secret lizard overlords..... doesn't make him right!


  • #7175
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Can you only see friends and family in a pub? Why is that?

    You know what, I’m the bigger person - I’ll throw you a bone.

    I have no family. My friends are not in my town or even county.

    Yet. I can - or could - walk into my local and within a short time have a chat; human contact; welcome interaction.

    I’m not unique in this situation; there are hundreds of thousands more. For people to blithely say that this is rubbish do not give one ****e for the mental health of those who have no one.


  • #7176
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Some lads on here won't be satisfied unless everyone else in the country locks themselves in their rooms and becomes miserable bastards just like them.

    While that certain to get a few likes from the usual suspects, it’s not true.

    I’ll be happy for pubs or reopen when it’s a sensible, safe thing to do. And the vaccine is the key to making that happen. Hope’s the rollout goes smoothly and lots of business can get back to normal.

    It’s not just pubs that will benefit, all the o the other things you and I both look forward to will be able to get back towards normalcy in the next few months with a bit of luck the vaccines are effective and they can be rolled out successfully.


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  • #7177
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    Yet. I can - or could - walk into my local and within a short time have a chat; human contact; welcome interaction.

    A) Just because you can do this, does not make it the only place to have social interaction.

    B) Just because your mates live abroad, does not make pubs essential.


  • #7178
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Can you only see friends and family in a pub? Why is that?

    Cause some people don’t have a home, also can’t have visitors for what ever reason. So ur hardly going to be hanging around a park late at night meeting up, most community centers / gaa club house are locked at night. Cafes close early, libabry close early. Cinema can’t talk in one. Restaurant might not be an option cause plenty of people can’t afford to eat out.


  • #7179
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    fin12 wrote: »
    Cause some people don’t have a home

    Sorry, are you saying that pubs are essential to the homeless?


  • #7180
    the rock29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭the rock29


    Pubs are for social interaction humans are soical creatures


  • #7181
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Sorry, are you saying that pubs are essential to the homeless?

    I’m talking about a place where people can socialize, if I don’t have a home u can’t have visitors so where u going to meet people at night? If meeting up during the day isn’t an option.


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  • #7182
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    You know what, I’m the bigger person - I’ll throw you a bone.

    I have no family. My friends are not in my town or even county.

    Yet. I can - or could - walk into my local and within a short time have a chat; human contact; welcome interaction.

    I’m not unique in this situation; there are hundreds of thousands more. For people to blithely say that this is rubbish do not give one ****e for the mental health of those who have no one.

    Thank you for being such a big person that you offered an argument for the assertion you made previously. I had no idea that would make one a bigger person, I thought it was normal to be able to make an argument...

    Thank you for that, even though I real really doubt the assertion that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have no friends or family and only get their chat in pubs. But exaggeration aside, I’ll assume your point is genuine, you have no family or friends, and you can’t get human contact any other way.

    Am I to assume you’ve tried other ways to get human contact? Like, what ways have you tried and failed to get human contact?

    I would say that most people can get human contact in lots of ways that don’t need a pub. How is it that your only way to get human contact is in the pub?


  • #7183
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    the rock29 wrote: »
    Pubs are for social interaction humans are soical creatures

    My martial arts class is also for social interaction. It's not essential though.
    fin12 wrote: »
    so where u going to meet people at night?

    You wanting to meet people at night isn't essential.

    It's pretty clear nobody has a convincing argument for pubs being essential. I see the normal crew liking posts but are being VERY quiet. Strange that!


  • #7184
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    My martial arts class is also for social interaction. It's not essential though.



    You wanting to meet people at night isn't essential.

    It's pretty clear nobody has a convincing argument for pubs being essential. I see the normal crew liking posts but are being VERY quiet. Strange that!

    Because u deem them non essential , you are not going to be open to any argument. Might aswell be talking to a brick wall.


  • #7185
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Thank you for being such a big person that you offered an argument for the assertion you made previously. I had no idea that would make one a bigger person, I thought it was normal to be able to make an argument...

