US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Tell me how · 29-11-2020 05:58AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That's not the point at all. Anyone with a titter of wit at this stage (obviously this excludes the likes of Rudey and Jenna Ellis) can see that Plan B is doomed to failure. The point I am making is not that it will succeed, but that it is still being played out and is being supported by the GOPpers in Congress (with very few exceptions), either by public support for it by some, or by silence from the rest of them. The Congressional GOP complicity is made exponentially worse when one sees the extent to which many Trump voters actually believe the BS that underpins Plan B, and will believe that the election was stolen from Trump (it wasn't) and that the Democrats perpetrated a major fraud (they didn't), for years to come. That, coupled with the ongoing grift that is robbing them blind through demands for donations to fund the legal 'actions', is setting the USA up for internal political chaos, and hatreds that will not just disappear when Trump leaves the White House. The already difficult landscape that is about to be inherited by the Biden/Harris Presidency is being poisoned more and more every day by treacherous undermining of its electoral system, its Government and its judiciary.

I wonder are GOP people operating under some broad strategy, or are they all working in clusters or of their own devices in determining whether or not to support Trump/Giuliani/Powell or a combination of them and others?

Politics in the US, in spite of the dominance of the Democrat and Republican Party is hard to decipher in terms of an overarching Party policy as opposed to the personal interests of dominant players within both parties. Understandable to a degree given the size and variation of the country but they are much less cohesive units than what we see in Ireland or in the UK for example.

You can only imagine what is going on in group chats and text messages of some of the key players. Whatever about Hunter Biden's laptop, the security and encryption on Mitch McConnell's or Lyndsey Graham's or Nancy Pelosi's cell phones mush be pretty robust. I imagine the market within some circles for the content of such devices would be pretty valuable.

Windmill100000 · 29-11-2020 09:21AM

Trump set it up from the off: staying the only way he can lose is if there is fraud. I mean, really? That was his safety net.

His supporters will hold onto this FOREVER and no amount of evidence to the contrary is going to change that.

Best thing anyone can do is ignore it. Dont give his supporters any credit by challenging them.

They will look even more stupid when no one listens to their cries and their argument. In time, will become weaker and weaker as a result.

ancapailldorcha · 29-11-2020 12:22PM

Mod: Linkdump deleted.

TomOnBoard · 29-11-2020 08:46PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I wonder are GOP people operating under some broad strategy, or are they all working in clusters or of their own devices in determining whether or not to support Trump/Giuliani/Powell or a combination of them and others?

Politics in the US, in spite of the dominance of the Democrat and Republican Party is hard to decipher in terms of an overarching Party policy as opposed to the personal interests of dominant players within both parties. Understandable to a degree given the size and variation of the country but they are much less cohesive units than what we see in Ireland or in the UK for example.

You can only imagine what is going on in group chats and text messages of some of the key players. Whatever about Hunter Biden's laptop, the security and encryption on Mitch McConnell's or Lyndsey Graham's or Nancy Pelosi's cell phones mush be pretty robust. I imagine the market within some circles for the content of such devices would be pretty valuable.

There is a great piece of reporting in the WaPo which deals with these points as it lays out the totally bat**** crazy shenannigans from various parts of Trump's 'well-oiled machine' over the 20+ days since the election.

It's worth a read on the WaPo website if you have a sub (or try incognito mode). Anyway, I've found a summary here:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/trump-endangered-americas-democracy-presidents-delusion-broken-down-in-brutal-wapo-analysis/

Edit: For anyone interested in getting in-depth reporting on the likely tumult over the next month or so in the US, the WaPo has a BlackFriday 1 month trial sub for $1. New York Times has a similar deal if you'd prefer not to give Bezos any more $$- its 2 bucks a month for a year, cancellable anytime.

Harry Palmr · 29-11-2020 11:55PM

Just a note to say I've be able to open that story twice without hindrance, maybe they will leave it open for a few days.

Carfacemandog · 30-11-2020 01:52PM

Wapo give a certain number of free articles a month. After that, you have to pay...

...or open links in incognito browser which stops it from noticing you have hit your free article limit.

01-12-2020 12:12AM

Arizona and Wisconsin certify for Biden.

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 09:51AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Arizona and Wisconsin certify for Biden.

At what stage do the rats jump the sinking ship and try to save themselves?

If the EC certify Biden will Trump give up on the law suits or will can he try to get the Supreme Court to overturn the EC?

He said yesterday the world was laughing at the US for Biden winning a fraud election.

He's completely out of touch with reality if he believes that's the reason the world is laughing at the US right now. :rolleyes:

Quin_Dub · 01-12-2020 10:11AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

At what stage do the rats jump the sinking ship and try to save themselves?

If the EC certify Biden will Trump give up on the law suits or will can he try to get the Supreme Court to overturn the EC?