    Thank you for that, even though I real really doubt the assertion that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have no friends or family and only get their chat in pubs. But exaggeration aside, I’ll assume your point is genuine, you have no family or friends, and you can’t get human contact any other way.

    Am I to assume you’ve tried other ways to get human contact? Like, what ways have you tried and failed to get human contact?

    I would say that most people can get human contact in lots of ways that don’t need a pub. How is it that your only way to get human contact is in the pub?

    Funny lots of people source human contact online but when it comes to meeting up, is usually done in a pub/ restaurant setting. We are talking about physical socializing here. Phone calls, zoom calls will never replace face to face meetings no matter how much society wants to ram technology down our throats.


  • #7186
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    fin12 wrote: »
    Because u deem them non essential , you are not going to be open to any argument. Might aswell be talking to a brick wall.

    I'm open to arguments. I'm asking for them, and I appreciate you putting one forward because others are lurking and liking posts without actually putting anything out there.

    However, your argument is not strong enough and, in fact, only barely qualifies are an argument.

    You wanting to meet people at night, during a pandemic where meeting people is detrimental, is not essential!


  • #7187
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I wouldn't go as far as to say Tenzor07 hates himself, but I do sense a persecution complex

    Mod

    Threadbanned


    Do not post in this thread again.


  • #7188
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    fin12 wrote: »
    Cause some people don’t have a home, also can’t have visitors for what ever reason. So ur hardly going to be hanging around a park late at night meeting up, most community centers / gaa club house are locked at night. Cafes close early, libabry close early. Cinema can’t talk in one. Restaurant might not be an option cause plenty of people can’t afford to eat out.

    If we’re starting from a subset of homeless people then were talking about a fairly small group. But are we also assuming these people have nobody to phone and chat with? Nobody they could go for a walk with? Anything to get through the next few months until the vaccine is rolled out sufficiently?


  • #7189
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    fin12 wrote: »
    Funny lots of people source human contact online but when it comes to meeting up, is usually done in a pub/ restaurant setting. We are talking about physical socializing here. Phone calls, zoom calls will never replace face to face meetings no matter how much society wants to ram technology down our throats.

    Online contact doesn’t have to replace physical contact in the long term, but it’s much better than nothing in the short term. And we are only talking a few months at this stage. The end really is in sight as the vaccines seem to work.

    I don’t know if technology is being rammed down our throats. Nobody is forcing me to use Boards. Is someone forcing you to post or are you doing so by choice?


  • #7190
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    the dream was so vivid i can remember the people in it and th drinks they were having and everything


  • #7191
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Online contact doesn’t have to replace physical contact in the long term, but it’s much better than nothing in the short term. And we are only talking a few months at this stage. The end really is in sight as the vaccines seem to work.

    I don’t know if technology is being rammed down our throats. Nobody is forcing me to use Boards. Is someone forcing you to post or are you doing so by choice?

    No I like using boards but it’s nothing compared to hanging out physically with people.

    Sorry I wouldn’t believe a thing this government say about timescales, I have myself geared for not being back to normal till 2022.


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  • #7192
    lcstress2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭lcstress2012


    TheRedDevil10 wrote: »
    Guidelines attached

    It says nothing about time limits, so how long can we stay or is it at discretion of the restaurant?


  • #7193
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    lcstress2012 wrote: »
    It says nothing about time limits, so how long can we stay or is it at discretion of the restaurant?

    If the restaurant is really busy you have 2hrs minus 15 minutes tidy up time , if it's quiet stay as long as you want.


  • #7194
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    mightyreds wrote: »
    If the restaurant is really busy you have 2hrs minus 15 minutes tidy up time , if it's quiet stay as long as you want.

    My local is opening Friday and isn’t imposing limits - their only rule is “be sound”.

    I’m off work Friday as I was meant to up North scattering my Dad’s ashes and they have severe restrictions at the minute.

    I’ll call in and while away a few hours with a book, a chat and swapping a few racing tips!


  • #7195
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I sense a persecution complex in your posts. Pubs are non-essential. There hasn't been a single worthwhile argument from any poster here to say they are. Old lads wanting a few pints does not make them essential.

    You seem to think that anyone disagreeing with you is "looking down on rural pubs". To be honest, I have no idea where you've got this from.

    Also, I'm not sure where you've got "Restaupubs" from but you're trying too hard. It's not gonna catch on my friend. Not catchy enough!

    Hairdressers - non essential.
    Florists - non essential.
    Nail and beauty salons - non essential.
    Penney’s - non essential.
    Gastropubs - non essential.
    Toy Shops - non essential.
    Soft Furnishing stores - non essential.
    Electrics stores eg Curry’s, DID etc - non essential.

    Loads of non-essential stuff is open. Non-essential means nothing.


  • #7196
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    weldoninhio wrote: »

    Loads of non-essential stuff is open. Non-essential means nothing.

    from another very similar thread, so I think is valid here (if you disagree please let me know why)
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    No one has mentioned nightclubs opening since the start of Covid. Yet bs artists like yourself drop them in every now and again as if people are pushing for them. No one expects a nightclub to open.
    What particular issue do you have with nightclubs? or issue you think others have?

    I imagine many have "mentioned them" maybe not in this thread, I am mentioning them now. So what is the issue? I already asked in this thread and was ignored (as I expected), probably will be again... Everybody should feel free to explain, I am especially interested in those who think pubs should be able to open with no seating requirement but think nightclubs should remain closed.


  • #7197
    vafankillar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    what's last order times for the new resrictions?


  • #7198
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    vafankillar wrote: »
    what's last order times for the new resrictions?

    My local is 10pm, not sure if that’s typical or demanded thought sorry.


  • #7199
    Drifter50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    Perhaps one of the mods need to look at the way a number of posters have taken this thread away from discussing pubs and their reopening to a sort of social discussion about interaction between adults

    For my tuppenceworth, nobody is forced to go to the pub to meet people and talk to them, the point is that it is easier. Its somewhat simpler to drop into the pub and have a quiet hour chatting to some people, watching some footie on the TV, whatever. I don`t want to be inviting people I would consider acquaintances not friends into my home. Also I have a family that call the Gardai on each other, report each other to the Revenue etc etc etc so I really don`t want to mix with them unless I absolutely have to at weddings funerals and so on..

    Back to the pubs and I really look forward to the traditional pubs being open again. I suppose I`m lucky the 3 pubs close to me while smaller in size all do food and will reopen while the next village a couple of miles away just have 4 traditional pubs, have been closed since March excepts for 2 weeks and now are becoming more and more unlikely to reopen. They are the publicans who we need to support.


  • #7200
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    If we’re starting from a subset of homeless people then were talking about a fairly small group. But are we also assuming these people have nobody to phone and chat with? Nobody they could go for a walk with? Anything to get through the next few months until the vaccine is rolled out sufficiently?

    As with so many posts on here it all boils down to one simple thing: "I'm alright Jack".

    Another person who likely is barely affected by the entire scenario but has decided to call into question the troubles of those who are.

    "Why don't they just pick up the phone and chat to somebody". "Why don't they just go for a walk with somebody". "Thats what I would do".

    Well, bully for you, with your family and your job and your home and your settled social circle. But it would do no harm to wrap your head around the idea that the number of people without those things are not a "fairly small group".


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  • #7201
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    rubadub wrote: »
    from another very similar thread, so I think is valid here (if you disagree please let me know why)

    What particular issue do you have with nightclubs? or issue you think others have?

    I imagine many have "mentioned them" maybe not in this thread, I am mentioning them now. So what is the issue? I already asked in this thread and was ignored (as I expected), probably will be again... Everybody should feel free to explain, I am especially interested in those who think pubs should be able to open with no seating requirement but think nightclubs should remain closed.

    Has anyone asked for a pub to be opened with no seating requirements?

    You go to a nightclub to meet, mingle and hopefully get a kiss/ride. You don't go to a nightclub to sit sedately and have a few drinks and a chat. I'd have no issue with late bars being opened either, once the restrictions remained in place. Not everyone works 9-5.


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