He said yesterday the world was laughing at the US for Biden winning a fraud election.

He's completely out of touch with reality if he believes that's the reason the world is laughing at the US right now. :rolleyes:

Well, they are laughing at the US right now , but the laughter is directed at him and the GOP for enabling his utter delusion.

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 12:47PM

Trumps campaign lawyer saying Chris Krebs should be executed for stating the election was secure.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9003843/Trumps-campaign-lawyer-says-fired-cybersecurity-chief-Chris-Krebs-executed.html#comments

It's almost Simpsonsesque that Trump and his team can say virtually anything they want or tweet anything they want without legal repercussions.

This is weeks after a planned abduction on a governor and Fauci having to hire security for him and his family after attacks in the media from Trump and his people.

Quin_Dub · 01-12-2020 01:39PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Trumps campaign lawyer saying Chris Krebs should be executed for stating the election was secure.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9003843/Trumps-campaign-lawyer-says-fired-cybersecurity-chief-Chris-Krebs-executed.html#comments

It's almost Simpsonsesque that Trump and his team can say virtually anything they want or tweet anything they want without legal repercussions.

This is weeks after a planned abduction on a governor and Fauci having to hire security for him and his family after attacks in the media from Trump and his people.

Sidney Powell retweeted this..

A call for the use of the Insurrection Act followed by Military tribunals.

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Variously his "team have been calling for people to be shot, beheaded or summarily jailed and now they are calling for a Military take over and a suspension of Democratic process.

And yet with a few exceptions we have absolute silence from the elected GOP officials.

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 01:46PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sidney Powell retweeted this..

A call for the use of the Insurrection Act followed by Military tribunals.

Variously his "team have been calling for people to be shot, beheaded or summarily jailed and now they are calling for a Military take over and a suspension of Democratic process.

And yet with a few exceptions we have absolute silence from the elected GOP officials.

It says it all about Sidney Powell really when even the Trump team distanced themselves from her! :pac:

Brussels Sprout · 01-12-2020 02:56PM

A progressive organisation is targeting Trump voters in Georgia:

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

duploelabs · 01-12-2020 03:16PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

A progressive organisation is targeting Trump voters in Georgia:

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

Like the snake eating itself

Quin_Dub · 01-12-2020 03:17PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

A progressive organisation is targeting Trump voters in Georgia:

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

The Run-off elections were always going to be fairly close , but the absolute shambles that Trump is causing really puts the Senate at risk for the GOP.

It just proves what has long been clear to many , Trump does not care about the GOP , he cares about himself and only himself.

If blowing up Georgia makes him feel better , then that is what he will do regardless of the impact to anyone else.

serfboard · 01-12-2020 03:17PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

A progressive organisation is targeting Trump voters in Georgia

That's a very clever ad - splitting the GOP between Trumpists and everyone else. Given the "stab-in-the-back" mythology that Trumpists will be going on with now the message is - your messiah has been betrayed by your tribal elders, so now is your chance to punish those elders for their treachery.

listermint · 01-12-2020 04:50PM

serfboard wrote: »

That's a very clever ad - splitting the GOP between Trumpists and everyone else. Given the "stab-in-the-back" mythology that Trumpists will be going on with now the message is - your messiah has been betrayed by your tribal elders, so now is your chance to punish those elders for their treachery.

Get as many abstentions or spoilt votes with trump written on them as you can from Trump voters.

josip · 01-12-2020 05:05PM

listermint wrote: »

Get as many abstentions or spoilt votes with trump written on them as you can from Trump voters.

Are spoiled votes enumerated in the US?
If they were, that would be a motivation for Mr. T.

duploelabs · 01-12-2020 05:08PM

josip wrote: »

Are spoiled votes enumerated in the US?
If they were, that would be a motivation for Mr. T.

Two fingers at the GOP, and if they're quantifiable number, how many are loyal to trump and not the GOP

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 05:38PM

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of the 70 mill plus who voted for Trump the personality and who voted for him because they vote Republicans because there does seem to be break in the party there.

01-12-2020 05:56PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

At what stage do the rats jump the sinking ship and try to save themselves?

If the EC certify Biden will Trump give up on the law suits or will can he try to get the Supreme Court to overturn the EC?

He said yesterday the world was laughing at the US for Biden winning a fraud election.

He's completely out of touch with reality if he believes that's the reason the world is laughing at the US right now. :rolleyes:

If the EC vote as how the results have been certified he wouldn't have a case, imo, but open to correction. Personally I think he knows that getting the SC to rule in his favor is not going to happen.

But if he will try (most likely will), depends on how much of a personal threat he sees the various state investigations and loan repayments due to his banks that losing the presidency will expose him to, and how much he can financially squeeze out of his believers in the remaining time he's got before being turned out of the Whitehouse.

Also apart from throwing his toys out of the pram, the plan seems to be to do as much damage as possible until he is turned out.
Be that appointing fools to various positions in the Pentagon, to screwing over the GOP for their apparent failure to have him elected (he has apparently tweeted that there is no point voting republican) and if you wanted to go full on conspiracy theory, inciting a civil war.

I don't think the latter would happen, while it's easy for fools to write online that they are ready and waiting for his orders to take up arms in his cause, they wouldn't last five minutes against the coast guard never mind anyone else, but would make great candidates for the Darwin awards.

01-12-2020 06:00PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the breakdown of the 70 mill plus who voted for Trump the personality and who voted for him because they vote Republicans because there does seem to be break in the party there.

In Maine the military vote went mainly to Biden (>80% if memory serves me correctly).
Traditionally especially in the officer class, the vote would be republican.
I'm guessing calling people losers and blaming their families for giving you covid doesn't pay off, at least in Maine.

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 06:05PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

In Maine the military vote went mainly to Biden (>80% if memory serves me correctly).
Traditionally especially in the officer class, the vote would be republican.
I'm guessing calling people losers and blaming their families for giving you covid doesn't pay off, at least in Maine.

My thinking is more say was there 50 million Trump voters and 20 million Republican voters or vice versa because if Trump could pull that number on his personality alone then there is potential for him to go independent or set up his own political party with the family and continue living off donations that he'll no doubt use to pay off his loans!

Water John · 01-12-2020 06:35PM

Whatever number voted more for Trump or Republican, it shows that so many have weak character. Having to believe in a fraud and majorly flawed person.

Brian? · 01-12-2020 06:52PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

If the EC vote as how the results have been certified he wouldn't have a case, imo, but open to correction. Personally I think he knows that getting the SC to rule in his favor is not going to happen.

But if he will try (most likely will), depends on how much of a personal threat he sees the various state investigations and loan repayments due to his banks that losing the presidency will expose him to, and how much he can financially squeeze out of his believers in the remaining time he's got before being turned out of the Whitehouse.

Also apart from throwing his toys out of the pram, the plan seems to be to do as much damage as possible until he is turned out.
Be that appointing fools to various positions in the Pentagon, to screwing over the GOP for their apparent failure to have him elected (he has apparently tweeted that there is no point voting republican) and if you wanted to go full on conspiracy theory, inciting a civil war.

I don't think the latter would happen, while it's easy for fools to write online that they are ready and waiting for his orders to take up arms in his cause, they wouldn't last five minutes against the coast guard never mind anyone else, but would make great candidates for the Darwin awards.

Once the EC is done, he will jack all the nonsense in as he can't bleed his supporters for any more money.

Then will come the Trump 2024 exploratory committee that will rent massive amounts of spaces at Trump owned properties. He'll bleed his supporters for more money until 2023 and then not even run.

VinLieger · 01-12-2020 07:35PM

Brian? wrote: »

Then will come the Trump 2024 exploratory committee that will rent massive amounts of spaces at Trump owned properties. He'll bleed his supporters for more money until 2023 and then not even run.

And thus screwing whoever the 2024 Gop candidate is for donations as the base will be tapped completely.

Quin_Dub · 01-12-2020 07:47PM

Brian? wrote: »

Once the EC is done, he will jack all the nonsense in as he can't bleed his supporters for any more money.

Then will come the Trump 2024 exploratory committee that will rent massive amounts of spaces at Trump owned properties. He'll bleed his supporters for more money until 2023 and then not even run.

And just like he's done over the last 4 years , he'll use the "Campaign" funds to pay his legal bills as he fights off all the court cases that are stacked up waiting for him..

brooke 2 · 01-12-2020 08:44PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

A progressive organisation is targeting Trump voters in Georgia:

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

:D:D

brooke 2 · 01-12-2020 08:55PM

Brian? wrote: »

Once the EC is done, he will jack all the nonsense in as he can't bleed his supporters for any more money.

Then will come the Trump 2024 exploratory committee that will rent massive amounts of spaces at Trump owned properties. He'll bleed his supporters for more money until 2023 and then not even run.

Isn't all this presuming Letitia James won't succeed in indicting him for fraud in SDNY?

brooke 2 · 01-12-2020 09:02PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Sidney Powell retweeted this..

A call for the use of the Insurrection Act followed by Military tribunals.

Variously his "team have been calling for people to be shot, beheaded or summarily jailed and now they are calling for a Military take over and a suspension of Democratic process.

And yet with a few exceptions we have absolute silence from the elected GOP officials.

Sidney Powell needs to wake up.....retweeting this craziness with the date of the runoff printed as Jan. 6th, one day late!

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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